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Old 02-12-2012   #1
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1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
4. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
5. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
6. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
7. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
8. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
9. David DeCastro OG Stanford
10. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
11. Michael Brockers DT LSU
12. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
13. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Melvin Ingram DE/OLB South Carolina
17. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
18. Devon Still DT Penn State
19. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
20. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
21. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
22. Cordy Glenn OG/OT Georgia
23. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
24. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
25. Nick Foles QB Arizona
26. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
27. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin
28. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona State
31. Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
32. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois


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You should print out this list as the draft approaches and then check their names off while you watch the draft to see many you get right if you do not already do that by now anyway maybe you do.
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You should print out this list as the draft approaches and then check their names off while you watch the draft to see many you get right if you do not already do that by now anyway maybe you do.
Just because another team grabs another guy doesn't mean he was a better player... i.e. I don't think the order players get drafted can be used to see how many he got "right"

This is a little different than a mock.

Though they say they draft BPA, it's always with needs in mind. Even if St Louis had the #1 pick, there's no way they'll draft Luck or RGIII. That does not mean they are not the best football players in this draft.

If, however, St. Louis drafts Michael Floyd instead of Blackmon, they are saying they believe Floyd is better for their system.... ala Heyward-Bey over Crabtree or Maclin. "We" felt Crabtree & Maclin were the better WRs before the draft, after the draft, & 3 seasons later. Heyward-Bey getting drafted first does not make him a better WR than Crabtree or Maclin, (or Harvin, Nicks, or Brit)

However, if I were to make a list such as this, I would track who comes off & when. Then when my Texans are on the clock I'd take stock of who dropped & compare my "thinking" with the FO, just to see if we're on the same page.
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Just because another team grabs another guy doesn't mean he was a better player... i.e. I don't think the order players get drafted can be used to see how many he got "right"

This is a little different than a mock.

Though they say they draft BPA, it's always with needs in mind. Even if St Louis had the #1 pick, there's no way they'll draft Luck or RGIII. That does not mean they are not the best football players in this draft.

If, however, St. Louis drafts Michael Floyd instead of Blackmon, they are saying they believe Floyd is better for their system.... ala Heyward-Bey over Crabtree or Maclin. "We" felt Crabtree & Maclin were the better WRs before the draft, after the draft, & 3 seasons later. Heyward-Bey getting drafted first does not make him a better WR than Crabtree or Maclin, (or Harvin, Nicks, or Brit)

However, if I were to make a list such as this, I would track who comes off & when. Then when my Texans are on the clock I'd take stock of who dropped & compare my "thinking" with the FO, just to see if we're on the same page.
yep, plus it's still early. slipped some QB's in it at the end because it's a position which gets picked earlier than grade might suggest so these are the guys who I would lay money on to be successful early on, hence worth the risk. It's a grey area end of first round anyway, most don't carry first round grades or teams draft, like you say, for need over BPA so you can usually find plus value here, meaning you don't have to suck to add a starter even late in round one which I'm hopeful Texans can accomplish.
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"HOT" off the press from me to you, enjoy
Out of curiosity, I know this is your best 32, how much did the opinions of rmartin & bb affect where you rank these guys? Did you take into account any of the "known" sportswriters' opinions? Kiper, Brooks?

Will you & the others put out your "Mock Texans' big board?"

How deep is your "real" list?
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Out of curiosity, I know this is your best 32, how much did the opinions of rmartin & bb affect where you rank these guys? Did you take into account any of the "known" sportswriters' opinions? Kiper, Brooks?

Will you & the others put out your "Mock Texans' big board?"

How deep is your "real" list?
of course they carry weight. however in the end it's on me to make who I feel is the best talent available. maybe if I subscribed to ESPN Scout or whatever it's called, Kiper & McShay opinions would also carry some weight, but I don't. Instead I try to base opinion on my own work, watching actual game tape, practices, interviews that kind of thing. Notice I don't have Dontari Poe included which I see a lot in mock drafts & big boards, I tried too but couldn't catch a Memphis game or recorded film of him performing. Doesn't mean he's not worthy of a top 32 grade, just that I haven't seen it.

