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Old 01-10-2012   #1
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This is probably most difficult mock I've ever created. Believe or not the 4th round was my obstacle. I kept plugging the spot and changing it two hours later. I also have hinted at some surprises that cause consternation but I ask you to carefully consider my guys and then rip me a new one. Here we go.

1. #24 WR Kendall Wright 5'10 190 4.49 (has run a 4.39) can play either flanker or slot. Pulls ball down against taller DBs. Excellent everything. We don't need tall we need good opposite AJ. Stats: 108/1663 15.4 avg & 14 TDS

2. #56 DT/DE Derek Wolfe 6'5" 300 replaces A. Smith later & is great depth

3. # 88 WR Jordan White plays both positions. 6' 215 4.48 140/1911 13.7 17 TDs. He will be 24 in June as he was a 6 year player. Some consider a reach this high but if you've watched, he is a ball magnet.

4. #120 LG Lonnie Edwards 6'5" 320 with good feet &anchor. Replaces W Smith.

5. #152 NT Mister Cobble 6' 332 with quick burst & disrupts pocket. Kentucky. When I first heard of this guy I nicknamed him MR. Gobble & thought I was clever. Man was I wrong. Minimal film and he was almost ruled inelig for 2011 due to grades. He admitted he was just lazy enterring his college years. Almost didn't make team & responded well late season. Brute strength & unbelievable quick off the ball. Combo of of Dontari Poe & Ta'Amu. Ended up with 33 tackle 3 for loss & a sack. Could be best of all picks. He can set & learn or move Mitchell to DE.

6. #184 QB Case Keenum you know the crazy stats so I won't post all but 5600yds 48 TDs & 5 INTs? System QB or not he is deadly accurate.

7. #216 FB Chad Diehl pure power blocker. He catches like Vickers but blocks like an avalanche rolling downhill. Yeah, you got it. 6'2" 265.
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4. #120 LG Lonnie Edwards 6'5" 320 with good feet &anchor. Replaces W Smith.
All looks good to me, but why do you want to replace Wade Smith? He's under contract for another year or two, Brisiel is going to be a free agent, and I always thought Mike was the lesser of the two guards.
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1. Wright, we've been through this pick a bunch of times, I'm against it. Wright is a very good football player with lots of talent but I just can't get over the size issue when there are equally good WR's who don't have this issue. I just don't think he fits the Texans needs.
2. Wolfe, I don't know much about him but what I read is positive and he's got great size and speed combo for the position. In a weak year for D-line talent he stands a good chance of being gone in the late 2nd round. If available he's a good value pick but I see bigger needs on the O-line and DE depth can wait til later in the draft.
3. White, I like the player and I appreciate the double dip on an important position of need, he could be some quality depth if we let Jacoby walk. Again I like a bigger WR but he could be good in a David Anderson type roll, #4 possession receiver with potential for YAC.
4. Edwards, I don't know alot about him but he's got great size for the position and could be some quality depth where it's needed. Hopefully he learns for a yr. or 2 til needed to replace someone. I'd like to see O-line alot earlier in the draft.
5. Cobble, I don't know anything about him and find it hard to believe that a guy of his height and weight could be quick off the line. I'll have to trust you on this one. He's a redshirt sophomore and might not declare for the draft.
6. Keenum, he's great in college but I just don't see the pro potential in Keenum. ehhhh pick.
7. Diehl, great FB but very one dimensional and I think he can be had as an UDFA. How long did we sign Vickers for? If he's good he'd save us money over Vickers salary.

I usually like your drafts but overall I'm just not loving this one, it reads to me like your trying to hard and over thinking it. Sorry. Wolfe in the 2nd is the best value pick if available but we've got bigger needs in the 2nd. I thought you were liking Zeitler in the 2nd?
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I wouldn't be pissed about Wright, I just think there's probably better picks to be had. The 2nd round DL, no thanks, there are pressing issues in the secondary and on offense. 3-6 sounds good, don't know the players though, that's on me lol...Keenum would be an interesting pick but where exactly would he fit in behind Shoop, Leinart AND Yates? Better picks to be had. Gotta love the Diehler pick, I've been pimping that one for a while. I highly doubt a bruiser like him slips out of the draft, I'd even grab him in the 6th and pick another player later.
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I wouldn't be pissed about Wright, I just think there's probably better picks to be had. The 2nd round DL, no thanks, there are pressing issues in the secondary and on offense. 3-6 sounds good, don't know the players though, that's on me lol...Keenum would be an interesting pick but where exactly would he fit in behind Shoop, Leinart AND Yates? Better picks to be had. Gotta love the Diehler pick, I've been pimping that one for a while. I highly doubt a bruiser like him slips out of the draft, I'd even grab him in the 6th and pick another player later.
Lienart will likely be cut or traded. He's owed 3 million next year and clearly is not the second best QB on the team. Move Yates up to 2nd string and choose another QB for 3rd or the Texans could keep Delhomme on as the 3rd stringer.
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Lienart will likely be cut or traded. He's owed 3 million next year and clearly is not the second best QB on the team. Move Yates up to 2nd string and choose another QB for 3rd or the Texans could keep Delhomme on as the 3rd stringer.
I doubt they cut him. There would be little questioning keeping all 3 guys but if they're going to trade someone......trade Schoop. That's my opinion anyway...

Keenum won't get drafted. No way. Scouts will knock his age and the competition he played against. It was a helluva ride but Keenum's got LOTS of proving to do and no major bowl game to do it in. Senior game? Combine invite? We'll see...
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Remember, you asked for it. Start ripping.

