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Old 12-31-2012   #1
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After watching the last few games I can't help but think we need some early quality O-line help in the draft and quite possibly 2 guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I'm looking at some good OG's and good quality guys that can play OT/OG. I'm looking at Dallas Thomas, Gabe Jackson, Alvin Bailey, Kyle Long, Oday Aboushi, Xavier Nixon, possibly DJ Fluker, Lane Johnson, etc... A 4th round rookie, Jones, and 7th round virtual rookie, Newton, aren't getting it done on the right side and Wade Smith has been unimpressive to me this season regardless of his pro bowl nomination. If you had to pick 2 guys that will go in the 2nd or 3rd rounds that you think would fit the Texans, who you got, what round, and why? If the O-line doesn't get fixed then the running game sucks, passing game sucks, and your QB possibly gets hurt. I think it's past time to sink some quality picks into the O-line.
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I'm on board - we need to improve the OL in the worst way, through the draft and FA.
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Gotta ask yourself does Matt Schaub need his entire offensive line to be Pro Bowlers? If so he is probably the problem, given the fact he also has a Pro Bowl RB.

Then ask yourself how does Joe Marciano still have a job? Another kick return for a TD against Texan special teams. Unacceptable. Special teams are a collection of depth players, meaning either depth is a problem or its simply a case of poor coaching.

WR/TE position not including Andre, have no to little run after the catch ability. Clearly Texans lack athletic & playmaking ability across the board.

The loss of Cushing cannot be overstated, cause this in combination of losing Brice McCain (clearly Texan best nickle cover corner) that has led demise of once stout Texan D.

I'm convinced McCain will be resigned, Quin I'm not so sure? I actually think Texans have a chance to upgrade SS position & let Glover walk & draft Texas SS Kenny Vaccaro.

So given other needs, not withstanding my personal favorite Kawaan Short, there are too many other holes to focus solely on OL. Washington uses the same system, but has a mobile QB. Middle round picks generally are pretty rich investments for their style of player.
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It's not the O-line. It's not the WR's. It's the goddam coach and QB.

There is not an O-line out there that doesn't give up sacks/pressure during the course of a game.

And Brooks, Jones and even Newton are all still young players. Really young. Texans aren't giving up on all those guys this early. Maybe take an OT higher in the draft but we are not about to draft a bunch of WR's and OL...Won't even matter with Schaub at QB...
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It's not the O-line. It's not the WR's. It's the goddam coach and QB.
The right side of the line could stand to be upgraded. The WRs after AJ could stand to be upgraded. But I agree- Kubiak/Schaub is the biggest problem.

Problem is, I dont know who to hire/draft.
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The right side of the line could stand to be upgraded. The WRs after AJ could stand to be upgraded. But I agree- Kubiak/Schaub is the biggest problem.

Problem is, I dont know who to hire/draft.
Yeah the Right side is not great...But if you look at teams around the league, no one has this super solid impenetrable OL. Everyone's OL gives up pressure and sacks. Look at people's WR's corps...There are a handful of teams (maybe not that many) with two top flight WR's and bunch of other good players behind them, a probowl RB AND a probowl TE with a good TE behind him...and oh yeah...a FB that can catch like a mofo too...

Man the Weapons are there if you have a QB that can dissect a defense.

It's just with the QB and coach the mistakes are magnified because when we give up a sack and a couple of pressures during the game we know we aren't going to get many more chances. A WR drops a pass and they are the worst ever because that was our one shining moment.

All QB's get hit and knocked on their ass during the course of the game. All lines give up sacks. Why do we expect our guy to remain completely clean during the course of a game...

And I'm not directing my post at you...BTW..just using your post as a spring board.
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The right side of the line could stand to be upgraded. The WRs after AJ could stand to be upgraded. But I agree- Kubiak/Schaub is the biggest problem.

Problem is, I dont know who to hire/draft.
This is the problem the Three Amigos had in discussing replacing Schaub last two seasons. Who do you get? None of the draftees impess me. I am ready to allow Yates to start and see what he can do. Won't happen but he would be my starter 2013 until he flubs.
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It's not the O-line. It's not the WR's. It's the goddam coach and QB.

There is not an O-line out there that doesn't give up sacks/pressure during the course of a game.