Draft guys I respect include Maycock, Lomardi, Nolan Nawrocki, of course both LZ & John Harris of The Sideline. For example here is their write-up on Kendall Wright, now a sure trade up option if Texans target him.
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As with other receivers that come from a spread option, Wright could use work sharpening his routes and might have issues separating from defensive backs initially at the next level. Still, many draft analysts consider him to be a late first, possibly early second round range. When he runs at the combine, however, I predict his stock to be solidly in the first because he’ll be faster than any receiver that has a chance to be drafted in the first two rounds. The recent success of receivers such as Mike Wallace, DeSean Jackson and Carolina’s Steve Smith will help the notion that a player of Wright’s size can be an elite talent despite his diminutive size.
My take is focus on his production. Look at his numbers, forget about his return skills. 108 receptions in 2011 alone. 1663 total yards with a 15.40 average per catch. combine those two numbers together & it shows he has both ability to separate & create for plus yardage. Throw in 14 TD's means he can finish plays. Great hands, body control, expect a top 5 shuttle time, vertical should also be outstanding @ the combine, not worried about his forty, knows the route tree & is most pro ready after Blackmon. Which all comes into play in regards to his draft grade assigned.
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Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls
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Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls
BL do you project Blackmon, Wright, Floyd and Jeffery will all be selected top 25 or will one of them be #26. As I mentioned in PM I am concerned Wright will go high.
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Some players work out and other do not I just thought it would be a little fun. I apologize. I was just looking the order predicted not so much who's draft board is better or is more right.
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BL do you project Blackmon, Wright, Floyd and Jeffery will all be selected top 25 or will one of them be #26. As I mentioned in PM I am concerned Wright will go high.
Jeffery has best chance of names you mentioned.
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Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls
I agree with this 100%. Especially when you have the Browns ahead of us who might take RG3 and could definitely use a matching WR, by the name of Wright, to make their team more competitive.
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Not a lot of pass rushers in your top 32. I'm surprised to see Weedon in there.
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Not a lot of pass rushers in your top 32. I'm surprised to see Weedon in there.
Has the experience & production for position to be selected somewhere in the first round just have no idea where? #2 in the country yardage per game 363.6 (behind Case Keenum) with passer rating of 159.78. The good thing for him is he impressed scouts in practice Senior Bowl week, was considered the best QB prospect of that group. I like Weeden & Foles over Tannehill as more near term resolutions for NFL teams starved for decent QB play.
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Has the experience & production for position to be selected somewhere in the first round just have no idea where? #2 in the country yardage per game 363.6 (behind Case Keenum) with passer rating of 159.78. The good thing for him is he impressed scouts in practice Senior Bowl week, was considered the best QB prospect of that group. I like Weeden & Foles over Tannehill as more near term resolutions for NFL teams starved for decent QB play.
I gotcha, I like Weedon's talent too, but I can't get over the fact that he's 28 and will be 29 in October. If he's not gonna be starting for at least a year or two, he won't be playing significant time until he's almost 31, and that just seems wasteful to me unless you draft him specifically as a backup. In that case, you might as well get someone younger who can develop into a longer term solution than the guy who is closer to being irrelevant.
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I gotcha, I like Weedon's talent too, but I can't get over the fact that he's 28 and will be 29 in October. If he's not gonna be starting for at least a year or two, he won't be playing significant time until he's almost 31, and that just seems wasteful to me unless you draft him specifically as a backup. In that case, you might as well get someone younger who can develop into a longer term solution than the guy who is closer to being irrelevant.
I've heard that some teams view his age & maturity as an asset for QB position. That his experience is beneficial, he will be focused, more dedicated to film study, responsibility & accountability towards coaches & teammates.
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I've heard that some teams view his age & maturity as an asset for QB position. That his experience is beneficial, he will be focused, more dedicated to film study, responsibility & accountability towards coaches & teammates.
But what is the plan if you draft him? What team do you see using a 1st or high 2nd on him? I think he could be a capable backup, I just don't see a team starting him immediately, or in the first 2 years. By that time he's 30, and moving on up in age. Is the plan to start him year 3?

The problem is you don't have the luxury of developing him over 4 years of a rookie contract like you do with most drafted QBs. Most draftees are younger at the end of their rookie deal than Weedon is when you draft him. It just seems like a poor investment to me and limits the team's potential to get a return on their high pick. If he was taken in the 4th or later, then no big deal, but spending a 1st or 2nd on him seems like a waste.
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1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
4. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
5. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
6. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
7. Michael Brockers DT LSU
8. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
9. David DeCastro OG Stanford
10. Devon Still DT Penn State
11. Melvin Ingram DE/OLB South Carolina
12. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
13. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
17. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
18. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
19. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
20. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
21. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
22. Cordy Glenn OG/OT Georgia
23. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
24. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
25. Dre Kirkpatrick FS/CB Alabama
26. Andre Branch DE Clemson
27. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin
28. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Rueben Randle WR LSU
31. Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
32. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State


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praying for a trade down.
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In the end there will be a guy sitting there #26 Texans covet
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In the end there will be a guy sitting there #26 Texans covet
There may be 3 guys they covet, which would allow them to trade down. They coveted Duane Brown in 2008, and still moved down. The question is, as always, will there be someone at #26 that is so coveted by another team that they will move up to get him?
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