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Old 02-23-2012   #1
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Texans don’t need starters, but they’ll look for some finishers
by John McClain

INDIANAPOLIS — For the first time since he became the Texans’ coach in 2006, Gary Kubiak did not come to the scouting combine looking for a starter in the NFL draft.

The Texans are coming off their best season — a 10-6 record, an AFC South title and a first-round playoff victory — and for the first time, they’re not desperate for a starter in the first round of the draft.

Aside from defensive tackle Amobi Okoye (2007), every first-round pick since Kubiak became coach started last season. The Texans have the 26th pick — tied for the lowest they’ve ever selected. General manager Rick Smith traded down two times in 2008 before he selected offensive tackle Duane Brown.

Even if the Texans lose outside linebacker Mario Williams in free agency, they won’t have to draft a starter to replace him because they have Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed.

That’s quite a contrast to last year, when the Texans were desperate to repair a defense that ranked 30th, including 32nd against the pass. They used their top five picks on defensive players, and the first two — defensive end J.J. Watt and Reed — started for a defense that improved to second in Wade Phillips’ first season as coordinator.

“Nothing we’ve done is going to change the way we approach the combine,” Kubiak said Wednesday. “I’m always going to approach the combine and the draft like we hope our first-round pick is good enough to start.

“Now, if he doesn’t end up starting, it shows how much better we’ve gotten as a team.”

Kubiak and Smith have brought a large contingent of Texans personnel, including scouts, executives, coaches, doctors and trainers. They’ll be able to interview 60 players for 15 minutes each. They’ll watch the workouts and prepare for the next part of the scouting process — pro days on college campuses.

Unlike last year, when Smith and vice president of football administration Chris Olsen found enough cap space to sign cornerback Johnathan Joseph and free safety Danieal Manning as free agents, the Texans won’t be active in free agency. Their plan is to re-sign their free agents — beginning with Williams — and to get others to sign extensions.

Not pursuing free agents on other teams places more emphasis on the draft. The Texans won’t disclose anything publicly, but they need a wide receiver. If Williams leaves, they’ll need an outside linebacker in the first two rounds. They’ll look for an interior offensive lineman.

And Kubiak’s philosophy is that a team can never have enough cornerbacks.

“Our philosophy hasn’t changed,” Kubiak said. “The draft is very important. We drafted very well last year and expect to again. This (combine) is an exciting part of the process.”
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1 playoff series win and now the texans are kings of the hill forever. Kinda funny if you ask me. The combine isn't where you look for a starter,but drafting in the 1st 2 rds is the place they should look. A nt or wr should be ale to compete for a starting spot given what they have at those spots. Poe,jefferey,alameeda, are just a few to name who can put pressure on the starters.
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1 playoff series win and now the texans are kings of the hill forever. Kinda funny if you ask me. The combine isn't where you look for a starter,but drafting in the 1st 2 rds is the place they should look. A nt or wr should be ale to compete for a starting spot given what they have at those spots. Poe,jefferey,alameeda, are just a few to name who can put pressure on the starters.
yep, I don't like the way the article was phrased about that. I don't know why but I feel this draft is hugely important because there are a lot of guys that are going to get raises within a quick period of time within the next 2 years. (if memory serves me right with our FA coming up)

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If McClain keeps writing that we aren't going to do much in Free Agency because of the cap I think we will go after a very solid FA WR and have plenty of money available.

Looks like the typical spin from McClain the Minister of Propoganda.
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If McClain keeps writing that we aren't going to do much in Free Agency because of the cap I think we will go after a very solid FA WR and have plenty of money available.

Looks like the typical spin from McClain the Minister of Propoganda.

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If McClain keeps writing that we aren't going to do much in Free Agency because of the cap I think we will go after a very solid FA WR and have plenty of money available.

Looks like the typical spin from McClain the Minister of Propoganda.
I think he just speculates like we do. But he has a badge and we don't.

Watch the Texans dump Mario and go grab a free agent WR and another free agent CB to pair with Joseph. LOL. If that happened, John McClain should call it a career and find more horse racing movies to be in.

