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Old 01-05-2013   #1
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Default [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Houston defeated Cincinnati, 19-13, an interesting set of numbers considering the Texans dominated every facet of this game except for punting. And in fairness, the guy from Cincy had way more practice.

First downs: Texans 24, Bengals 12

Total yards: Texans 420, Bengals 198

Time of possession: Texans 38:49, Bengals 21:11

This list goes on and on and on and includes Kubiak schooling Lewis in what amounted to a fight to be the tallest short person. Lewis okayed and watched as his offensive coordinator Jay Gruden inexplicably underused running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis and overused a screen play that worked exactly never. There was a misused timeout, a forgotten A.J. Green, a reliance on Jermaine Gresham and inability to adjust. And yet with under four minutes remaining, the Bengals were driving down the field for what possibly could have been the game-winning score.

Why this happened was inadvertently explained by Texans linebacker Bradie James when talking their defensive strategy.

"The biggest thing, well, a lot of us have been trying to talk about it — not giving up seven points. You see, when you give up seven points you don't have a chance," James said. "But when you keep a team to just kicking field goals, you keep 'em close and then you can pin your ears back."

James needs to deliver this speech to Kubiak.

To him or Texans owner Bob McNair or somebody, because the reverse is also true. Kubiak employs quite possibly the most conservative game plan in the NFL. If this was politics, he'd be labeled a wingnut and decried by Glenn Beck as having lost touch with mainstream values. The guy always looks to be in a state of panic about when he can get his kicker on the field. Heck, there was a moment Saturday when the Texans took a delay on fourth-and-short with their punter on the field. The idea of doing that with his offense probably never crossed his mind even though Arian Foster was lethal Saturday.

It is why Texans fans boo kicker Shayne Graham every time he takes the field. It is not personal. They are sick of seeing him every single time there is a close call in the red zone.

"I love our crowd but they are getting spoiled," Texans running back Arian Foster said. "They're booing, and we're OK. We're OK, man."

What is frustrating is the Texans could be a good team, at very least a competitive playoff team. As much as this pains me to say, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips has his side ballin'. He may be a cupcake as a head coach, but he's pretty good at coordinating. And J.J. Watt is just a freak of football nature.

Kubiak's not beating the New England Patriots Sunday in Foxboro if he's not willing to gamble, open his game plan up just a bit and play to win. We already saw that game, the Texans going up to Foxboro in their matching letter jackets and talk of Bulls on Parade and clear hearts, full eyes can't lose . . . and getting pummeled.

New England absolutely embarrassed Houston on Dec. 10, a 42-14 whipping that started a slide to end this season. Almost every Texans player downplayed that first meeting with the usual clichés about this being a different season, about short memories, about how this game will be closer.

"I don't think it was embarrassing. It just was a game and, on any given Sunday, if you don't show up, it can happen," James said. "New England did teach us a lot. They taught us you need to show up and bring the intensity to be a champion."

This perspective comes from being in his 10th season, of knowing NFL teams do not get infinite kicks at the can, of knowing NFL teams oftentimes have to do a little impossible if they want to win a Super Bowl.

"I'm not worried," McNair said when asked about playing New England again, which felt like the exact wrong thing to say.

He needs to worry because Tom Brady is not going to let the Texans off the mat if they keep constantly settling for field goals like the Bengals and QB Andy Dalton did. McNair needs to worry because Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has a firm grasp of how to best use his weapons, despite his critics. McNair needs to worry because Belichick is not going to Marvin Lewis this thing.

Belichick coaches with a big set of lower guts. And he rarely beats himself. And if Kubiak coaches like he did Saturday, the Texans do not stand a chance. *

And in a couple of years or next, the pink slip may be his and there will be little outrage.
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smh..... that your players and your owner attitude toward the ass kicking they've received from the patroits is "whatever, just another game". At this point I have a feeling a lot of players on this team don't even care.
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I don't totally disagree, but if Kubiak is going to take chances, Schaub better bring it. AJ streaking down the sideline is useless if Schaub underthrows to his beaten corner. The same goes for OD straight up the middle deep, etc. If you're talking championships and risk-taking, Kubiak's first big, long-term mistake was bringing in a starting QB that excels at 20 yard crossing patterns and sucks at the long-ball.

What he has done is get us division championships and brought us a long way from 2-14. I'm not sayin' it's all bad.
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I do think if you have RB's like we have and an OL that was playing like it was yesterday, you have to go on 4th and 1. If we play conservative against NE ... we lose.
4th and 2. If it's less than 2 yards, and your line doesn't suck balls like a jr. high team, you will make it most of the time. It's been studied.

