Badboy's 2012 final mock

[badboy]

I expect this one to cause as much discussion and "OH NO! What are you thinking!" as others. I hope you read the entire thread before lashing out as I will lay out my thinking before & possibly after the rounds.

First I want to state that most of my picks from earlier mocks will not be available now such as Kendall Wright. Many are saying he drops to 2nd but I say lol. I am drafting heavy on receivers as most needy position. JJ needs to go and LeStar and Maehl while interesting have little for us to contemplate. If either succeeds, lucky us but not willing to gamble there. OLB is not on my mock and that probably will send many of you to ER. Prior to draft, we have exactly same OLBs we played most of the season with & that depth held up well. I am not drafting OLB before third due to other needs and no OLB 4th and later would beat out what we have.

1. Donta Hightower ILB/OLB Alabama 6'2" 265 4.62 vert: 32" arms 32 5/8
Demeco who? Dont'a starts day one ILB and takes some pressure off Cush who should be even better. This guy strengthens the nose in helping to shut down run. 2011 was first year back from season ending knee surgery & will be even better '12. I mock him mid-season and many thought I was crazy. Some of you now agree.
In '11 he showed increased speed and lateral quickness (knee). 2011 stats:
85 T, 11 TFLs, 4 sacks, 1 INT, 3 passed batted. If Reed or Barwin goes down, he can move to OLB. This actually adds a player to OLB depth. His physique makes AJ look like Clark Kent.

2. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6'3" 216 4.54 I started focusing in mid '11 and was impressed. Stats prob better if he was in a high octane O. Solid WR2 with good hands, routes, vert 37" (caramba!)arms 31 5/8" 82/1315 12 TDs

3. Mike Martin Michigan NT 6' 1 3/8" 36" vert 225 bench 36x extremely strong upper/lower with great anchor, tremendous motor, effective bull rush, sheds double teams & collapses pocket. Allows Mitchell to move back to DE.

4a. Tommy Streeter WR Miami, Fla. 6'4" 215 4.40 vert 33" 46/811 8 TDs. Some will say I'm reaching and I say next AJ in two years. Red Zone that all want.

4b. Ryan Broyles slot/PR OKLA 5'10" 192 4.46 (projected) drops to here only due to injury. Stats in shortened '11 83/1157 Perfect slot and PR career 108/1194 11.1

5. Winston Guy SS/FS/CB Kentucky 6'1"218 who was moved last season to hybrid LB to take advantage of his tackling. He is the utlimate safety for Wade's defense. I've watched for 2 years & mocked him last draft but he returned school. '11: 120T, 14 TFL, 2 passes batted, 2INTs, 1 fumble Career tackling machine who might be gone as high as 3rd. I think move to LB may have cost him. 2010 he ran unofficial 4.46 but I lost link.

6. Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5'9" 212 29/33 FG 55/57 extra pts. Draft or lose. No good UDFA kickers

7. Lonnie Edwards LG Texas Tech 6'4" 322 3 year starter LG. Move Wade Smith to RG to solidify right side and assist Butler. More action to that side now. Edwards to start between Brown and Myers. TT's high powered offense allows Edwards more experience and he fits perfectly zone blocking.

UDFAs: Chad Diehl FB CLemson 6'2" 257 one trick pony but exactly what's needed.
UDFAs: TBob Hebert (yeah that guy's son) LSU C/OG 6'3" 300 started 11 center 2010 and 5 OG 2011. Myer's replacement 2-3 yrs.
UDFA: at least one QB & a TE

[Wolf6151]

1. Hightower, I really like the player and think that he fits the Texans system perfectly, but I don't think the Texans are valuing ILB that highly in this draft and don't think he makes it past Pittsburgh. I don't see a need for a guy who will step into Demeco's shoes and rotate out of the game about half of all defensive snaps.
2. McNutt, I like this pick, lots of good WR's in the 2nd round and he's got size.
3. Martin, I think this is a round early and I'm just not a fan of Martin, can't really explain it , just a feeling.
4a. Streeter, this is a great pick if available. He might not play much the first year but he's got great potential.
4b. Broyles, I'm not a fan especially with the injury, there are to many healthy WR's available to be picking one that might start the year on IR.
5. Guy, as long as he has cover skills this is a good pick, Safety depth is a need. I think the signing of Demps today means you can change this pick.
6. Bullock, this might be your best pick on the board, should solidify K for the next 10-15 yrs.
7. Edwards, depth on the O-line is always a good thing.

