Ed Reed Suspended

[HOU-TEX]

Geez! Thoughts?

Safety ED REED of the Baltimore Ravens has been suspended without pay for one game for repeated violations of the rule prohibiting hits to the head and neck area of defenseless players.

http://nflcommunications.com/2012/11...-safety-rules/

[Texn4life]

Don't agree with it at all. Although we need the Ravens to lose some games it seems like they're inconsistent with how they dish out punishment.

[welsh texan]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

Don't agree with it at all. Although we need the Ravens to lose some games it seems like they're inconsistent with how they dish out punishment.

Agreed and also would prefer to see them lose games with their best players playing rather than through some totting up suspension too.

How long do we think Ed Reed has left? With him not the force he used to be and Pollard can e a liability in coverage too, perilously close to s being a position of weakness for the ravens

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

Don't agree with it at all. Although we need the Ravens to lose some games it seems like they're inconsistent with how they dish out punishment.

I agree that they are being inconsistent & that's really the only thing I would ask them to change about how they do this.

I was listening to Mike & Mike in the morning on the way to work & they were astounded & totally against the fines, suspensions, and everything but the flag & cost of the penalty.

They didn't blame the refs, they said the refs are simply doing what the NFL has mandated they do. My point, is what else can the NFL do? If they've mandated that these hits will draw the flag, how can they not fine the players & how can they not increase the punishment for repeat offenders?

They are doing this, because they are being sued by former players. In the future, what would be their defense?

Prosecutor:So you knew these hits cause head injuries
NFL: Well, we didn't "know" but evidence strongly suggested
Prosecutor: But you mandated the officials throw the flag
NFL: Well, player safety is very important to us, so if there is a possibility...
Prosecutor: & we know these fines don't deter players... look what Chad Johnson said on such & such a day

If we don't think these hits lead to the kind of damage the NFL is being sued for, then "we" need to get on the former players for suing the NFL.

I don't necessarily believe that is the right course of action. I'm just saying the NFL is in between a rock & a hard place. They're not doing this because they can't find anything better to do. They're doing it to cover their butts.

In a sport as violent as the NFL is, they have to draw the line somewhere & above the shoulders on a defenseless player makes sense. Maybe they need to refine how they enforce it, but that's what we are seeing, in real time.

Hopefully sooner than later, they'll get it figured out. But right now, I can't see what else they can do.

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I agree that they are being inconsistent & that's really the only thing I would ask them to change about how they do this.

I was listening to Mike & Mike in the morning on the way to work & they were astounded & totally against the fines, suspensions, and everything but the flag & cost of the penalty.

They didn't blame the refs, they said the refs are simply doing what the NFL has mandated they do. My point, is what else can the NFL do? If they've mandated that these hits will draw the flag, how can they not fine the players & how can they not increase the punishment for repeat offenders?

They are doing this, because they are being sued by former players. In the future, what would be their defense?

Prosecutor:So you knew these hits cause head injuries
NFL: Well, we didn't "know" but evidence strongly suggested
Prosecutor: But you mandated the officials throw the flag
NFL: Well, player safety is very important to us, so if there is a possibility...
Prosecutor: & we know these fines don't deter players... look what Chad Johnson said on such & such a day

If we don't think these hits lead to the kind of damage the NFL is being sued for, then "we" need to get on the former players for suing the NFL.

I don't necessarily believe that is the right course of action. I'm just saying the NFL is in between a rock & a hard place. They're not doing this because they can't find anything better to do. They're doing it to cover their butts.

In a sport as violent as the NFL is, they have to draw the line somewhere & above the shoulders on a defenseless player makes sense. Maybe they need to refine how they enforce it, but that's what we are seeing, in real time.

Hopefully sooner than later, they'll get it figured out. But right now, I can't see what else they can do.

I agree completely. I don't like the fines and suspensions but this is all about the NFL mitigating future liability payments in court.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

Don't agree with it at all. Although we need the Ravens to lose some games it seems like they're inconsistent with how they dish out punishment.

Do you happen to see the recent hit he was flagged for? It's a joke, man. The WR catches the ball and right when he turns up field to run Reed hits him as he finishes turning. So, imo, the WR turns into Reed's hit. I don't understand how the NFL can think these players can change their hitting angle in a nano second.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Do you happen to see the recent hit he was flagged for? It's a joke, man. The WR catches the ball and right when he turns up field to run Reed hits him as he finishes turning. So, imo, the WR turns into Reed's hit. I don't understand how the NFL can think these players can change their hitting angle in a nano second.

This^^^^ It is a joke.

[Playoffs]

Dangerous road the commish is going down, here. Reed didn't look to have the intent to go helmet to helmet. Ravens got a 15 yard penalty. Fine him and move on.

[Say Watt]

This is getting out of control. I said it in the Dobbins thread, and I'll say it again. Goodell is an arrogant, POS, douche.

