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Old 10-25-2012   #1
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Default 3 Amigo Texan "BYE WEEK" Mock 2013 Draft

Greetings fellow Texans, Draft Gurus & friends. This has become a ritual of sorts, to study, dialogue, agree to disagree & pound some sense out of next years draft, 2013, to see Texans continue to flourish, re-tool & hopefully become next NFL dynasty. The three Amigos (Badboy; rmartin65; beerlover) come from different backgrounds & have different viewpoints but we all share a common goal, to put out the best mock draft (both realistic, intuitive & honestly) our fellow fans will appreciate. If not for mods who brought us this forum & admins like Hookem Horns none of this would be possible & friendships like this never formed. Thank You. This Mock Draft is based on BPA (best player available) @ position of need.


First Round: Robert Woods, WR/Jr. 6010 190 lbs. USC

Woods along with Matt Barkley, choose to stay @ USC even during sanctions, forging ahead on record pace refining their craft, big ups. Despite that Woods remains under- the radar behind super sophomore sensation Marqise Lee on his own team. Woods now has the look of a seasoned, refined route runner in pro-system, putting up eye popping numbers (64 receptions as a true freshman, 111 receptions as sophomore, so far 44 receptions this year through only 7 games) In fact Woods set single game records, for USC, with 4 touchdowns against Arizona while going past all time school record for receptions with 217.
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"I grew up watching all those receivers, ever since I understood what USC football was," Woods said. "It's fun to follow in their footsteps, to be one of those great receivers."
Woods would fill a similar role with Texans as the #2 WR behind it's star while already familiar with west coast system run by Kubiak making it a more seamless transition than most rookies entering NFL. Robert would also be a time saver, creating separation quickly for Schaub in pass pro (becoming 1st option in reads) if Schaub gets in trouble Woods is also adept @ working back to his QB. Teams will no longer double team Andre Johnson. Must also add & this is a very important distinction: we are not attempting to replace Andre Johnson (not sure that is even possible) what we are advocating is adding a dynamic complimentary sidekick, someone with both track speed (4.4) great instincts tracking the ball, vertical, hands, running routes & ability to run after catch.

Note: In Texan War Room it was discussed trading up in last years draft (Mercilus) however they rolled the dice & let the draft/player come to them. This year may be the year (compensatory picks cannot be used in trades but can use own picks) to target specific player in this case it is our opinion Robert Woods would be that player.

Second Round: Louis Nix III, NT/rSoph. 6030 330 lbs. Notre Dame

Dominates the center, engages double teams, keep pad level low with natural knee bend & strength. Very quick & explosive to meet & greet the QB or RB in the backfield. Plus measurable for NFL NT position. Still raw but smooth athlete has rare combination of size/speed. Would add beef & playmkaing stops inside, keep LB's clean like he does for Te'o, & personality ready made for showtime in the big's. Questions of his return to Notre Dame this past off season along with probably a second round grade from NFL advisory board in January will probably prompt him to come out early. Hence we are getting in line early to address the interior of this Texan DL.

Third Round (Texans) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE/Jr. 6060 265 lbs. Iowa

Hard to move off his feet when in pass pro or while in receiving route, established position & uses body to effectively wall off defender. Pronounced (Fee doh roh wiz) his father was a power lifter who started him on weights in 8th grade. "FIEDO" is a very good blocker who will protect Matt Schaub, besides added pass pro he can seal the edge or open large seams for Foster, Tate & company. Excellent target in Red Zone or first down scenarios. Very good hands with 21 for 213 yds with 5 games left. Follows long line of Hawkeyes tight ends: Dallas Clark, Tony Moeaki, Brandon Myers and Scott Chandler. Foundation, three down blocking TE with ability to transform into a dangerous offensive weapon disguising either run or passing options.

Third Round (Mario Williams compensatory pick - could be in danger of downgrading this pick due to his lack of production - subject to change) Andrew Jackson, ILB/Jr. 6010 262 lbs. Western Kentucky

Has been compared to Jack Lambert due to his physical play. Alabama Nick Saban said "He's a thumper, plays well, takes on blocker; a really good tackler. I have a lot of respect for him." Jackson once scolded a teammate who eased up as runner headed for sidelines. He only knows how to play 100%. Reminds of first round pick Dont'a Hightower. Could start day one, but will need to learn Wade Phillips system & earn his place on team. He possess the ideal blend of size/speed to play ILB. Andrew has the downhill physical nature to relieve Brian of extreme physical demands or putting him in back too soon as Cushing comes off rehabilitation providing extra insurance as well a starting running mate in the middle for the future.