And Brooks, Jones and even Newton are all still young players. Really young. Texans aren't giving up on all those guys this early. Maybe take an OT higher in the draft but we are not about to draft a bunch of WR's and OL...Won't even matter with Schaub at QB...
How on earth can you just absolve the right side of the o-line? Especially when everyone and their freaking dog knew that the right side of the line was potentially going to be one of the problem areas they were going to have coming into the season? They went from 1 of the best o-lines in the league to average at best.

Of course there isn't an o-line out there that doesn't give up sacks & TFL's but the fact remains that we can't run the ball like we've been able to in YEARS past & the sacks they're giving up don't even give the qb a chance to complete a 5 step drop.... our offense as a whole has been pretty much shut down.

Explain how schaub's ****ty play is the cause of why we can't convert a 3rd and 2 power run play with 1 of the best backs in the league? Explain why we can't convert a TD an inch out from the goalline with another 1000 yd back from last year? Schaub has next to nothing to do with those instances man.
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How on earth can you just absolve the right side of the o-line? Especially when everyone and their freaking dog knew that the right side of the line was potentially going to be one of the problem areas they were going to have coming into the season? They went from 1 of the best o-lines in the league to average at best.

Of course there isn't an o-line out there that doesn't give up sacks & TFL's but the fact remains that we can't run the ball like we've been able to in YEARS past & the sacks they're giving up don't even give the qb a chance to complete a 5 step drop.... our offense as a whole has been pretty much shut down.
Maybe we are watching different games. Arian has not played well this year. He has had some ok moments, but there have been big plays available that Arian hit in past seasons whereas he tripped on a marshmallow this year. Tate has been a non factor this year and that change of pace helped this team out a lot.



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Explain how schaub's ****ty play is the cause of why we can't convert a 3rd and 2 power run play with 1 of the best backs in the league? Explain why we can't convert a TD an inch out from the goalline with another 1000 yd back from last year? Schaub has next to nothing to do with those instances man.

I'll put it to you like this: when you are playing a team with a good QB that mixes up it's playcalling you don't sell out against the run because you are scared that QB is going to burn you if you do.

Also, we have only had 1 o r 2 good years of RZ and short yardage offense. This is not new.

You're rewritting history now. Do you not remember all the talk about how this scheme wasn't good for short yardage and red zone? We had one good Red Zone year with Arian and Leach.

But man, you shouldn't need them. Teams don't fear the QB, so they load up on the run. They aren't fooled by the play calling, so they load up on the run.
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After watching the last few games I can't help but think we need some early quality O-line help in the draft and quite possibly 2 guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I'm looking at some good OG's and good quality guys that can play OT/OG. I'm looking at Dallas Thomas, Gabe Jackson, Alvin Bailey, Kyle Long, Oday Aboushi, Xavier Nixon, possibly DJ Fluker, Lane Johnson, etc... A 4th round rookie, Jones, and 7th round virtual rookie, Newton, aren't getting it done on the right side and Wade Smith has been unimpressive to me this season regardless of his pro bowl nomination. If you had to pick 2 guys that will go in the 2nd or 3rd rounds that you think would fit the Texans, who you got, what round, and why? If the O-line doesn't get fixed then the running game sucks, passing game sucks, and your QB possibly gets hurt. I think it's past time to sink some quality picks into the O-line.
The right side is young and only going to get better. I have no doubt that's how Kubes and co feel. We may take a flyer in the mid to late rounds on a OL if one we really like is available. Some good names you got there although Fluker got knocked of my list earlier this year. Just don't see him as a fit here.

I really like Cyril Richardson (#68, 6-4, 335) out of Baylor. Local product that hasn't got a lot of national attention but has played really well for the last two years. Very mobile and athletic for a guy his size. If you want a bigger guy that fits this offense I'd go with him over Fluker especially for the price.
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The right side is young and only going to get better. I have no doubt that's how Kubes and co feel. We may take a flyer in the mid to late rounds on a OL if one we really like is available. Some good names you got there although Fluker got knocked of my list earlier this year. Just don't see him as a fit here.

I really like Cyril Richardson (#68, 6-4, 335) out of Baylor. Local product that hasn't got a lot of national attention but has played really well for the last two years. Very mobile and athletic for a guy his size. If you want a bigger guy that fits this offense I'd go with him over Fluker especially for the price.
Just as an FYI, if I took Fluker in the draft I'd move him inside to OG. He's a bit slow at OT for the NFL but would most likely make a great OG for our system. I should have clarified that in my original post, and I think several of the guys I listed can play both OT and OG.
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