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Old 12-22-2011   #1
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Default Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)

We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.
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I want to see what happens if Andre comes back, but yeah as of today as constituted nothings gonna happen.

This is why I prefer a superstar offense over a great defense. A great defense is great but doesn't mean a lick of a shit if you can't score points to win. **** that style of play. **** the Jets.
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I want to see what happens if Andre comes back, but yeah as of today as constituted nothings gonna happen.

This is why I prefer a superstar offense over a great defense. A great defense is great but doesn't mean a lick of a shit if you can't score points to win. **** that style of play. **** the Jets.
The Texans have won with great defense all season long, so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. They've had the best season of their existence. When you don't let your QB hardly play and handcuff him like that and "expect" your defense to do all of the work, then you're asking to much and the law of averages will catch up with you. We lost because of that.
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I think a lot of people are forgetting that we also beat ATL and Cincy with Yates at QB.
One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.
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One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.
Exactly. I said in another thread I would love to see an open Playbook with Kubes encouraging shots downfield next week. We have really nothing to gain or lose as far as seeding(I think), etc against Tenn so some reps for the youngster would be a good thing. If we lose because he throws too many picks, then so be it but he needs more experience in a real, non-sheltered NFL game. Hell, rest Foster and let Tate and Ward carry the load, win or lose on the arm of Yates.

We are going to have to take chances in the playoffs, so might as well start with that a week early. I know it's a tall order knowing Kubes, but just wishful thinking.
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Exactly. I said in another thread I would love to see an open Playbook with Kubes encouraging shots downfield next week. We have really nothing to gain or lose as far as seeding(I think), etc against Tenn so some reps for the youngster would be a good thing. If we lose because he throws too many picks, then so be it but he needs more experience in a real, non-sheltered NFL game. Hell, rest Foster and let Tate and Ward carry the load, win or lose on the arm of Yates.

We are going to have to take chances in the playoffs, so might as well start with that a week early. I know it's a tall order knowing Kubes, but just wishful thinking.
All Kubiak can do is call the plays. He's calling the same plays he was calling when Schaub was in the game. He's calling the same plays when Yates was stretching the field & throwing interceptions.

Can you think of another reason Tj would not throw the deep routes?
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One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.
I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?
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I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?
umm i only remember 1 pass attempt in 4 trips. Yeah it was typical kubiak, my problem with it is what do we have to lose, to try to score and REALLY prepare yates for the play-offs. Babying yates is not getting him ready.
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I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?
Its on the QB to make pre-snap adjustments when the defense stacks the box ..... Quite possible Yates didnt make the proper adjustments.

We dont know if Kubiak gives him the option to change the play at the line or not .... We do know that Schaub was able to change the play under those circumstances.
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The Texans have won with great defense all season long, so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. They've had the best season of their existence. When you don't let your QB hardly play and handcuff him like that and "expect" your defense to do all of the work, then you're asking to much and the law of averages will catch up with you. We lost because of that.

No, you're wrong. The Texans have won with a complete effort for the most part. When they've won the offense has scored and the defense has held. Both sides have put each other in a position to succeed. The offense gets out ahead early and the defense can pin their ears back. If the offense gets off to a slow start then the defense keeps us from falling behind so the offense can get the kinks worked out.

We've won because we've been balanced and a complete team. Now the offense can't hold up it's side of the bargain anymore. Certain things work well. We ran the ball well last night but clearly Kubiak got spooked with all the turnovers Yates had against Carolina and he's reigned him in considerably. With no credible passing threat our offense can't finish drives and our scoring is down. This puts the defense in a vulnerable position.
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Right. Like how come TJ Yates only threw 16 passes this game?

Hell, even throwing the ball to Foster 20 times would have reaped better rewards!

How about James Casey as a receiver

If JJ and KW are not getting it done, let's at least pretend we have more weapons on the team.

Even those silly passes to Vickers would have looked clever tonight.

Kubiak has lied. Gary has said he wasn't dialing the playbook back, but when your QB only throws 16 passes in a game, hang it up boys, we're going home with a great big L on our foreheads.

This is reality: The Texans, in their first playoff birth, have broken another NFL record, in reverse: The Texans became the only 10 win team to ever lose to a 1 win team.

Reality.
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Play calling was very carr era type of playcalling
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I think a lot of people are forgetting that we also beat ATL and Cincy with Yates at QB.

Take things a week at a time folks. Lets look at the Titans, if we get Wade calling the game back that could be enough to win that game and see where we go from there.

I sure ain't scared of the Jets (which is looking like a likely opponent) or the Bengals in the first round. Especially at home (which we still have) so saying we can't win a playoff game is bit too premature right now.

Although I agree that Schaub going down ended any chance at a SB run, as well as Mario going down. But this team has fought all year and to give up on them now? Nah, can't do that. They hit a bump in a road, they still have a lot of fight left in them.
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Oh get outta here. Yates passes more against the porous run defense of the Colts and everyone will be calling for everyone's head. Don't you remember what happened last year against Indy when the running game wasn't used?

Can't throw the ball when you don't have Andre to throw to. His presence spaces everyone out and yes, even makes those dumpoff plays to Tate and Foster more effective.
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Oh get outta here. Yates passes more against the porous run defense of the Colts and everyone will be calling for everyone's head. Don't you remember what happened last year against Indy when the running game wasn't used?

Can't throw the ball when you don't have Andre to throw to. His presence spaces everyone out and yes, even makes those dumpoff plays to Tate and Foster more effective.
yeah but wasnt that a manning led offense that could easily score, different team all together here, there defense is made to protect leads, you have to throw the ball more than 16 times most generally to get a good lead in this league.
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yeah but wasnt that a manning led offense that could easily score, different team all together here, there defense is made to protect leads, you have to throw the ball more than 16 times most generally to get a good lead in this league.
80 yards, no timeouts, less than 2 minutes in the game.

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Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?
  1. Winning the Super Bowl?
  2. screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
  3. something other than winning the Super Bowl?

These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.
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Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?
No, one game isn't going to undo the last 5 years and 2 games (without Wade) of suckitude. Besides Wade will probably be back and if that happens you know who should get the credit.
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Kubiak called a great game and for the most part the refs called a great game. They lost because the players didn't execute. Superbowl bound!

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The reality is that when you get sacked 25% of the time, it's hard to do your job as a QB.
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