Kubiak used to have a reputation for going for it on 4th down a lot. I wish he would get back to that. It worked then and we didn't have Foster, D. Brown, (we might've had our center, but he sucked way back then, LOL) etc.
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
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Keeping Brady in the sidelines,and pressing him,we have a chance!
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
The gameplan is fine as long as Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. aren't lighting up our D. Then, we get frustrated over the lack pf aggression. Schaub's arm/Kubiak's play-calling; whatever, it's frustrating that we so rarely come back from behind. Maybe one of the fricking refs would like to be our QB.
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
That game plan would've gotten us beat if Dalton can hit a wide open AJ Green.
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That game plan would've gotten us beat if Dalton can hit a wide open AJ Green.
I can tell you this: Tom Brady can hit a wide open anybody all day long, and if he don't, it's a penalty on your corner, HC, DC, OC, QB, and everybody not wearing a Patriots jersey in the stands.
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That game plan would've gotten us beat if Dalton can hit a wide open AJ Green.
Didnt see this till now ....


The gameplan wouldnt have been what got them beat - It would have been the mistakes that forced them to take those FG's instead of TD's (A dropped TD by AJ or a penalty on Brooks that moved them back from 1'st and goal to third and long) .... or the huge mistake that Schaub made in throwing a pick six when he had Walter wide open over the top.


Mistakes are what forced them to kick some of those FG's .... The wound would have been self inflicted.
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
We bash the gameplan because there are times when we struggle to move the ball and when we do eventually get into the red zone it's basically a LOCK that we're kicking a FG. We could waste all the time in the world but when we're kicking FGs and Brady is scoring TDs in 2 mins, we have NO shot.
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It's a start from playing awful against teams we should've beaten. A win is a win, but we can't be playing like this against the Pats.
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
Somewhere in that game plan you should consider scoring touchdowns, or is that something the players can't do?
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Somewhere in that game plan you should consider scoring touchdowns, or is that something the players can't do?
I'm sick & tired of Kubiak not writing that into his Denny's Menu.

"Score Touchdowns" should be on the fricken top. When we're in the red zone, that's the play he ought to call.

Matt Uh... what play we're going to run here coach?
Kubiak eeeeyyyyee don't know. Let's try this one here at the top.... Score Touchdown
Matt Ok.
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Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
No it doesn't. Brady is going to put up some scores. The Texans have to keep up with those scores. This isn't some low scoring offense they're playing. They'll be playing the highest scoring team in the league that raped every other team as far as offensive scoring goes. The Texans will have to keep up with that. Trying to play conservatively against a team like the Patriots is what is a recipe for disaster.
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Ugly win?

It wasn't the sexiest win, but it sure wasn't ugly. Any team in the playoffs would be thrilled with that game.

Schaub made one big mistake, and Andre dropped a tough but watchable ball. Houston took what they were given. You play your game plan and the flow of the game.

The Texans overcame a couple of critical mistakes, that's what good teams do, that's what they failed to do the last several weeks of the season.

The defense was on fire yesterday, so why take chances. Open up the play book a little more when you have to.

I just can't see how you can be missed off about yesterday's win. Was it a complete as whooping, no, but it's the damn playoffs the competition is a little stiffer. The red zone thing should be the only complaint, if you like complaining about a win.

Hopefully the team gets some healthy confidence and builds some momentum based on a damn good statiscal if not high score differential win.
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No it doesn't. Brady is going to put up some scores. The Texans have to keep up with those scores. This isn't some low scoring offense they're playing. They'll be playing the highest scoring team in the league that raped every other team as far as offensive scoring goes. The Texans will have to keep up with that. Trying to play conservatively against a team like the Patriots is what is a recipe for disaster.
I disagree. It's damn near impossible to outscore Brady in a shootout, especially in the playoffs. You have to run the ball, play good defense, and hope for a little luck. Here are the patriots scores in playoff and Super Bowl losses since Brady came along starting with their most recent loss and going backwards.

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Of course it would help to score TD's instead of FG's but I think it's going to be more on how our run game and defense play next Sunday.
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
I dont think it is so much the "gamke plan" that everyone dont like. It is what we do once our game plan gets blown out of whack. Hell even with our game plan, at their 20 4th and 1 we could take a chance sometimes. I hope the texans have some tricks up their sleves.

How often have you ever seen kubiak do a fake put, Forsett is in on punts alot do a direct snap to him and i am sure he can get you 2-3 yards if needed. But no when we line up for a pun it is a punt.

It is things like this that would help our team believe it or not. And not just from us getting a first down, but it would pump up or team IMO. Maybe give them a little more confidence.
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I just dont get why everyone bashes the gameplan .... its sound football.

Control the clock , limit mistakes .... Dont ask your players to do things they cant .... especially your QB.


Schaub excells at play action .... but without it , he's just average. Asking him to "throw it around the yard" is a recipe for disaster.


Keeping Brady on the sidelines and Schaub from making mistakes gives them a chance to win.
its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.
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its this type of mentality that mediocre people have.

Its not the game plan of a winner.

Its a game plan of a loser.

No wonder kubiak and schaub have lasted this long in houston without winning anything while still getting praised and contract extensions.

You're an enabler of mediocrity.
Get the hell out of here. Honestly, I'm tired of internet warriors lecturing other, more successful people about winning and excellence while offering *no substance*. What's your "game plan of a winner?" This is a football board. Seriously, what strategy beats the New England Patriots? You offer nothing but complaints and an unearned superiority complex. Here's a giant middle finger for you.
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