Fourth Round: Lane Johnson, OT/Sr. 6060 303 lbs. Oklahoma

Athletic, swing tackle to groom who has developed (through excellent coaching) into OU's best OL. He fills one of the Texan tackle requirements in that he is a converted TE (also QB/DT). Has started both RT & LT. Has plus length arms (35") & strong hands to control speed rushers & has natural knee bend to adjust body in front of assignment. Adequate in both pass pro & run blocking, could fit in ZBS. With his upside & Texans need for depth @ position (Butler is probably done) we have upgraded his stock to end of 4th rd. He should make this roster & back up Brown while Harris backs up Newton. Could also get reps @ LG to add depth behind Wade Smith. Athletic, versatile, smart, Lane is from Groveton Texas & is Academic All-Big 12 first team.

Fifth Round: (Texans) Etienne Sabino, OLB/Sr. 6030 238 lbs. The Ohio State

Five star prep recruit who choose Buckeyes over football powers like USC, Miami & Florida. Special teams player first two seasons before breaking into starting lineup as a Junior finishing fifth on the team with 62 tackles and 6.5 tackles for loss. Through the first six games, the senior ranked third on the team with 37 tackles before breaking Fibula which probably cost him going a round or two higher in 2013 draft. His style of play is reminiscent of Brian Cushing, very athletic, great range, downhill blitzer who finishes his tackles. ES could flip inside or play some OLB, adds depth to LB position & someone to learn & shadow Cushing. Depth & special teams, unique athlete.

Fifth Round: (compensatory for Brisiel/Jacoby) Josh Johnson, CB/FS/Sr. 5110 195 lbs. Purdue

A team can never have enough young talent and depth in the defensive backfield. A good-sized corner with excellent tackling skills and on-field awareness, Josh Johnson could play either CB or FS for the Texans in 2013. While he does not have the ‘wow’ speed that the elite prospects have, Johnson is somehow always around the ball, totaling 64 tackles, 9 batted passes and 2 picks last year, and 25 tackles, 8 batted passes and 3 picks in 7 games this year. Furthermore, he fits the Texans’ mold, having been named to the Big 10 academic team two years running.

Sixth Round: Zach Boren, FB/Sr. 6001 252 lbs. The Ohio State

Here is our long waited Vonta Leach replacement. Boren is the prototypical FB who would run through a brick wall to open a hole. This year Boren has taken a more active role in the offense, running for 33 yards on 11 carries and two touchdowns, while catching 5 balls for 42 yards. While these are hardly mindblowing numbers, they go to show that, unlike Leach, Boren can make plays with the ball, even if it is not why he is being drafted here. We foresee many more years of the league’s best rushing offense with Boren helping to clear the way.

Seventh Round: Kapron Lewis-Moore, DE/Sr. 6040 306 lbs. Notre Dame

Kap is defensive co-captain with Manti Te'o. He is a converted OLB with pass rushing moves yet stout enough to drop down as a 5-tech 3-4 end. High motor, effort guy who is always around the football but not quick enough to get there first before Te'o or Nix, still these are the type of effort depth players NFL teams feed off to sustain teams health & longevity. Losing Tim Jamision & David Hunter has left the depth chart with only Jared Crick a rookie & 4th rd. draft pick from Nebraska. We feel Lewis-Moore could fill this vacuum pending on how well those players rehab to give Texans much needed adequate depth to maintain defense @ a high level for entire 16 game season & playoffs.
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Nice job 3 Amigos!!!

I do want deep threat WR but, I don't know if we pull a trigger on WR in the 1st as we already drafted 2 WR last year.

If we draft Nix in the 2nd rd, I would prefer to kick Mitchell to outside and draft OG prospect in the 7th rd.

But man, seems you guys worked really hard. Drink some beer!!!
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Im curious what your other round one options were , both player and position.

Im not sold on a WR in the first .... Just dont see that player making enough of an impact out of the gate to justify a first round pick behind AJ and Walter.
Thats not even taking into account the two they drafted in this last offseason.


I know a lot of people are down on Posey since he hasnt gotten much opportunity .... but the kid has all world "Football" speed as he showed you that in the Jets game chasing down Joe McKnight on the KO return. Also , remember his first catch in the preseason , breaking a tackle and taking it the distance ??
He's going to get more opportunities as he learns the playbook and sharpens his route running.
The Texans offense is just too complex to expect a rookie to jump in with both feet and make an impact.

Then again , maybe you guy's are thinking that this could be the eventual replacement to AJ and are Ok with him having a year or more to learn the offense and hone his skills before being thrust into the lineup.
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Im curious what your other round one options were , both player and position.