[Tailgate]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Do you happen to see the recent hit he was flagged for? It's a joke, man. The WR catches the ball and right when he turns up field to run Reed hits him as he finishes turning. So, imo, the WR turns into Reed's hit. I don't understand how the NFL can think these players can change their hitting angle in a nano second.

As Dilfer was saying on SC, it almost feels as if lawyers are running the show now.

[Dread-Head]

Times like now I MISS Hines Ward. The Steeler/Ravens game without him, Roethlissburger, Mendenhall, Lewis and Polamalu just wasn't the same. Hines used to PUNISH that muff-hugga. The Ravens and Steelers hate each other...and that game is so epic BECAUSE of all the cheap shots on both sides.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

The Ravens and Steelers hate each other...and that game is so epic BECAUSE of all the cheap shots on both sides.

Just don't hit them in the head, that's all they're saying. Hit the guy, hit him hard. Knock him off his feet, knock a lung out, break his lis franc.

Just don't hit him in the head.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

If the NFL is serious about player safety, they have to start suspending people. I have no idea if the Reed hit warranted even a penalty (from the sounds of it, it did not).

What the rule should be can be debated but the hit was a clear violation of the current rule. The other thing which is indisputable is Reed is a repeat offender - this isn't even a 2nd or 3rd offense.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

What the rule should be can be debated but the hit was a clear violation of the current rule. The other thing which is indisputable is Reed is a repeat offender - this isn't even a 2nd or 3rd offense.

I think they said it's his third in 3 years. That's where I think it gets sketchy. If it was 3 times in 2 years, or 5 times in 4 years, I wouldn't have an issue at all.

I just find it hard to believe that Ed Reed is the first guy to have three of those hits in 3 years.

He may be.... I just don't think he's that kind of player to where he'd be the first one with that kind of a spread.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

I think they said it's his third in 3 years.

That is correct - one in 2010 and then this is his 2nd this year.

Sounds like his not attempting to wrap up was also part of their consideration - from PFT.com NFL VP Ray Anderson:

“We want him to hit below the head and neck area,” Anderson said. “We’d like to see him use his shoulder. We’d like to see him wrap up in a more traditional technique. But we absolutely do not want to see head to head, shoulder, forearm to head or neck area, no real attempt to wrap, and almost going missile-like up high. We cannot have those in the game any longer.”

[Rey]

I've lost a little interest in the NFL as a whole. Still love football, but I just disagree with some of the calls and penalties they dole out. I don't think Dobbins should have been flagged nor fined and I don't believe Reed should have been either.

Take out the egregious stupid head hunting stuff. That's fine, but this borderline stuff should be left a lone.

It's football. Guys will get injured. Players are going to get concussions. Even with the amped up rules it's still happening. The only thing is that now you have a bunch of berderline BS stuff being called making the game less enjoyable IMO. Guys should be thinking about making good, clean hard hits...Not about how they might need to ease up or aim super low or not even hit hard because they don't want to get fined....

The game moves too fast for that. Saw a lot of talk about how Dobbins should have pulled up or some junk...Cutler is running towards him, Dobbins towards him...Two big fast guys running towards each other in open space is going to lead to a hard impact...Dobbins eases up there and it's possible Cutler pump fakes him and runs right past him.

Taking the aggression out of football is taking out a big element of the game.

Again, take the dirty purposeful head hunting out. That's fine. But penalizing guys who are making incidental contact because they didn't go way out of their way to avoid contact is bad for the game IMO.

[gtexan02]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

What the rule should be can be debated but the hit was a clear violation of the current rule. The other thing which is indisputable is Reed is a repeat offender - this isn't even a 2nd or 3rd offense.

Simple as that then. Play by the rules or don't play. The NFL, if it wants to take player safety seriously, has got to start suspending people like Ed Reed. Does it change the game for the better or the worse? Thats certainly debatable. But the violation and the punishment don't sound like they are debatable

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Then they come back years later & sue the NFL.

Out of all the guys that have played NFL football how many have sued?

It's overblown IMO and i think it has more to do with appearances and public appeal. No one likes seeing guys carted off with serious injuries.

The NFL is trying to avoid that image IMO because it's bad for business. The thing is, they have to find a happy medium. Enough violence but not to much to where the sport becomes grotesque and hard to watch.

They are softening the game up which I don't have an issue with. Do what you can to eliminate blatant head hunting and protect defenseless players.

But some of this stuff is going too far and it takes away from the sport IMO.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Rey

Out of all the guys that have played NFL football how many have sued?

SN concussion report: NFL could lose billions in player lawsuits

How many cases—and what kind—have been filed against the NFL, and how many players are we talking about?

As of mid-August, there were 135 cases with 3,402 former players, according to The Washington Times.

LINK

This was as of a few months ago - I don't think the number's gotten smaller.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

LINK

This was as of a few months ago - I don't think the number's gotten smaller.

That's not a lot of players relatively speaking. And some of those players are bankrupt so that might have something to do with their motives...