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Old 09-29-2012   #1
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The punishment wasn’t nearly Joe Mays-severe, but still Broncos outside linebacker Von Miller got dinged pretty good by the league office.

Miller was fined $15,750 for a roughing the passer penalty he incurred during the Broncos’ 31-25 loss to the Houston Texans.

“No comment,” Miller said, adding he would appeal.

Specifically, the league said Miller “unnecessarily drove the quarterback to the ground.” The quarterback was Matt Schaub, who lost part of his ear after his helmet flew off from a blast by Mays, the Broncos’ middle linebacker.

Mays was not only fined $50,000 for the hit, he received a one-game suspension and will not play Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.
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I didn't think Miller's hit was that bad.
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Well deserved, pile-driving QB is attempt to injure imo.
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I didn't think Miller's hit was that bad.
He picked him up off his feet and drove him into the ground, that's how shoulder injuries(Lienart) happen.
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He picked him up off his feet and drove him into the ground, that's how shoulder injuries(Lienart) happen.
In my opinion, that's old school football. I love seeing a defender wrap up a player & drive his dick in the dirt. That's how you intimidate a player without having to take a cheap shot. The fact that it was a QB (our QB) should have nothing to do with it. The league has pampered the QB's for so long that they've become soft. However, I do agree with throwing a flag on the Mays hit. That was an obvious attempt to injure the player.

The players today like to throw their bodies at the offensive player & more often than they should, allow the opponent to keep their balance & take off for a long run. Imo, the only sure way to tackle is to run through the player & wrap your arms around him. Then you can intimidate him by driving him into the turf hard.
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Default Re: Von Miller fined $15,750 for roughing Matt Schaub

The defender's goal should be to take the QB down as quickly as possible, while possibly hitting the ball with helmet or fist or stripping it. Lifting the QB (or whoever has the ball) before driving him to the ground is not only unnecessary, but also a move made for no other reason than to hurt your opponent. If players are allowed to do things simply to hurt their opponent, injuries are far more likely, especially when it's a D-lineman doing it to a QB.

I have stated already in another thread that I actually thought the Miller hit was worse, because it was so clearly intentional, or at least I thought. I get your point about Schaub possibly hopping a little to make a throw and then Von Miller hit him, making it not all his fault; but, I want to make the point that I am very much against defenders lifting the QB only to have more room to drive him to the ground, if that had been the case or not.
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In my opinion, that's old school football. I love seeing a defender wrap up a player & drive his dick in the dirt. That's how you intimidate a player without having to take a cheap shot. The fact that it was a QB (our QB) should have nothing to do with it. The league has pampered the QB's for so long that they've become soft. However, I do agree with throwing a flag on the Mays hit. That was an obvious attempt to injure the player.

The players today like to throw their bodies at the offensive player & more often than they should, allow the opponent to keep their balance & take off for a long run. Imo, the only sure way to tackle is to run through the player & wrap your arms around him. Then you can intimidate him by driving him into the turf hard.
Well, whether you agree with the rule or not, what you've just described is pretty specifically illegal when it comes to doing it to a QB in the act of passing.

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A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a
passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the
ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided
for in (1) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after
throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on
top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap
up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.
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The penalty on Miller was unquestionably correct as far as I'm concerned. Again, maybe you disagree with the rule, but that's kind of irrelevant.
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In my opinion, that's old school football. I love seeing a defender wrap up a player & drive his dick in the dirt. That's how you intimidate a player without having to take a cheap shot. The fact that it was a QB (our QB) should have nothing to do with it. The league has pampered the QB's for so long that they've become soft. However, I do agree with throwing a flag on the Mays hit. That was an obvious attempt to injure the player.

The players today like to throw their bodies at the offensive player & more often than they should, allow the opponent to keep their balance & take off for a long run. Imo, the only sure way to tackle is to run through the player & wrap your arms around him. Then you can intimidate him by driving him into the turf hard.

Maybe we all need to go ahead and just admit that we're not watching the "Why back in my day when MEN played football...." game of our youth. The NFL, todays NFL runs on the passing game and quality quarterbacking. I get that all of us really want to see broken bones, blood dripping off of the players, and leather helmets (wait, check that. I don't want to see that) but that's not the reality of the game in 2012.

I agree with you regarding poor tackling. It seems to be a dying art form. The soft QB thing I can't get with because it's not the same game that I grew up watching and regardless of whether we like it or not our team will suck intensely if we lose our QB. I don't want that so Von Miller deserves his fine and needs to STFU.
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It's a Jack Del Rio defense. Of course it was intentional to hurt the QB. It's naive to believe otherwise.