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Joined board in 2004 because I loved the Texans & wanted to know more about future players, aka via the draft, because we all knew even back then very few would still be with this team today.

The Draft is everything. It's where College & Pro games merge, its exciting & its hard not to root for these young men to become successful as Texans. I don't think McClain said anything wrong here & I agree with this -
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First Round: Rueben Randle, WR, LSU, 6-4 208

Second Round: Jonathan Massaquoi, OLB, Troy, 6-3 250

First Round: TY Hilton, WR/KR, Florida International, 5-10 184
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Is Gary going to the combine this yr?

Or has he scheduled another elective surgery?

I would love to see the Texansign Brandon Carr and Meachem.

If they cant afford Meachem, a low cost alternative deep threat could be Chaz Schillens.
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I think he just speculates like we do. But he has a badge and we don't.
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General manager Rick Smith traded down two times in 2008 before he selected offensive tackle Duane Brown.
just random wrong stuff like that which he always throws into articles annoys me... we traded down....once.... with the ravens. most texans fans could tell you that. if he forgot it takes 2 seconds to check google if youve forgotten. just shows he (or his editors) cant be arsed to check anything
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Not pursuing free agents on other teams places more emphasis on the draft. The Texans won’t disclose anything publicly, but they need a wide receiver. If Williams leaves, they’ll need an outside linebacker in the first two rounds. They’ll look for an interior offensive lineman.

And Kubiak’s philosophy is that a team can never have enough cornerbacks.
I hate how McLain throws crap like this out as if he has some inside information.
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Two things I'm sick of hearing.





1.) We are going to draft a wide receiver in the first round.

Really? This is what the majority of the fans and the media thinks. Yet I haven't seen a single quote or heard a single sound bite from someone inside the organization say this. Walter is a coaches favorite and JJ just signed a new contract last year. I don't think Smithiack views WR as big a need as everyone else.

2.) If Williams leaves, they’ll need an outside linebacker in the first two rounds.

Why? Why in the first two rounds? We have our starters.
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2.) If Williams leaves, they’ll need an outside linebacker in the first two rounds.

Why? Why in the first two rounds? We have our starters.
I would assume because of the same reasoning as last year.

They had Williams and Barwin, but still targeted on OLB early. Brahmin is nice as a backup, but I wouldn't want him going into the season as your only depth.
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A couple of thoughts:

1) teams are always looking for starters. They are just talking PC so nobody gets their widdle feelings hurtz.

2) McClain's opinion pieces are not as good as one may think as he has been around football for so long...but not everyone has a good eye for what they are looking at. JM is one of them. He's at his best when relaying information from his contacts and from his direct contact with the movers and shakers in the league. I don't really pay much attention to his opinion pieces simply because historically unless he states the obvious he hasn't been all that astute.

3) I already miss football season. I like the game itself much more than the drama and speculation of the off-season.
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A couple of thoughts:

1) teams are always looking for starters. They are just talking PC so nobody gets their widdle feelings hurtz.

2) McClain's opinion pieces are not as good as one may think as he has been around football for so long...but not everyone has a good eye for what they are looking at. JM is one of them. He's at his best when relaying information from his contacts and from his direct contact with the movers and shakers in the league. I don't really pay much attention to his opinion pieces simply because historically unless he states the obvious he hasn't been all that astute.

3) I already miss football season. I like the game itself much more than the drama and speculation of the off-season.
Damn, Vinny, I thought I was the only one. Cm'on, at least OTAs.
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I would assume because of the same reasoning as last year.

They had Williams and Barwin, but still targeted on OLB early. Brahmin is nice as a backup, but I wouldn't want him going into the season as your only depth.
Last year they didn't really talk about MW going to OLB until after the draft if I recall correctly...
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I would assume because of the same reasoning as last year.They had Williams and Barwin, but still targeted on OLB early.
They weren't even considering Williams at OLB until they drafted Watt.

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Brahmin is nice as a backup, but I wouldn't want him going into the season as your only depth.
So we HAVE to use our first or second round pick ON DEPTH? Not saying we shouldn't if the right guy is there in the right situation. But what if in both rounds there is a player that has a real chance at starting at another position?

