Holliday's chances at making the team - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Texn4life · 08-12-2012

I understand he'll only be a pure return man, but in my opinion this guy has to be on the team. There are very few players that make u want to watch them every time they touch the ball and he's on that list. I also think it'll make Keshawn a better player being able to focus solely on the receiver position.

rmartin65 · 08-12-2012

I say he is a bubble player, but he gets the green light in my opinion. The pre-season will be important for him, but he is a huge threat with the ball in his hands.

DexmanC · 08-12-2012

I see his chances are good, as Jacoby Jones' position on the team has
always been crucial, as a returner.

I think Kubiak will keep a pure returner if he proves to be special. He'd better
keep hustlin,' though.

**Texan_Bill** · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

I say he is a bubble player, but he gets the green light in my opinion. The pre-season will be important for him, but he is a huge threat with the ball in his hands.

Well yeah.... Pretty much this!!

Rey · 08-12-2012

I've had trindon making the roster every year since he's been here and I don't see any reason to change that now.

Texn4life · 08-12-2012

If we release him he is guaranteed to be on a roster the very next day. I've never seen Kubiak smile to big on the sideline like he was after his big return.

Wolf6151 · 08-12-2012

It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else. We'll see over the next few weeks if he can catch the ball and MAYBE we keep him as WR#6, if we carry that many. Hopefully he'll improve at WR. I agree it would be nice to allow Keshawn to concentrate on WR only. We'll see, but I'm not sure that Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy, is a luxury we can afford. I also fear the first time a 2nd or 3rd string LB opponent fighting for a roster spot on his team and trying to impress the coaches lays a massive hit on Trindon. I wonder if he'll get up.

BullBlitz · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151

It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else.

I don't think so.

A good PR/KR is worth a lot, especially since it's been years since we've had a competent one, and we supposed to make a playoff run year.

I don't care if he only does one thing. He's more valuable than a who's a backup linebacker and special teams player.

Joeycharp89 · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by BullBlitz

I don't think so.

A good PR/KR is worth a lot, especially since it's been years since we've had a competent one, and we supposed to make a playoff run year.

I don't care if he only does one thing. He's more valuable than a who's a backup linebacker and special teams player.

Agreed. He can potentially make our special teams a weapon, instead of just "ok." Look at the Cardinals, Patrick Peterson was like 50% of their offense :P

hookinreds · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151

It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else.

We kept Jacoby Jones on the roster for years, and he couldn't catch passes and couldn't return punts or kickoffs.

hookinreds · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by hookinreds

We kept Jacoby Jones on the roster for years, and he couldn't catch passes and couldn't return punts or kickoffs.

Not sure you can quote your self...but I was high on Jacoby when he first started returning...as soon as he got the ball, he was upfield. I think it was 2007 Week 3 against the Colts when he got blasted running up the sideline after a 74yd punt return in the middle of the 3rd quarter. He left the game for x rays and I believe he missed a game with an injured shoulder and then was nursing it over the next few games too. Something in my head always points back to that hit as the down turn in his return career. He was balls to the wall before that decleater, and then after that, he seemed to dance and go 75% on nearly every return. But then again, if I'm a starting WR, maybe he sand bagged a little so he wouldn't lose his WR job...or just continued shell shock from that hit. It could be the same thing for Holiday...JJ set our expectations in the 2007 preseason. I believe that after that blast against the Colts, his approach changed. Granted, he did have some nice returns, but nothing like what I think he could have been. Same could be said about Holiday, he's got all the potential, and we saw it in college, and then saw the muffs "possibly" from the hand injury last year and he didn't make the squad. Hopefully he can keep it up.

powda · 08-12-2012

I want to see consistently good returns and good decisions for the next two games. Ultimately, if the Texans keep 6 wideouts and their confident in the other 5 guys he has a shot to make the roster.

It sucks but I think his chances to be here hinge on how much they trust posey, martin, and jean.

dream_team · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151

It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else. We'll see over the next few weeks if he can catch the ball and MAYBE we keep him as WR#6, if we carry that many. Hopefully he'll improve at WR. I agree it would be nice to allow Keshawn to concentrate on WR only. We'll see, but I'm not sure that Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy, is a luxury we can afford. I also fear the first time a 2nd or 3rd string LB opponent fighting for a roster spot on his team and trying to impress the coaches lays a massive hit on Trindon. I wonder if he'll get up.

This! ^^^

It will be very difficult, IMO, to keep Holliday as purely a KR/PR. Has anyone seen him take any reps at WR, and how has he looked? With our concerns at WR, I'd expect the Texans to keep 6 on the roster. AJ & Walter are for sure. Hard to see them not keep Jean, Martin, and Posey. That leaves Maehl, Johnson, and Holliday for that last 6th spot. Maehl is probably the best special teams player of the group, Johnson gives us experience we desperately need, and then there's Holliday. It'll be a tough battle.

With the moving up of the kickoff line, KRs are less important. IMO, in a regular season game, Holliday won't be taking alot of those kickoffs out of the end zone.

Personally, I'd like to see Martin get some reps as the returner. If Holliday is that much better, then I'm for keeping him... but that means cutting Johnson and Maehl, which I'm ok with.

