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Old 01-05-2013   #1
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Default What has happened with Tate?

Dude 's been healthy for weeks but kubiak has been giving him limited touches and even when he does get his touches, he's looked bad. I'm talking missing holes and cutback lanes, not able to turn the corner like he did last year...he just looks awful.
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Default Re: What has happened with Tate?

I have been wondering the same thing? Is it because he cannot get into rythm because he doesn't get enough carries?

Can we get a 2nd round pick for him? What a about a first?
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I have been wondering the same thing? Is it because he cannot get into rythm because he doesn't get enough carries?

Can we get a 2nd round pick for him? What a about a first?
no one will take him that high...myabe 3rd or 4th
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I have been wondering the same thing? Is it because he cannot get into rythm because he doesn't get enough carries?

Can we get a 2nd round pick for him? What a about a first?
I don't think we would get anything better than a 5th round pick for him. He's been hurt two out of three years and any trade value he had has plunged this season.
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Default Re: What has happened with Tate?

Hmmm i think they are not playing him much so he is cheaper to resign maybe ???

I dunno really i think its cause he got hurt and then we started to struggle and Kubiak problably is more confident in Foster to make game changing plays that tate.
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Default Re: What has happened with Tate?

Resign him. The guy can play. Don't know what is happening as of lately. Maybe he has lost confidence, but I haven't seen him look as bad as others.

I hate the way that Kubiak has ran Foster this season though. We had Forsett healthy for most of the season and he's a good change of pace back. Foster is going to be done after two more seasons possibly. I think we need to go towards a committee approach more next season.
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Dude 's been healthy for weeks but kubiak has been giving him limited touches and even when he does get his touches, he's looked bad. I'm talking missing holes and cutback lanes, not able to turn the corner like he did last year...he just looks awful.
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Default Re: What has happened with Tate?

Is he really missing lanes, or is he just not superhuman Foster? I saw Foster makes some pretty ridiculous moves to finally find a lane by pretty much pulling it outta his @$$ yesterday. Tate is good, but he just can't move like THAT. I don't really think the run-blocking was THAT great yesterday. It was good, but not great on the left side, and, IMO, sub-par on the right side.

Granted, that is some kinda D-Line we had to run against...
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Resign him.
Tate is signed through 2013.

Whether it's injuries or whatever, Tate has sucked this season. He never showed the explosiveness from 2011. Plus, Tate doesn't give you anything as a receiver or a blocker. If Tate turns it around in 2013, I doubt the Texans could afford to keep him. If he doesn't, why bother re-signing him? Next year will likely be Tate's last as a Texan either way.
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Default Re: What has happened with Tate?

I think Tate needs more carries to get into the flow of the game. Coming in for 1 play every 8 or 9 plays (guessing) is not going to do it.
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Is he really missing lanes, or is he just not superhuman Foster? I saw Foster makes some pretty ridiculous moves to finally find a lane by pretty much pulling it outta his @$$ yesterday. Tate is good, but he just can't move like THAT. I don't really think the run-blocking was THAT great yesterday. It was good, but not great on the left side, and, IMO, sub-par on the right side.

Granted, that is some kinda D-Line we had to run against...
No he's missing lanes...his vision is just terrible...
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No he's missing lanes...his vision is just terrible...
Alright, well maybe I'll see it when I rewatch the game tomorrow or something. That happens sometimes.
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Default Re: What has happened with Tate?

Tate has not had enough touches to get with the program, and this O-Line is making it a little harder on our RBs than last year's line. Last year's line played better as a unit -- T/G unit, G/C unit.

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No he's missing lanes...his vision is just terrible...
His vision isn't nearly as good as fosters...no ones is. But this season the holes are smaller and evaporate faster. Foster can compensate for it way better because of his vision. I love that tate runs angry, it's fun to watch. He's not nearly as explosive as we've seen in the past. Our line isnt getting to the second level and forcing defensive backs to make plays against the run....and tate eats defensive backs for lunch...or did.
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No he's missing lanes...his vision is just terrible...

It's been better but then last year the blocking was better too. The lanes were bigger and maybe a few times he "guessed right". Tate is I think a pretty good back but he's not at his best here. Behind big hogs just straight up powering their way down the field he'd be a money in the bank. One of those guys who consistently pounds the rock for 4+ yards a tote all the way down the field.

Until he got hurt. Again. He runs like a monster but you're right, he doesn't have the vision to really create much and on top of that he doesn't look to have a durability that a true "thumper" really needs.
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Nothing wrong with Tate. Considering he's coming in cold and having to adjust to on field game speed he still avg the same yards per carry as Foster.

There is a thread here entitled "What WTF happen to Foster?" Has anybody forgotten that? That's how inconsistent our run blocking has been. A good game against Cinci and another against the1st Colts game has made that thread go into hibernation. It'll only take one bad game from Foster to awaken that thread back to life.

You folks are unbelievable in your assessment of a players abilities. There are 2 thing Tate can do better than Foster ;exploding through arm tackle and not slipping on cuts. That's a great attributes to have and should not be ignored. Give this man 10 carries in a game and we'll truly see how much substance this thread has. But to judge a player when he's getting 2 attempt per game is grossly unfair.

If Foster gets injured in the week and Tate gets the start I would not lose sleep over that fact.
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Nothing wrong with Tate. Considering he's coming in cold and having to adjust to on field game speed he still avg the same yards per carry as Foster.

There is a thread here entitled "What WTF happen to Foster?" Has anybody forgotten that? That's how inconsistent our run blocking has been. A good game against Cinci and another against the1st Colts game has made that thread go into hibernation. It'll only take one bad game from Foster to awaken that thread back to life.

You folks are unbelievable in your assessment of a players abilities. There are 2 thing Tate can do better than Foster ;exploding through arm tackle and not slipping on cuts. That's a great attributes to have and should not be ignored. Give this man 10 carries in a game and we'll truly see how much substance this thread has. But to judge a player when he's getting 2 attempt per game is grossly unfair.

If Foster gets injured in the week and Tate gets the start I would not lose sleep over that fact.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with Tate.

He's only been on the Injury Report with "toe (initial)," "toe," "foot," "hamstring (most common compensatory injury to a turf toe)," "hamstring," "hamstring," "hamstring," "hamstring," "hamstring," "foot/hamstring," "foot/hamstring," "hamstring," .......now back to "foot" all season long since the 5th game.

Just like George and Best, exemplary RBs, ever since their initial turf toe, they were continuously dealing with toe, foot and hamstring problems until they retired. I hope that is not the case with Tate. But this year his toe underlies his lack of performance and has affected his ability to remain on the field.
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Of course, there's nothing wrong with Tate.

He's only been on the Injury Report with "toe (initial)," "toe," "foot," "hamstring (most common compensatory injury to a turf toe)," "hamstring," "hamstring," "hamstring," "hamstring," "hamstring," "foot/hamstring," "foot/hamstring," "hamstring," .......now back to "foot" all season long since the 5th game.

Just like George and Best, exemplary RBs, ever since their initial turf toe, they were continuously dealing with toe, foot and hamstring problems until they retired. I hope that is not the case with Tate. But this year his toe underlies his lack of performance and has affected his ability to remain on the field.

Please do not use logic on this forum, it MUST be his vision and nothing you say will change my mind
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Foster said it himself, "I feel better and stronger as a runner the more carries into a game." How do you think effective Foster or any RB would be with just 2 or 3 carries per game?

No one knew how good Foster would be until Kubiak name him starter late in the '09 season when our playoffs hope was gone and Slaton became garbage. It's almost blind luck that Foster became who he is now.
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