Im not sold on a WR in the first .... Just dont see that player making enough of an impact out of the gate to justify a first round pick behind AJ and Walter.
Thats not even taking into account the two they drafted in this last offseason.


I know a lot of people are down on Posey since he hasnt gotten much opportunity .... but the kid has all world "Football" speed as he showed you that in the Jets game chasing down Joe McKnight on the KO return. Also , remember his first catch in the preseason , breaking a tackle and taking it the distance ??
He's going to get more opportunities as he learns the playbook and sharpens his route running.
The Texans offense is just too complex to expect a rookie to jump in with both feet and make an impact.

Then again , maybe you guy's are thinking that this could be the eventual replacement to AJ and are Ok with him having a year or more to learn the offense and hone his skills before being thrust into the lineup.
Both Aj & KDub are over 30, we're going to need a 1 & 2 soon. Maybe not next season, maybe not the season after. But soon. & while Posey may have 1st round talent, chances are still stacked against him being a #1 NFL receiver. Adding another first rounder edges our bets.

I like it.

Not a lot of places on this team I'm dying to drop a first rounder on, but yes, I'd like to know what other options are there. Wouldn't mind exercising the luxury of being able to go BPA.
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Sorry guys been busy @ work. Thought badboy addressed this to some degree but here were my rankings per need off top of my head.

1. Manti T'eo ILB, #1 target in my mind
2. Jonathan Banks, CB, just love his game
3. Jake Matthews, OT, would be a great RT for Texans
4. Robert Woods, WR, great fit for this offense

Looked long & hard @ NT position but honestly not one has 1st rd. Grade. Let me tell you this Nix kid could be special. Also looked @ other WR's like Cordarrelle Patterson, great return skills he could be another option if the top four already taken.

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Sorry guys been busy @ work. Thought badboy addressed this to some degree but here were my rankings per need off top of my head.

1. Manti T'eo ILB, #1 target in my mind
2. Jonathan Banks, CB, just love his game
3. Jake Matthews, OT, would be a great RT for Texans
4. Robert Woods, WR, great fit for this offense

Looked long & hard @ NT position but honestly not one has 1st rd. Grade. Let me tell you this Nix kid could be special. Also looked @ other WR's like Cordarrelle Patterson, great return skills he could be another option if the top four already taken.

Thanks for asking & your valued feedback
Patterson is #1 on my board because of the reasons you state.

Nice mock, filled needs
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Thanks for posting it BL. It was good to work with you guys again!
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Kudos on all the work, this is a good stuff. I think you guys could add another comp pick in the 6th or 7th and be fine. We should have 4 coming.

So if we draft a fullback, are you planning on re-signing Casey and making him a TE, or what?
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Kudos on all the work, this is a good stuff. I think you guys could add another comp pick in the 6th or 7th and be fine. We should have 4 coming.

So if we draft a fullback, are you planning on re-signing Casey and making him a TE, or what?
Really? I am terrible with the comp pick stuff, so I am not too surprised. Thanks.

At least from my POV, drafting Boren means we get rid of Clutts, who has shown nothing thus far. Casey becomes more of an HBack.
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Really? I am terrible with the comp pick stuff, so I am not too surprised. Thanks.

At least from my POV, drafting Boren means we get rid of Clutts, who has shown nothing thus far. Casey becomes more of an HBack.
Yes, we should get 4 compensatory picks:

Mario Williams - 3/4th
Mike Brisiel - 4/5th
Joel Dreesen - 5/6th
Jason Allen - 6/7th

The Texans signed zero qualifying free agents, so every loss should result in at least a 7th. Play time, games started and contract size figure into this equation, so those are just rough estimates.
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Great work guys!

You hit all the areas I believe the Texans are thin at (NT, TE, & ILB), and gave us good depth at other positions as well as bolster STs. I'm with some of the posters on drafting a WR in the 1st but if Woods is as good as you say he is, and the Texans still feel it's a need, then I wouldn't mind the pick. I think my favorite pick is Jackson the ILB. He may not be a 3 down ILB but we need somebody in there with an attitude (like Ray Lewis) that will punish people. I'm just worried he won't be there when the Texans pick. He will probably start moving up draft boards soon if not already.
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Yes, we should get 4 compensatory picks:

Mario Williams - 3/4th
Mike Brisiel - 4/5th
Joel Dreesen - 5/6th
Jason Allen - 6/7th

The Texans signed zero qualifying free agents, so every loss should result in at least a 7th. Play time, games started and contract size figure into this equation, so those are just rough estimates.
Awesome! I thought teams get capped at 3 comp picks though? Like I said, I am hardly an expert. Usually I dont work these into my mocks until we know for sure, but BB and BL were confident in us getting at least 2.

