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Old 04-26-2012   #1
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4. Houston Texans (2009)

Starters Found: Brian Cushing (LB), Connor Barwin (LB) and Glover Quin (S)

Contributions From: Antoine Caldwell (G), James Casey (TE), Brice McCain (CB) and Troy Nolan (S)

Best Pick: Brian Cushing

Summary: Just the three starters, but given the way the Texans change things up on offense and how often they’re in their dime defense, they’ve managed to turn essentially everyone of their picks (bar Anthony Hill) into a significant contributor. That’s a huge achievement that no other team has got close to in recent years. Cushing is the star and Barwin proved extremely productive in his third year, but spare some time to applaud the picks of Caldwell (played well enough in 1,145 snaps that the Texans could allow Mike Brisiel to walk), McCain (excelled in the slot), and Casey (a dynamic, versatile playmaker). These guys all contributed to the Texans’ success.
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Not sure what this has to do with last year. It's documented that Phillips gave Smith a list of players he wanted. And Smith drafted 5 of them.

Credit Smith for actually drafting the players. He did move up to take Harris. But it was Phillips' list he was drafting from.
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Last years draft was 2011 not 2009.
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Default Re: Maybe last years draft wasn't all Phillips.

I getcha DB, making the point that it isn't the first time we've drafted well on D.

2009 has turned out to be a good draft, especially when you consider that some people see it as the worst overall draft class of all time (not the Texans' draft class, the draft class as a whole).

Wade definitely made a big contribution last year, but you can't discount that the bulk of the work was done by the scouting team etc with Wade likely picking based on information provided to him.

I also don't know why people are lauding last years draft as some kind of 2006 repeat right now, only 3 of them made any real contribution so far, with potential for more going forward, but we just don't know yet.

You simply have to wait 3 years before beginning to grade a draft, rewind 12 months and I'll give you the general consensus on the 2009 draft -

Cushing - PED pumping rookie season, garbage once he came off the juice
Connor Barwin - reasonable contribution in rookie season, injured sophomore, undecided but with potential
Glover Quin - Poor CB who held the team back
Caldwell - Decent starter about to be beaten out in camp by Briesel
Casey - Can't get ahead of Dreessen on the depth chart, low contribution
McCain - held us back in the worst secondary in football
Troy Nolan - people actually probably rated him higher 12 months ago than they do now.

And yet people already want to grade last years draft as some kind of epic win, I'm quietly confident, but lets wait and see eh?
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I getcha DB, making the point that it isn't the first time we've drafted well on D.

2009 has turned out to be a good draft, especially when you consider that some people see it as the worst overall draft class of all time (not the Texans' draft class, the draft class as a whole).

Wade definitely made a big contribution last year, but you can't discount that the bulk of the work was done by the scouting team etc with Wade likely picking based on information provided to him.

I also don't know why people are lauding last years draft as some kind of 2006 repeat right now, only 3 of them made any real contribution so far, with potential for more going forward, but we just don't know yet.

You simply have to wait 3 years before beginning to grade a draft, rewind 12 months and I'll give you the general consensus on the 2009 draft -

Cushing - PED pumping rookie season, garbage once he came off the juice
Connor Barwin - reasonable contribution in rookie season, injured sophomore, undecided but with potential
Glover Quin - Poor CB who held the team back
Caldwell - Decent starter about to be beaten out in camp by Briesel
Casey - Can't get ahead of Dreessen on the depth chart, low contribution
McCain - held us back in the worst secondary in football
Troy Nolan - people actually probably rated him higher 12 months ago than they do now.

And yet people already want to grade last years draft as some kind of epic win, I'm quietly confident, but lets wait and see eh?
Well, if Cushing played like garbage last year, I certainly hope he continues to play like garbage. I mean WTF?

Edit: Oh that's right - rewind the last 12 months, doh!
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Default Re: Maybe last years draft wasn't all Phillips.

Its everybody. Wade didn't lock Kubiak and Smith in a closet till the draft was over. The Texans are very much into having multiple coaches from both sides of the ball scout players. Wade had more of a plan of attack, and led the players infinitly better than Bush, but he is not 100% responsible for that draft. Thats not the first good draft we have had. Had a few prior to him arriving.
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Last years draft was 2011 not 2009.
Yeah, see... his point was that 2011 was a great draft. But 2009 was a great draft too and it was before Phillips. So maybe Phillips isn't the only reason we had a good draft in 2011.
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Agreed. Bush didn't know his elbow from his *******.
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Agreed. Bush didn't know his elbow from his *******.
True, but he may have some sort of rare disease. Apparently, he can't tell the difference between a bar and his hotel room the night before games in Denver.
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Not sure what this has to do with last year. It's documented that Phillips gave Smith a list of players he wanted. And Smith drafted 5 of them.

Credit Smith for actually drafting the players. He did move up to take Harris. But it was Phillips' list he was drafting from.
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Last years draft was 2011 not 2009.
Did either of you happen to follow the link provided? The article was about the 10 best drafts between 2008 and 2010. I titled the thread the way I did to point out that the Texans have had good drafts before Phillips got here.

I didn't do that to downplay Phillips or overly prop up Smith.

Phillips has definitely been the catalyst for the defensive turn around and a positive influence on the team, as a whole, but Smith is, imho, turning into a rather nice talent evaluator. He's not perfect, but name me a GM who is.
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Not sure what this has to do with last year. It's documented that Phillips gave Smith a list of players he wanted. And Smith drafted 5 of them.

Credit Smith for actually drafting the players. He did move up to take Harris. But it was Phillips' list he was drafting from.
Not that I don't believe you, but where is the documented evidence of this? Just curious because things tend to become fact around here after enough people say it...

I agree with the OP. The FO has gotten better at drafting, before Phillips came in and the trend has continued after he came in.
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Not that I don't believe you, but where is the documented evidence of this? Just curious because things tend to become fact around here after enough people say it...

I agree with the OP. The FO has gotten better at drafting, before Phillips came in and the trend has continued after he came in.
That's very well may be true. Smith all but admitted in his PC and on the 610 interview that he was basically learning on the job. Especially working with other teams.

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That's very well may be true. Smith all but admitted in his PC and on the 610 interview that he was basically learning on the job. Especially working with other teams.



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Correct me if I'm wrong here but are you implying you would rather have a GM who never learns anything about his job?
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2009 Draft has turned into a great draft class!
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Correct me if I'm wrong here but are you implying you would rather have a GM who never learns anything about his job?
No, I'm not. I'm saying he didn't really know how to run a draft when he got here. On the job training, more or less. Similar to that of our owner, who also admitted he was learning as he went
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Not sure what this has to do with last year. It's documented that Phillips gave Smith a list of players he wanted. And Smith drafted 5 of them.

Credit Smith for actually drafting the players. He did move up to take Harris. But it was Phillips' list he was drafting from.
I thought it was the other way around, Smith gave Wade a list and Wade edited it down to who he thought would work in his system and Smith then chose from those names.

I definitely remember the quote you're referring to though.
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