I'm all for drafting OL, DL and pass rushers early and often. Can't have enough good ones. But to make blanket statements like that is silly and unrealistic.
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They weren't even considering Williams at OLB until they drafted Watt.
Unlikely. If they weren't considering Williams at OLB, they wouldn't have drafted Watt.

I mean really. How does that conversation go?

"OH HELL! We just drafted Watt! What are we going to do with Mario?"
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So we HAVE to use our first or second round pick ON DEPTH? Not saying we shouldn't if the right guy is there in the right situation. But what if in both rounds there is a player that has a real chance at starting at another position?

I'm all for drafting OL, DL and pass rushers early and often. Can't have enough good ones. But to make blanket statements like that is silly and unrealistic.

We don't have to, but I'd bet it's pretty likely. If Mario's gone, it'll be a shocker if they don't draft an OLB in the first 3 rounds.
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Two things I'm sick of hearing.





1.) We are going to draft a wide receiver in the first round.

Really? This is what the majority of the fans and the media thinks. Yet I haven't seen a single quote or heard a single sound bite from someone inside the organization say this. Walter is a coaches favorite and JJ just signed a new contract last year. I don't think Smithiack views WR as big a need as everyone else.

2.) If Williams leaves, they’ll need an outside linebacker in the first two rounds.

Why? Why in the first two rounds? We have our starters.
When do teams/front offices ever openly discuss who or what positions they're targeting high in the draft, before the draft?
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Two things I'm sick of hearing.





1.) We are going to draft a wide receiver in the first round.

Really? This is what the majority of the fans and the media thinks. Yet I haven't seen a single quote or heard a single sound bite from someone inside the organization say this. Walter is a coaches favorite and JJ just signed a new contract last year. I don't think Smithiack views WR as big a need as everyone else.

2.) If Williams leaves, they’ll need an outside linebacker in the first two rounds.

Why? Why in the first two rounds? We have our starters.
Does this count...

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By Paul Kuharsky

INDIANAPOLIS -- While still backing Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones, Texans coach Gary Kubiak conceded this week the Texans are looking for a wide receiver.



wide receiver Rueben Randle could be of interest to the Texans at No. 26.
One draft prospect who looks like a nice fit to play with, and eventually succeed, Andre Johnson is LSU’s Rueben Randle.

At just under 6-foot-3 and 210 pounds, he’s a nice combination of size, strength and speed. He’s a willing blocker which also makes him a potential fit for Houston, which drafts 26th in the first round.

“I try to model myself after Calvin Johnson, he’s a big body receiver," Randle said. “He makes a lot of plays deep down the field and also yards after the catch. I try to model myself in that kind of way.”

Johnson’s also been on Randle’s radar.

“You’ve got no choice but to look at him," Randle said. “He makes plays each and every Sunday whether it’s two guys on him, three he just goes and makes plays on the ball and the quarterback trusts him. That’s the kind of thing I’m trying to build with the quarterbacks I play with.

“…That’d be great (to play with him). I’m pretty sure he’s going to get a lot of attention, that would free me up a little bit so it wouldn’t be much of a struggle for me. It’d be great to play with a great receiver like Andre Johnson, I’d just look forward to that.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...r-texans-at-26

As much as you're sick of hearing about the Texans taking a wide receiver in the first round... it doesn't change the fact that will be what they will most likely do.. It's the biggest need on this team and even if they don't spend a first round pick on a WR... you can be assured that their 2nd round pick will be spent on a WR. This is a very good WR draft and they're going to get one early.

As far as BPA goes... No G.M. really takes the BPA approach.. all G.M.s draft for team needs. I wish they'd just come out and say "they draft the BPA at their positions of need". So like Arlington said above... this isn't a Rick Smith or Gary issue, it's what every G.M. does and that's the reason why J.J. Watt is on this team. They had Aldon Smith rated higher, but when he was gone they took the next best available front 7 player. It really wasn't about getting just a OLBer, but a player who could dominate in the front 7. They then took the next best available OLBer with their 2nd round pick which rounded out their front 7 needs.

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