Also, how does Mario's recent play affect the picks? I know the formula is secret, but it takes into account salary and play. Are we more likely to see a 4th than a 3rd?

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Great work guys!

You hit all the areas I believe the Texans are thin at (NT, TE, & ILB), and gave us good depth at other positions as well as bolster STs. I'm with some of the posters on drafting a WR in the 1st but if Woods is as good as you say he is, and the Texans still feel it's a need, then I wouldn't mind the pick. I think my favorite pick is Jackson the ILB. He may not be a 3 down ILB but we need somebody in there with an attitude (like Ray Lewis) that will punish people. I'm just worried he won't be there when the Texans pick. He will probably start moving up draft boards soon if not already.
The 1st round really came down to value. Woods has incredible value at the end of the first, and we could use an upgrade/future number 1 guy.

Jackson is an interesting player to place. He is definitely a 2 down player though, which I think when coupled with his small school status dooms him to being a 3rd rounder.
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great mock guys. i dont watch much college ball and try to stay out of the way when discussing the draft, especially because i can only relate to the positions and not the players specifically, but i have a few questions. how likely are these guys to be available when we draft? you mention possibly needing to trade up for woods which is something i supported in the "needs" thread, but trading up is not something we've traditionally done. as for woods, how's the rest of his game (blocking, locker room, etc)? he's a bit lighter than ideal, but then again you cant teach speed.

it took me a little while to piece it together, but i've come to agree with the early tightend and late fullback. graham is ok, but appears to have the 2nd tightend spot only by default, and could use to be upgraded since we're such a TE heavy team. having another fullback benefits our special teams as well as giving casey more freedom to spread out.

inside linebacker - yall wait until the third round. this is a position that by appearances is traditionally weighted towards late first round or early second. was there not a player here for our first couple of picks? dobbins is surprising a lot of people, but is best as a sub. james, alexander, and the perpetually injured sharpton are very expendable - leaving this one of few real positions of need. we may either need to double up, or look for an earlier pick.

nose tackle, how would yall rate this guy's motor? i'm skeptical of taking a "fat guy" early because of how difficult they are to evaluate, and how little time our current nose is on the field anyways. i would avoid a "project" on the defensive line if at all possible, instead trying to find support behind smith and watt. through 7 games we've yet to allow a rushing touchdown, we're not as bad as some presume up the middle.
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All excellent questions.

Woods is complete. If texans feel same way don't be surprised if Rick trades up (see bolded comments under Woods).

Nix is not typical plug in the middle, he is plus 6'3" strong
& quick. In other words a Wade Phillips type.

Not a deep, talented crop of ILB's after T'eo.

TE is under-exposed utilized for Iowa. Powerhouse blocker with plus size & hands.
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great mock guys. i dont watch much college ball and try to stay out of the way when discussing the draft, especially because i can only relate to the positions and not the players specifically, but i have a few questions. how likely are these guys to be available when we draft? you mention possibly needing to trade up for woods which is something i supported in the "needs" thread, but trading up is not something we've traditionally done. as for woods, how's the rest of his game (blocking, locker room, etc)? he's a bit lighter than ideal, but then again you cant teach speed.

it took me a little while to piece it together, but i've come to agree with the early tightend and late fullback. graham is ok, but appears to have the 2nd tightend spot only by default, and could use to be upgraded since we're such a TE heavy team. having another fullback benefits our special teams as well as giving casey more freedom to spread out.

inside linebacker - yall wait until the third round. this is a position that by appearances is traditionally weighted towards late first round or early second. was there not a player here for our first couple of picks? dobbins is surprising a lot of people, but is best as a sub. james, alexander, and the perpetually injured sharpton are very expendable - leaving this one of few real positions of need. we may either need to double up, or look for an earlier pick.

nose tackle, how would yall rate this guy's motor? i'm skeptical of taking a "fat guy" early because of how difficult they are to evaluate, and how little time our current nose is on the field anyways. i would avoid a "project" on the defensive line if at all possible, instead trying to find support behind smith and watt. through 7 games we've yet to allow a rushing touchdown, we're not as bad as some presume up the middle.
First, thanks for reading and taking the time to respond. And I mean that to all of you who have done so thus far. It really is what keeps us motivated.

Now, on to your questions.

Historically, on the group effort mock we dont predict trades. There are simply to many variables to deal with, so we just dont do it. In fact, this was the first year we put in some comp. picks before knowing 100% if/what picks we have. This brings me to the main point- on our mocks, we only take players we think have a good chance of being available. Upon evaluating the potential 2013 draft class, we decided that Woods has a good chance of being available, due to the play of other players. However, even if Woods' stock were to rise, Woods is a player to consider trading up for.

