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Old 11-12-2012   #1
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This is an article I found as a link on Steph's Chron blog. I found it interesting and historically spot on from what I recall about the times then...

What can we learn from Gary Kubiak’s career in Houston?

Gary Kubiak doesn’t have a personality like a Ryan or a Harbaugh. He hasn’t been profiled to death like Andy Reid or Norv Turner. He doesn’t have the rings of Mike Tomlin or Bill Belichick. If not for the simple fact that he’s been in Houston forever, I’m not sure if most NFL fans could even name the head coach of the Texans. But his coaching career has been a fascinating one that leaves me with more questions than answers.
In January 2011, I wrote that Kubiak and Jack Del Rio were given incredibly long leashes in the AFC South. From 1970 to 2010, only four head coaches had (a) finished with a .500 or worse record in four out of five seasons with the same team, (b) finished with a .500 or worse record in the fifth season, and (c) were retained to coach for a sixth season. The four head coaches — Marvin Lewis, Dan Reeves, Bart Starr, and John McKay — all had extenuating circumstances for their failures, which differentiated them from Del Rio and Kubiak, who were about to become the fifth and sixth such coaches.

Things have changed dramatically in 22 months. The Jaguars have changed owners, head coaches, and quarterbacks, and likely will have a new general manager soon, too. Meanwhile, the Texans still have the same four men — Bob McNair, Rick Smith, Kubiak and Matt Schaub — in the four most prominent roles in the organization. Houston’s one big move, hiring Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator, has worked perfectly. Phillips has turned a dreadful Houston defense into one of the best units in the league.

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Thank you for the bit you posted, though.
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Generally, I like Steph Stradley's blog. But, when it comes to Gary Kubiak, I can't read her. She loves the guy, will defend him through ANYTHING, and is not necessarily impartial. Other than that, she's great. But when it comes to Kubiak, she has a massive blind spot.


As a friend messaged me last night: "Kubiak should write Wade checks, because if it wasn't for him, Kubiak would have been fired two years ago."

Amen.
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As a friend messaged me last night: "Kubiak should write Wade checks, because if it wasn't for him, Kubiak would have been fired two years ago."
Yeah, I still don't agree with that.

We've beaten several "good defenses"

This is a team game. Defense doesn't win on it's own. Last night we beat a top 5 NFL defense in their house. It wasn't because our defense played better than theirs, it was because our offense played better than theirs. Most people thought special teams was going to decide this game & they were a non-factor.

We beat the Steelers last year. The Steelers who finished with the best defense in the league.

Last year, the NYJ, Jacksonville Jags, Cincinnati Bengals, Philladelphia Eagles, Seattle Seahawks, & Cleveland Browns had top 10 defenses. None of those teams were in the class of the Houston Texans.

& it is widely believed (meaning outside of Houston Texas) that the absence of an offensive player (Matt Schaub) hurt our chances of a Super Bowl appearance last year more than any thing else.

No doubt about it, without Wade nothing we've seen in the last two years would have been possible (& maybe that's what you are saying) but without an offense, we're the Jags or the Browns.
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Totally agreed. They both deserve a ****load of credit.
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What do you mean you found a good article on her blog? All her articles are good.

Even though she and Lance Zeirlein are the only reasons to go to the Chronicle, they are very good reasons.
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Generally, I like Steph Stradley's blog. But, when it comes to Gary Kubiak, I can't read her. She loves the guy, will defend him through ANYTHING, and is not necessarily impartial. Other than that, she's great. But when it comes to Kubiak, she has a massive blind spot.


As a friend messaged me last night: "Kubiak should write Wade checks, because if it wasn't for him, Kubiak would have been fired two years ago."

Amen.
Eh. All coaches and players have strengths and weaknesses. When everybody was talking just about Kubiak's weaknesses, nobody was talking about his strengths. So it might seem like I'm being partial, but really I'm trying to bring balance to the discussion.

When everybody was talking about firing Kubiak two seasons ago, he had the 2nd most efficient offense in the league. It's actually hard to win 6 games/be competitive in more when you have the worst defense in the league.

Was it Kubiak's desire to go into the 2010 season with an entirely inexperienced secondary? Don't know. But it is pretty easy to say that the Texans would have a much better team if they got better coaching on the defensive side of the ball.

Ultimately, if I thought the Texans would have had a better shot at winning faster if Kubiak was fired in 2010, I would have advocated for it. I've advocated for various firings in the past. But for me, at the time, I didn't think that was worth doing, especially when the rumor was that Rick Smith was going to stay and Kubiak was going to get fired. That rumor made not one lick of sense to me.

In any event, I was right, you were wrong. Neener neener. You can call that a blind spot, but I call it scoreboard.

(But thanks for the kind words on non-Kubiak topics. )
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(But thanks for the kind words on non-Kubiak topics. )
Speaking of non-Kubiak topics, what's your lawyer brain say about Hartmann's law suit?
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I found myself in agreement with this comment posted after the interview/article:

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Richie November 12, 2012 at 7:52 pm

I love that Wade Phillips’ twitter handle is @sonofbum.

I am not following the Houston situation closely, but I see one particular relevant trend: when Wade Phillips takes over as HC/DC, the teams’ defense improves every time – many times by a significant amount.

Here are the Defensive SRS improvements between year 1 of Wade Phillips and the year before he arrived:

Houston – 6.9 points (took a negative DSRS and made it positive)
Dallas – 3.0 points (neg to pos)
San Diego – 9.2 points (neg to pos)
Atlanta – 3.5 (neg to pos)
Buffalo – 1.4 (took a negative DSRS, and improved it, but it was still negative)
Denver – 9.1 (neg to pos)
Philadelphia – 0.1 (the only time he took over a positive DSRS team, and it improved by a tiny bit)
New Orleans – 7.1 (neg to pos)

I don’t see any reason to think that Gary Kubiak suddenly became a better coach. I think he added one of the best defensive coordinators of all time. I’m not saying that Kubiak is a bad coach, I’m just saying he probably hasn’t changed much.
Wade is certainly one of the best defensive coordinators of our time. What he has done in Houston is nothing short of phenomenal.
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Great read as always.