**EllisUnit** · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Texn4life

I understand he'll only be a pure return man, but in my opinion this guy has to be on the team. There are very few players that make u want to watch them every time they touch the ball and he's on that list. I also think it'll make Keshawn a better player being able to focus solely on the receiver position.

1 return in 1 pre season game HARDLY has me on the edge of my seat every time he touches the ball. BUT with as much depth as we have i "think" he has a good chance to make the team (IF AND ONLY IF he can contantly get us good field position)

Texn4life · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit

1 return in 1 pre season game HARDLY has me on the edge of my seat every time he touches the ball. BUT with as much depth as we have i "think" he has a good chance to make the team (IF AND ONLY IF he can contantly get us good field position)

Then you haven't watched him in college. This guy has rare speed for an NFL player. Any time he touches the ball there's an opportunity for a big play.

**EllisUnit** · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Texn4life

Then you haven't watched him in college. This guy has rare speed for an NFL player. Any time he touches the ball there's an opportunity for a big play.

u must not of seen J.J when he came out of college. IF he can translate college success to the NFL and be a good returner on a consistent basis than hell yeah, but you have to earn a roster sopt. 1 Pre season game and one KR dont do that. If we can use that spot for another good prospect at WR then the decesion isnt so easy.

Texn4life · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit

u must not of seen J.J when he came out of college. IF he can translate college success to the NFL and be a good returner on a consistent basis than hell yeah, but you have to earn a roster sopt. 1 Pre season game and one KR dont do that. If we can use that spot for another good prospect at WR then the decesion isnt so easy.

It wasn't just one return though. He looked good in the return game all night. Just because he only had 1 TD doesn't mean he didn't have other good returns. I agree he'll need to show he can do it consistently but his ability to change a game is a reason Kubiak is giving him a shot.

**EllisUnit** · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Texn4life

It wasn't just one return though. He looked good in the return game all night. Just because he only had 1 TD doesn't mean he didn't have other good returns. I agree he'll need to show he can do it consistently but his ability to change a game is a reason Kubiak is giving him a shot.

I said if in pre season he can give us constant good field position than great.

ALSO keep in ming the panthers had the 31st ranked Kick return coverage in the NFL. This team has been horrible at covering kicks and punts for years.

Fili · 08-12-2012

If he can do it against the 49ers than I say he stays. He scored against the worst overall special team. Panthers were dead last last year, and the 49ers were 2nd overall last year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

Joe Texan · 08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by EllisUnit

u must not of seen J.J when he came out of college. IF he can translate college success to the NFL and be a good returner on a consistent basis than hell yeah, but you have to earn a roster sopt. 1 Pre season game and one KR dont do that. If we can use that spot for another good prospect at WR then the decesion isnt so easy.

The only thing I saw jacoby jones do was fumble and run to mama

08-12-2012	#1
Texn4life Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,120 Rep Power: 10858	Holliday's chances at making the team I understand he'll only be a pure return man, but in my opinion this guy has to be on the team. There are very few players that make u want to watch them every time they touch the ball and he's on that list. I also think it'll make Keshawn a better player being able to focus solely on the receiver position.

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rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,499 Rep Power: 20041	Re: Holliday's chances at making the team I say he is a bubble player, but he gets the green light in my opinion. The pre-season will be important for him, but he is a huge threat with the ball in his hands.

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DexmanC Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,422 Rep Power: 13826	Re: Holliday's chances at making the team I see his chances are good, as Jacoby Jones' position on the team has always been crucial, as a returner. I think Kubiak will keep a pure returner if he proves to be special. He'd better keep hustlin,' though. __________________ R.I.P. EXCUSES (2006-2009) The First Twelve Games (Where Playoff Teams Are Made): 2007: (5-7) \| 2008: (5-7) \| 2009: (5-7) \| 2010: (5-7) \| 2011: (9-3)

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Wolf6151 Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pearland, Texas Posts: 2,707 Rep Power: 6036	Re: Holliday's chances at making the team It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else. We'll see over the next few weeks if he can catch the ball and MAYBE we keep him as WR#6, if we carry that many. Hopefully he'll improve at WR. I agree it would be nice to allow Keshawn to concentrate on WR only. We'll see, but I'm not sure that Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy, is a luxury we can afford. I also fear the first time a 2nd or 3rd string LB opponent fighting for a roster spot on his team and trying to impress the coaches lays a massive hit on Trindon. I wonder if he'll get up.

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powda Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 24382	Re: Holliday's chances at making the team I want to see consistently good returns and good decisions for the next two games. Ultimately, if the Texans keep 6 wideouts and their confident in the other 5 guys he has a shot to make the roster. It sucks but I think his chances to be here hinge on how much they trust posey, martin, and jean.

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Rey Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 11,692 Rep Power: 46112	I've had trindon making the roster every year since he's been here and I don't see any reason to change that now.

08-12-2012	#19
Fili All Pro Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: DeAndre Hopkins' hair Age: 16 Posts: 505 Rep Power: 3040	Re: Holliday's chances at making the team If he can do it against the 49ers than I say he stays. He scored against the worst overall special team. Panthers were dead last last year, and the 49ers were 2nd overall last year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst __________________ "When you expect it," Texans defensive end J.J. Watt said candidly as he stood at his locker, "you don't need to celebrate it."

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