Woods is a very average blocker, as one could assume from his frame. He is no Kevin Walter, but he will stick his nose in there. And to the best of my knowledge, Woods is a quality locker room guy.

I am glad to read that you agree with drafting both a TE and a FB. They will give the offense more potential wrinkles to confuse defenses.

ILB is a huge need, but really the only prospect head and shoulders above Jackson is Te'o, who will be selected well before the Texans pick (he is a potential trade up target). There are other players in the mix, but Jackson will be a starter early on, and will be HUGE in shorring up the run defense. Like we have mentioned, he wont be effective against the pass, but Cushing fills that role well. We only need a 2-down ILB at this point.

If you get a chance, watch the OU/ND game and judge Nix III for yourself. I will say that I have limited concerns about his motor. As with almost any big guy, there is some worry, but to me it is marginalized. He appears to play very motivated this year. And I dont see Nix as a project. Yes, he is young, but he is talented and can play from day 1. Sure his technique and conditioning could use work, but you can say that about most players coming out of college.

Hope this answers some of your questions.
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thanks very much for the quick responses, a couple lines really stood out and sold me on the players. for instance "he's no kevin walter, but he'll stick his nose in there". for all his warts, jacoby jones was the same way and i can think of several big runs from arian where jacoby has his man locked up down the field. similarly not someone to motion as tightend, but if woods has that same want to downfield, i'm on board.

where i'm most surprised is at linebacker. yall conclude that there's teo and then everyone else. if this is the case (and yall's track record speaks for itsself), is there another player in the middle rounds to look at? i keep thinking of this as similar to the 2006 draft. d'brick didnt grade out for the #1, so we instead loaded up in the 3rd round with winston and spencer. since we cant afford teo, is this possibly another "load up later" scenario?

i also disagree with "we only need a 2 down linebacker", we already have a handful of those. in this day of spread and hurry up offenses, nickel has become almost the base defensive formation. we dont have that however, instead going from 3-4 to dime because we lack the personnel for a strong nickel. the missing piece is at linebacker, someone to pair with cushing who can shade tightends as well as support the run game. glover does a great job filling in, but doesnt have the size for the jobs asked of him and would be much better suited staying in the secondary as opposed to pushing over the tightend.

again in that area, cody has almost 1/3 of the snaps as jj watt and 1/2 as many as smith. we arent in our base 3-4 very often, so when evaluating players, i'd put extra weight on their ability in 2-4-5 nickel formations.
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where i'm most surprised is at linebacker. yall conclude that there's teo and then everyone else. if this is the case (and yall's track record speaks for itsself), is there another player in the middle rounds to look at? i keep thinking of this as similar to the 2006 draft. d'brick didnt grade out for the #1, so we instead loaded up in the 3rd round with winston and spencer. since we cant afford teo, is this possibly another "load up later" scenario?

i also disagree with "we only need a 2 down linebacker", we already have a handful of those. in this day of spread and hurry up offenses, nickel has become almost the base defensive formation. we dont have that however, instead going from 3-4 to dime because we lack the personnel for a strong nickel. the missing piece is at linebacker, someone to pair with cushing who can shade tightends as well as support the run game. glover does a great job filling in, but doesnt have the size for the jobs asked of him and would be much better suited staying in the secondary as opposed to pushing over the tightend.

again in that area, cody has almost 1/3 of the snaps as jj watt and 1/2 as many as smith. we arent in our base 3-4 very often, so when evaluating players, i'd put extra weight on their ability in 2-4-5 nickel formations.
It really is a weak class at ILB. A guy like Minter (LSU) deserves some hype, but I have not watched enough LSU this year to make a good judgement. The underclassmen Big 10 duo of Bullough (Michigan State) and Borland (Wisconsin) are also ones to watch. All three guys are in 2nd round to 3rd round consideration, but we liked Nix more than them. Then there are guys like Johnson (Alabama) and Mauti (Penn State) that are pretty highly rated, but I am not a fan. Skov in the 3rd is worth a look, but we wrote him off due to a recent DUI. After that, you are getting guys who are rated all over the place.

A guy that has really intrigued me recently is Kenneth Tate from Maryland. He has played pretty much every position during his time as a Terrapin, and while he is being projected as an OLB, I think having him as an ILB would be interesting. I think he could be that nickel LB that you may be looking for, and he could be had in the 5th, as of now.
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You know there is another LB in our mock?