As a fan that loves a game, but doesn't have time to really get into the weeds it's great to have people on this board that know what they are talking about.

Reading this makes me appreciate how good we have it here. TC knows what she is talking about and so do a lot of people here on the board.
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The next issue has to do with Wade. To me this team has co-head coaches. One on O and one on D and it works really well.
Now, they just need a head coach for the special teams and they'll have the perfect storm.
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Eh. All coaches and players have strengths and weaknesses. When everybody was talking just about Kubiak's weaknesses, nobody was talking about his strengths. So it might seem like I'm being partial, but really I'm trying to bring balance to the discussion.

When everybody was talking about firing Kubiak two seasons ago, he had the 2nd most efficient offense in the league. It's actually hard to win 6 games/be competitive in more when you have the worst defense in the league.

Was it Kubiak's desire to go into the 2010 season with an entirely inexperienced secondary? Don't know. But it is pretty easy to say that the Texans would have a much better team if they got better coaching on the defensive side of the ball.


Ultimately, if I thought the Texans would have had a better shot at winning faster if Kubiak was fired in 2010, I would have advocated for it. I've advocated for various firings in the past. But for me, at the time, I didn't think that was worth doing, especially when the rumor was that Rick Smith was going to stay and Kubiak was going to get fired. That rumor made not one lick of sense to me.

In any event, I was right, you were wrong. Neener neener. You can call that a blind spot, but I call it scoreboard.

(But thanks for the kind words on non-Kubiak topics. )
And the bolded here was what I was saying in my earlier post. Kubiak shouldn't get a pass because his offense was prolific but the defense was horrible and his secondary wasn't coached right. He had a massive hand in hiring those coaches. He had a massive hand in drafting those players. He had a culture of FOG..Friends of Gary. That goes into the equation just as much as the offense. So while your instincts may be right overall, it doesn't mean that people can rewrite history. Wade was basically pushed on the franchise because no other D Coordinator they found worthy worked. He has basically saved the team and Gary. Gary is great on offense. Wade is great on defense. Overall it makes one great team. He didn't lose the team and they played hard but it doesn't erase those mistakes. Love your work!

Again Gary had the players supporting him. He has a great O mind. The culture changed when Wade got there and coached up the D right. Right now things are A-1. But alot of the previous 5 years can't be rewritten just because he is a success now. JMO.
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There are several issues at play here.

1. What was it that caused Wade's sophomore lump (or the perception of such) everywhere he goes?
Perhaps the offense didn't help him out enough, and it dragged down the defense???

2. It's not that easy to become a good HC on first stint.

There are coaches who never had a winning record: (Dennis Erickson 0-6
Dan Hanning 0-7).

Manny coaches didn't start off well:

Chuck Fairbanks 1st winning season in 4th year.
Jeff Fisher started w 5 losing seasons (including one as an interim coach.)
Famed coach Sid Gilman had a losing record his first 5 yrs 28-31-1
Tom Landry was 0-11 in his first year, and didn't have a winning season until his 7th

Bill Walsh was 24-37 in his first 4 years.

Bill Belichik had 1 winning season in his first 5 yrs with the Browns
Dick Jauron 1 in 10
Dom Capers 1 in 12 with 2 orgs.

Dave Wandstedt was 16 games under .500 in his first 6 yrs w/ the Bears before he took the Dolphins to 4 straight winning seasons.
(But the team fell flat 1-8 in his 5th yr, leading to his firing.)

3. And there's that that matter with rebuilding a team.

Tom Flores won 2 SBs with the Raiders but went 14-34 w the Seahawks.

Dennis Green built a good Vikings team but went 16-32 with the Cards.

Rich Kotite started off well with the Eagles 36-28, but his next team (Jets) went 4-28.

Steve Mariuci was 58-39 with the Niners, 15-28 w the Lions

Bum Phillips never had a winning team in 5 yrs w the Saints.

Buddy Ryans was 12-20 w the Cards.

George Seifert was 16-32 w the Panthers.

Sam Wyches was 4 games under.500 in 8 years with the Bungals; he was 18 under with the Bucs.

Mike Shannahan is 14-27 w the Skins so far.

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The rationals:
- Usually, one gets good in one's job with experience.
- It normally takes both sides of the ball to have a good team.
- Rebuilding is never an easy job.
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I just don't give clicks to the Chronicle.

Thank you for the bit you posted, though.
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This is an article I found as a link on Steph's Chron blog. I found it interesting and historically spot on from what I recall about the times then...

Wow, really great read, especially that last section, the Q&A with Texans_Chick... it's really nice to have a fan like that representing us on the national stage (as opposed to the Walrus & Justice).

This was an interesting comment & something I've always felt to be true
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I agree that Houston essentially was an expansion team twice — it’s something I wrote about here — so I agree that Kubiak did a nice job rebuilding the team.
Cleveland is the closest thing to what we had at the time & look at where they are. I think the first thing they have to do, is find someone with a vision of the organization from top to bottom, then find someone who can instill that vision, & finally, stick to their guns.

That's what McNair did & it seems to be working out. Cleveland on the other hand is being run by the media & the fans. They'll have a revolving door at the head coach/gm positions until they figure that out.

I'm not a big Kubiak fan. It wouldn't have hurt my feelings if he was let go after the 2010 season. I still feel jilted that both he & Smith still have the same positions in this organization.

But I'm enjoying the 8-1 start
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