You finally have Diehl where he belongs. Good job.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by badboy

1. Donta Hightower ILB/OLB Alabama 6'2" 265 4.62 vert: 32" arms 32 5/8


2. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6'3" 216 4.54

3. Mike Martin Michigan NT 6' 1 3/8" 36" vert 225 bench 36x

4a. Tommy Streeter WR Miami, Fla. 6'4" 215 4.40 vert 33"

4b. Ryan Broyles slot/PR OKLA 5'10" 192 4.46 (projected)

5. Winston Guy SS/FS/CB Kentucky 6'1"218

6. Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5'9" 212 29/33 FG 55/57 extra pts.

7. Lonnie Edwards LG Texas Tech 6'4" 322

UDFAs: Chad Diehl FB CLemson 6'2" 257 one trick pony but exactly what's needed.
UDFAs: TBob Hebert (yeah that guy's son) LSU C/OG 6'3" 300 started 11 center 2010 and 5 OG 2011. Myer's replacement 2-3 yrs.
UDFA: at least one QB & a TE

I like it; if the Texans draft turns out this way i would be a happy fan.

Hightower- ILB is a need, and Hightower fills it. Good player at a good spot in the round.

McNutt- Not wild about the guy, but he should become a decent number 2 receiver. A safe pick, in my opinion. Wont be a "wow" guy, but at the end of the year you will look at how much he produced and will take notice.

Martin- LOVE IT!!!

Streeter- Boom or bust guy in my opinion. On one hand, he certainly looks the part. On the other, he is a bit of a one year wonder, and I do question his hands a bit.

Broyles- I like the player, but you are going pretty heavy on receivers. Get rid of Streeter and you have yourself a deal. That is not to say I would be unhappy here- I like the player. I just think 3 WR's is a bit excessive.

Guy- Nice pick.

Bullock- Nice pick

Edwards- this late we all have our pet players. I am not a fan, but what the heck, it is the 7th round.

Your UDFAs look solid as well.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

I like it; if the Texans draft turns out this way i would be a happy fan.

Hightower- ILB is a need, and Hightower fills it. Good player at a good spot in the round.

McNutt- Not wild about the guy, but he should become a decent number 2 receiver. A safe pick, in my opinion. Wont be a "wow" guy, but at the end of the year you will look at how much he produced and will take notice.

Martin- LOVE IT!!!

Streeter- Boom or bust guy in my opinion. On one hand, he certainly looks the part. On the other, he is a bit of a one year wonder, and I do question his hands a bit.

Broyles- I like the player, but you are going pretty heavy on receivers. Get rid of Streeter and you have yourself a deal. That is not to say I would be unhappy here- I like the player. I just think 3 WR's is a bit excessive.

Guy- Nice pick.

Bullock- Nice pick

Edwards- this late we all have our pet players. I am not a fan, but what the heck, it is the 7th round.

Your UDFAs look solid as well.

I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

But that is only if Streeter pans out. In my opinion, McNutt is a pretty safe bet to become a solid 2 receiver, worst case scenario he becomes a 3rd option kind of guy. Streeter could be good, but I think he busts in the pros. I would rather have a sure number two picked in the second than a 5th receiver picked in the 4th.

[Corrosion]

I like it ....

[Lucky]

I would've taken more wide receivers. And more cowbell.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

But that is only if Streeter pans out. In my opinion, McNutt is a pretty safe bet to become a solid 2 receiver, worst case scenario he becomes a 3rd option kind of guy. Streeter could be good, but I think he busts in the pros. I would rather have a sure number two picked in the second than a 5th receiver picked in the 4th.

best case both are good and we are set.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

so what in your opinion was Jacoby Jones or is it no big deal?

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

so what in your opinion was Jacoby Jones or is it no big deal?

Jacoby was drafted before the middle of the third.
None of us knew much about him at the time.

As a third rounder, you expect a serviceable 2nd receiver, which he was.

The fact that I was probably the first one who raised concern about his small hands at his first TC (and his lack of focus from time to time in the years following) aside, Jacoby wasn't a bad deal, except the coaches also wanted to see him as a playmaker in special team. He gave them some, he took away some. I was among those who would rather not have him on special team despite the fact that he can give us some good return.

Personally, I had no clue as to how Jacoby would fare as a NFL prospect because I had no tape on him, so I didn't have an opinion on him as a prospect.
I only had an opinion on how the coaches wanted more value and tried to get more out of something that wasn't quite there.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

Exactly my thinking. I did not begin focusing on McNutt until about mid-season but he just looks solid. AS 65 said, no "WOW" but I think WR2.Streeter could bust but nothing to indicate he will not repeat last season and with our offense...could be money in the bank. Isn't Hill the same as a boom or bust guy? Maehl or LeStar Jean could bust or boom also and we need something to hit for back end of corps. I'm willing to give Streeter until his second year to develop.