Etienne Sabino, OLB/Sr. 6030 238 lbs. He is a three down, athletic type who can cover sideline to sideline. We didn't feel the Texans have anyone with similar skill set to Cushing, unless Sharpton returns? Ethinee does have history of injurys, but in a weak class if healthy could have possibly been a second round pick. Lots of potential if he can kick his injury bug. Fundamentally sound wrap up tackler, can read & react in passing lanes plus provide extra pass rusher in Wade Phillips scheme. So in essence we covered ILB position with two different types; a power run stuffer & covererage sack guy. It would be surprising to address this area so heavily but sure would solidify current perceived needs as they stand.
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great mock guys. i dont watch much college ball and try to stay out of the way when discussing the draft, especially because i can only relate to the positions and not the players specifically, but i have a few questions. how likely are these guys to be available when we draft? you mention possibly needing to trade up for woods which is something i supported in the "needs" thread, but trading up is not something we've traditionally done. as for woods, how's the rest of his game (blocking, locker room, etc)? he's a bit lighter than ideal, but then again you cant teach speed.

it took me a little while to piece it together, but i've come to agree with the early tightend and late fullback. graham is ok, but appears to have the 2nd tightend spot only by default, and could use to be upgraded since we're such a TE heavy team. having another fullback benefits our special teams as well as giving casey more freedom to spread out.

inside linebacker - yall wait until the third round. this is a position that by appearances is traditionally weighted towards late first round or early second. was there not a player here for our first couple of picks? dobbins is surprising a lot of people, but is best as a sub. james, alexander, and the perpetually injured sharpton are very expendable - leaving this one of few real positions of need. we may either need to double up, or look for an earlier pick.

nose tackle, how would yall rate this guy's motor? i'm skeptical of taking a "fat guy" early because of how difficult they are to evaluate, and how little time our current nose is on the field anyways. i would avoid a "project" on the defensive line if at all possible, instead trying to find support behind smith and watt. through 7 games we've yet to allow a rushing touchdown, we're not as bad as some presume up the middle.
Hey, Scooter, thanks for checking in. Good questions. Availability is a prime consideration & while it is of course impossible to know exactly where a candidate will come in at, our constant watch of other boards, comments by respected" analysts, game action, internet articles, etc. usually gets us close. During this mock as well as others we put together, players moved up and down. Sheldon Richardson as well as our guy Robert Woods moved with Woods dropping as BL stated thru no fault of his own. This actually benefits Texans who realistically should have no shot at this potential franchise WR.

Trade ups: Smithiak has a different mind set than Three Amigos. I think I can speak for my cohorts in that we would trade up more frequently than Gary & Ric. We understand the importance of each pick but if you have "that" player who will impact your roster from day one, we say go get him. How much you pay is the thread of contention among us as well as others. For example, I would not have done the Julio Jones trade, although I had mocked him as a very good WR.

TEs: IMO an excellent WR2 reduces somewhat the need for TEs, but like Woods, if you have the chance to bring in a playmaker like Fiedo, you pull the trigger. Fiedorowicz impacts RBs, protect QB, blocks downfield & presents a huge RZ target. In addition, he can drift and pick up yardage thru the air.

ILB: this draft is weak imo. T'eo & Kevin Minter (LSU) should both be gone, Minter in second. T'eo would trump Woods imo do to dire need; Minter would not and falls to second round but again gone before we select. If you have time to watch him Oct 27th 5pm ESPN3 against Florida International you will be in for a treat if you like hard tackling. Jackson is another Dont'a Hightower & starts day one for Texans. To get that quality in 3rd round is remarkable on this Texans team.

Nicks is running under the radar. I admit I was not watching Notre Dame's defense much as T'eo will go early first. BL gave me heads up and it took about two series to see LN3 is the real deal. Motor? This guy might make Watts look disinterested if you consider his weight comparison and position. He will take blockers away from other linemen and plug the middle allowing the LBs to cheat a bit. My only disappointment will be he could climb forcing me to use a first round. Notre Dame vs Oklahoma Oct 27th 7pm ABC. Also, watch for our other pick on D line in that game.

A guy can be big without being Hainesworth. Nicks replaces Cody and starts day 1. We do exactly as you suggest with Kapron Lewis -Moore DE. I don't know if you can scream on a PM, but that is what I did to BL about KLM "Who is that guy!!" We like Crick but KLM could do more than just challenge him.

OBTW? We are as bad up the middle as many think. Wade Phillips is using smoke & mirrors. Cody age/$ for new contract rules him out.