Von Miller is perfect for JDR, considering the fines in his career so far.
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He picked him up off his feet and drove him into the ground, that's how shoulder injuries(Lienart) happen.
But it wasn't intentional IMO. Looked like Miller was trying to make a clean tackle. Just so happens Schaub just threw the ball, so was out of balance, so looked like he picked him up and drove him to the ground. I don't know how Miller could have played it any differently.
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But it wasn't intentional IMO. Looked like Miller was trying to make a clean tackle. Just so happens Schaub just threw the ball, so was out of balance, so looked like he picked him up and drove him to the ground. I don't know how Miller could have played it any differently.
So it was Shaubs fault now? Intentional or not that's how a qb can get a separated shoulder or worse and if you drive a qb into the ground you will get fined plain and simple.
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But it wasn't intentional IMO. Looked like Miller was trying to make a clean tackle. Just so happens Schaub just threw the ball, so was out of balance, so looked like he picked him up and drove him to the ground. I don't know how Miller could have played it any differently.
He picked him up just above the knee and made sure his helmet was driven into #8.
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But it wasn't intentional IMO. Looked like Miller was trying to make a clean tackle. Just so happens Schaub just threw the ball, so was out of balance, so looked like he picked him up and drove him to the ground. I don't know how Miller could have played it any differently.
Miller could have played it differently by ... NOT picking him up and driving him to the ground!

Seriously, he could have easily just bear hugged Schaub and left him standing. No need to make the dirty play he made. Oops, there is a reason - Jack Del Rio is his coach.
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So, how do Texans fans feel about the hit Quin put on Locker???

I think we all better suck it up if the league decides to weigh in on it too. It sure looked like a good clean hit but Quin did land on top of Locker, Locker did end up on the bench from it....just saying....
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So, how do Texans fans feel about the hit Quin put on Locker???

I think we all better suck it up if the league decides to weigh in on it too. It sure looked like a good clean hit but Quin did land on top of Locker, Locker did end up on the bench from it....just saying....
I thought the same thing. But Quin did put his helmet WAY over to the side, to avoid using the helmet (into Locker's helmet and/or chest) 100%. To me, that counts for something.

And...the injury occurred to the opposite shoulder due to a freakishly timed side-swipe by JJ Watt. I can't tell if the shoulder popped out due to JJ Watt or the landing on the ground, though.

All in all, it didn't seem like he was trying to hurt him. IDK, then again that could be the homer in me. I had said last week, in regards to how Broncos fans were poo-poo'ing the hits on Schaub, that I hoped us Texans fans weren't that blind about the hits OUR guys put on other players.
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So, how do Texans fans feel about the hit Quin put on Locker???

I think we all better suck it up if the league decides to weigh in on it too. It sure looked like a good clean hit but Quin did land on top of Locker, Locker did end up on the bench from it....just saying....
This occurred to me also, I was at the game, so didn't have the benefit of watching it on TV, just stadium replays viewed thru beer goggles.

But I said at the time that it looked very similar to the Von Miller hit from last week. I don't know how much of a difference it makes that Locker still had the ball. Given that there was an injury, I would not be surprised to see a fine.



And to weigh in on the Von Miller hit as an Aggie and Von fan, it was ugly and he deserved the fine.
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But I said at the time that it looked very similar to the Von Miller hit from last week. I don't know how much of a difference it makes that Locker still had the ball. Given that there was an injury, I would not be surprised to see a fine.
I would be shocked if there were any fine on Quinn. The only similarity between the two plays is a QB got hit. Quinn never left his feet and never made any attempt to drive Locker into the ground. He drove straight through Locker with a textbook tackle. Hitting Schaub hard is not what got Miller in trouble. It was picking Schaub up and then launching his own body up leaving his own feet so he could angle to drive Schaub into the ground with his full body weight.
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So, how do Texans fans feel about the hit Quin put on Locker???

I think we all better suck it up if the league decides to weigh in on it too. It sure looked like a good clean hit but Quin did land on top of Locker, Locker did end up on the bench from it....just saying....
Seriously?

That was a clean sack and I am 100% certain Quin will not be fined. He was unblocked and Locker never saw him coming. The only reason you would even bring up the fact that it was anything other than a sack is that Locker was injured. However, that injury was sustained earlier in the season and Locker was trying to play through it.

The league may look at the hit, but it was clean with no excessive antics aimed at injuring Locker. Heck... I still cannot figure out how the shoulder that was NOT hit got knocked out of the socket.
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So it was Shaubs fault now? Intentional or not that's how a qb can get a separated shoulder or worse and if you drive a qb into the ground you will get fined plain and simple.
Not saying its Scahub's fault. Just not intentional or dirty IMO. Miller running at full speed, Schaub in the middle of throwing, is going to produce that type of hit.
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