1. Wright, we've been through this pick a bunch of times, I'm against it. Wright is a very good football player with lots of talent but I just can't get over the size issue when there are equally good WR's who don't have this issue. I just don't think he fits the Texans needs.
2. Wolfe, I don't know much about him but what I read is positive and he's got great size and speed combo for the position. In a weak year for D-line talent he stands a good chance of being gone in the late 2nd round. If available he's a good value pick but I see bigger needs on the O-line and DE depth can wait til later in the draft.
3. White, I like the player and I appreciate the double dip on an important position of need, he could be some quality depth if we let Jacoby walk. Again I like a bigger WR but he could be good in a David Anderson type roll, #4 possession receiver with potential for YAC.
4. Edwards, I don't know alot about him but he's got great size for the position and could be some quality depth where it's needed. Hopefully he learns for a yr. or 2 til needed to replace someone. I'd like to see O-line alot earlier in the draft.
5. Cobble, I don't know anything about him and find it hard to believe that a guy of his height and weight could be quick off the line. I'll have to trust you on this one. He's a redshirt sophomore and might not declare for the draft.
6. Keenum, he's great in college but I just don't see the pro potential in Keenum. ehhhh pick.
7. Diehl, great FB but very one dimensional and I think he can be had as an UDFA. How long did we sign Vickers for? If he's good he'd save us money over Vickers salary.

I usually like your drafts but overall I'm just not loving this one, it reads to me like your trying to hard and over thinking it. Sorry. Wolfe in the 2nd is the best value pick if available but we've got bigger needs in the 2nd. I thought you were liking Zeitler in the 2nd?
Understand we disagree on WRs. We have tried JJ 6'2"and Bryant Johnson 6'3" with minimal success. I want speed and good hands. Both White and Wright weave thru heavy traffic and get the ball. The yards and ypc are awesome. As far as Red Zone, I want it to go to AJ or Daniels or Dreesen.

Vickers signed a one year deal. Diehl is one dimensional as I said but that is like saying a brain surgeon can only do brain surgery, well yeah.

Without using "systems QB" tell me why you think Keenum can't play NFL.

There were several players that I had to remove from my boards as they moved up.
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Understand we disagree on WRs. We have tried JJ 6'2"and Bryant Johnson 6'3" with minimal success. I want speed and good hands. Both White and Wright weave thru heavy traffic and get the ball. The yards and ypc are awesome. As far as Red Zone, I want it to go to AJ or Daniels or Dreesen.

Vickers signed a one year deal. Diehl is one dimensional as I said but that is like saying a brain surgeon can only do brain surgery, well yeah.

Without using "systems QB" tell me why you think Keenum can't play NFL.

There were several players that I had to remove from my boards as they moved up.
I'm not say height is the only factor important to a WR, you know that. JJ and B. Johnson don't run very good routes, or have great hands so they're not successful and don't have the quick speed to gain separation. If I've got 2 WR's that can do everything well then I'm taking the taller of the 2. Height is one advantage that most WR's have over CB's and I don't want to give up that advantage. Also CB's in the NFL are getting taller and stronger as well, short skinny guys will have trouble running their routes with physical CB's jamming them at the line or re-routing them.

As for Diehl, Kubiak has made it known that he doesn't like a one trick pony. I'd sign Diehl as an UDFA and give him a tryout in camp but roster positions are precious so teams don't like a guy that can only do one thing well especially a rookie.

I still think we can get Zeitler in the 2nd round. I've seen some mocks with him in the 3rd and 4th rounds though the 4th round sounds crazy. I'm keeping him on my mock in the 2nd, I just wish there were some way to get him and Chapman in the 2nd round.

My feelings on Keenum are hard to quantify. He's short, he's a system QB, never faced high level talent in Conference USA, he took 6 yrs. to do what most guys do in 3 or 4 yrs.. I think he has the capability to be a decent game managing backup QB who's smart and won't turn over the ball but isn't going to carry a team to or through the playoffs. I don't see starter potential in him. I wish him the best and hope that he has the work ethic and can prove me wrong. I'd love to look back and say I was wrong on that guy.

I also think Leinart will be a roster cut next year, to expensive for the 3rd string. I was hoping he could showcase his talent and we could get something good for him in trade, right now I'd take 2 hot cheerleader with implants and a groundskeeper with a new riding mower for him.
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badboy, I agree with your 1st rd by position but, would like to see a bigger WR than Wright. Like wolf mentioned, Kubiak seems to prefer taller WR. 2nd rd, I prefer G and 3rd, ILB. We were really short handed in both G and ILB position this year and I feel we need to find quality back up that able to start when needed. Prior to this season, I wanted NT at 1st rd however, after watching regular season games, I think we are OK with Cody and Mitchell for now. Perhaps to look NT in the later rounds? What do you think?
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All looks good to me, but why do you want to replace Wade Smith? He's under contract for another year or two, Brisiel is going to be a free agent, and I always thought Mike was the lesser of the two guards.
My believe is we don't have any starter other than WR2 that will be replace next season by a draft pick. Smith is weakest link on Oline imo so I draft a OG that will eventually replace him. It says something that we are now able to add quality depth and begin to release players end of bench.

Brisiel is 28 and comes with the heart that Kubiak loves. Just this year he returned after one play on an ankle sprain. He later broke his leg and played quite a while on it (until half time IIRC) then returned to team after couple games. I really wanted Zeitler for right side but he will be gone before we select. I think your opinion of Mike being lesser of two OG is not the opinion of management.
I think Wade will start at least one more season and Brisiel will be re-signed.
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