Appreciate you comments.
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Greetings fellow Texans, Draft Gurus & friends. This has become a ritual of sorts, to study, dialogue, agree to disagree & pound some sense out of next years draft, 2013, to see Texans continue to flourish, re-tool & hopefully become next NFL dynasty. The three Amigos (Badboy; rmartin65; beerlover) come from different backgrounds & have different viewpoints but we all share a common goal, to put out the best mock draft (both realistic, intuitive & honestly) our fellow fans will appreciate. If not for mods who brought us this forum & admins like Hookem Horns none of this would be possible & friendships like this never formed. Thank You. This Mock Draft is based on BPA (best player available) @ position of need.


First Round: Robert Woods, WR/Jr. 6010 190 lbs. USC

Woods along with Matt Barkley, choose to stay @ USC even during sanctions, forging ahead on record pace refining their craft, big ups. Despite that Woods remains under- the radar behind super sophomore sensation Marqise Lee on his own team. Woods now has the look of a seasoned, refined route runner in pro-system, putting up eye popping numbers (64 receptions as a true freshman, 111 receptions as sophomore, so far 44 receptions this year through only 7 games) In fact Woods set single game records, for USC, with 4 touchdowns against Arizona while going past all time school record for receptions with 217. Woods would fill a similar role with Texans as the #2 WR behind it's star while already familiar with west coast system run by Kubiak making it a more seamless transition than most rookies entering NFL. Robert would also be a time saver, creating separation quickly for Schaub in pass pro (becoming 1st option in reads) if Schaub gets in trouble Woods is also adept @ working back to his QB. Teams will no longer double team Andre Johnson. Must also add & this is a very important distinction: we are not attempting to replace Andre Johnson (not sure that is even possible) what we are advocating is adding a dynamic complimentary sidekick, someone with both track speed (4.4) great instincts tracking the ball, vertical, hands, running routes & ability to run after catch.

Note: In Texan War Room it was discussed trading up in last years draft (Mercilus) however they rolled the dice & let the draft/player come to them. This year may be the year (compensatory picks cannot be used in trades but can use own picks) to target specific player in this case it is our opinion Robert Woods would be that player.

Second Round: Louis Nix III, NT/rSoph. 6030 330 lbs. Notre Dame

Dominates the center, engages double teams, keep pad level low with natural knee bend & strength. Very quick & explosive to meet & greet the QB or RB in the backfield. Plus measurable for NFL NT position. Still raw but smooth athlete has rare combination of size/speed. Would add beef & playmkaing stops inside, keep LB's clean like he does for Te'o, & personality ready made for showtime in the big's. Questions of his return to Notre Dame this past off season along with probably a second round grade from NFL advisory board in January will probably prompt him to come out early. Hence we are getting in line early to address the interior of this Texan DL.

Third Round (Texans) C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE/Jr. 6060 265 lbs. Iowa

Hard to move off his feet when in pass pro or while in receiving route, established position & uses body to effectively wall off defender. Pronounced (Fee doh roh wiz) his father was a power lifter who started him on weights in 8th grade. "FIEDO" is a very good blocker who will protect Matt Schaub, besides added pass pro he can seal the edge or open large seams for Foster, Tate & company. Excellent target in Red Zone or first down scenarios. Very good hands with 21 for 213 yds with 5 games left. Follows long line of Hawkeyes tight ends: Dallas Clark, Tony Moeaki, Brandon Myers and Scott Chandler. Foundation, three down blocking TE with ability to transform into a dangerous offensive weapon disguising either run or passing options.

Third Round (Mario Williams compensatory pick - could be in danger of downgrading this pick due to his lack of production - subject to change) Andrew Jackson, ILB/Jr. 6010 262 lbs. Western Kentucky

Has been compared to Jack Lambert due to his physical play. Alabama Nick Saban said "He's a thumper, plays well, takes on blocker; a really good tackler. I have a lot of respect for him." Jackson once scolded a teammate who eased up as runner headed for sidelines. He only knows how to play 100%. Reminds of first round pick Dont'a Hightower. Could start day one, but will need to learn Wade Phillips system & earn his place on team. He possess the ideal blend of size/speed to play ILB. Andrew has the downhill physical nature to relieve Brian of extreme physical demands or putting him in back too soon as Cushing comes off rehabilitation providing extra insurance as well a starting running mate in the middle for the future.

Fourth Round: Lane Johnson, OT/Sr. 6060 303 lbs. Oklahoma

Athletic, swing tackle to groom who has developed (through excellent coaching) into OU's best OL. He fills one of the Texan tackle requirements in that he is a converted TE (also QB/DT). Has started both RT & LT. Has plus length arms (35") & strong hands to control speed rushers & has natural knee bend to adjust body in front of assignment. Adequate in both pass pro & run blocking, could fit in ZBS. With his upside & Texans need for depth @ position (Butler is probably done) we have upgraded his stock to end of 4th rd. He should make this roster & back up Brown while Harris backs up Newton. Could also get reps @ LG to add depth behind Wade Smith. Athletic, versatile, smart, Lane is from Groveton Texas & is Academic All-Big 12 first team.

Fifth Round: (Texans) Etienne Sabino, OLB/Sr. 6030 238 lbs. The Ohio State

Five star prep recruit who choose Buckeyes over football powers like USC, Miami & Florida. Special teams player first two seasons before breaking into starting lineup as a Junior finishing fifth on the team with 62 tackles and 6.5 tackles for loss. Through the first six games, the senior ranked third on the team with 37 tackles before breaking Fibula which probably cost him going a round or two higher in 2013 draft. His style of play is reminiscent of Brian Cushing, very athletic, great range, downhill blitzer who finishes his tackles. ES could flip inside or play some OLB, adds depth to LB position & someone to learn & shadow Cushing. Depth & special teams, unique athlete.

Fifth Round: (compensatory for Brisiel/Jacoby) Josh Johnson, CB/FS/Sr. 5110 195 lbs. Purdue

A team can never have enough young talent and depth in the defensive backfield. A good-sized corner with excellent tackling skills and on-field awareness, Josh Johnson could play either CB or FS for the Texans in 2013. While he does not have the ‘wow’ speed that the elite prospects have, Johnson is somehow always around the ball, totaling 64 tackles, 9 batted passes and 2 picks last year, and 25 tackles, 8 batted passes and 3 picks in 7 games this year. Furthermore, he fits the Texans’ mold, having been named to the Big 10 academic team two years running.

Sixth Round: Zach Boren, FB/Sr. 6001 252 lbs. The Ohio State

Here is our long waited Vonta Leach replacement. Boren is the prototypical FB who would run through a brick wall to open a hole. This year Boren has taken a more active role in the offense, running for 33 yards on 11 carries and two touchdowns, while catching 5 balls for 42 yards. While these are hardly mindblowing numbers, they go to show that, unlike Leach, Boren can make plays with the ball, even if it is not why he is being drafted here. We foresee many more years of the league’s best rushing offense with Boren helping to clear the way.

Seventh Round: Kapron Lewis-Moore, DE/Sr. 6040 306 lbs. Notre Dame

Kap is defensive co-captain with Manti Te'o. He is a converted OLB with pass rushing moves yet stout enough to drop down as a 5-tech 3-4 end. High motor, effort guy who is always around the football but not quick enough to get there first before Te'o or Nix, still these are the type of effort depth players NFL teams feed off to sustain teams health & longevity. Losing Tim Jamision & David Hunter has left the depth chart with only Jared Crick a rookie & 4th rd. draft pick from Nebraska. We feel Lewis-Moore could fill this vacuum pending on how well those players rehab to give Texans much needed adequate depth to maintain defense @ a high level for entire 16 game season & playoffs.
WOW. Yall did an excellent job for an early mock. Some nitpicking.

1. Woods is a great pick, but I doubt he will be there. This is becoming an passing league and as such more and more WRs are going high in the draft. 4 went in the first 30 picks last year. A good pick, but I fear he will be a mid round selection or better.

2. I entertained the notion of putting Louis Nix III as first round Texans pick for many of the reasons you suggested. I think Nix has the stuff, but I don't think he lasts this long. He is a big, athletic, disruptive force in the middle of the field. He can play as a 3-4 NT like Seymour or Jenkins, a 3-4 DE like Ngata, or a 4-3 DT like Atkins. As such I think he goes int he first, possibly even a high as around 12. I'd take him with the Texans first rounder. If he somehow slips to the Texans in the second, I would be besides myself.

3. VERY good TE prospect. Question is would he see the field with OD, Graham, and Casey(since you have a FB later on) ahead of him? May mean one of them is let out? That aside GREAT pick.

4. I am not knocking the pick. I think he is a great developmental Swing tackle. My only concern is that I see RT as a bigger more immediate need to upgrade and would do so with a starter. Obviously yall feel differently. That's fine. We will get a better sense of Newton over the second half of the season.

5. I am certainly concerned about his speed and size. a little short for a safety but not really fast enough to be a corner. Perhaps he becomes a special teams player?

6. Boren is a fine prospect. I prefer Millard but Boren is also good.

7. High effort DE in the 7th. Sure. Sign me up. At this point in the draft give me high effort high motor guys.
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