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Old 03-05-2005   #1
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Angry Why mess with the D when we need an O???

Greater minds than mine are at work here, I'm sure...but I have to ask: WHY are the Texans worrying about the defense when we need SO MUCH help on offense? The left side of the line is...weak...inconsistent... Surely addressing this issue is more important than anything? Can someone please explain this to me? I'm getting aggravated, here!
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Greater minds than mine are at work here, I'm sure...but I have to ask: WHY are the Texans worrying about the defense when we need SO MUCH help on offense? The left side of the line is...weak...inconsistent... Surely addressing this issue is more important than anything? Can someone please explain this to me? I'm getting aggravated, here!

You Don't remember us NOT getting sacks last yr? The Line was learning a new system, they might snap out of it next season.

Besides, don't think CC and the rest of the Front Office aren't looking to get O-Line help.
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I think the left side of the line will improve next season. LG Pitts is solid, and he'll get better with more time in the new oline system. LT Wand has done well in what is essientially his rookie season, and he can only improve. McKinney is the weak link, and Wiegert could be upgraded, but he'll last till we get a young guy to replace him. Wade is solid at RT, and he'll be fine. The offense is fine, but it just need more consistent play from the OLine. We've got playmakers in place, and we just need the OLine to give them time to make plays.

The defense needs to get more pressure on the QB, and if they do we'll be in good shape.
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I'm marking my calendar on this one to give me positive reading next
fall---too, anybody know when Carr's contract expires, just curious?
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I think the left side of the line will improve next season. LG Pitts is solid, and he'll get better with more time in the new oline system. LT Wand has done well in what is essientially his rookie season, and he can only improve. McKinney is the weak link, and Wiegert could be upgraded, but he'll last till we get a young guy to replace him. Wade is solid at RT, and he'll be fine. The offense is fine, but it just need more consistent play from the OLine. We've got playmakers in place, and we just need the OLine to give them time to make plays.

The defense needs to get more pressure on the QB, and if they do we'll be in good shape.
Pitts is solid? Mr. OFFSIDES himself??? I don't know about that one...
How is McKinney the weak link? ( honestly want to know )
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Pitts is solid? Mr. OFFSIDES himself??? I don't know about that one...
How is McKinney the weak link? ( honestly want to know )
Pitts is a dominant run blocker but is mistake prone. He is pretty much the football version of being bi-polar in his play. He is a better Tackle than Guard at this point in his career but we shall see how much he has improved soon. He was playing a position he has never even sniffed before last year. McKinney is one of the two or thee worst starting centers in the NFL. He gets man handled against big bull rushing interior players and gets whipped at the point of attack way too often.
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Pitts is solid? Mr. OFFSIDES himself??? I don't know about that one...
How is McKinney the weak link? ( honestly want to know )
Vinny answered it pretty well, but I'll go ahead and add on a bit. Pitts has mental lapses, and that's something he really needs to work on. He's got great strength, and this was his first year at LG. I think he'll improve greatly at LG as he gets more and more time to get comfortable with the position. Wand is probably a little better run blocker too, but it ,too, was his first year starting. Essientially we had two rookies on the left side even though neither of them were technically rookies. They both can't help but get better with more experience. IMO it wasn't so much the edge where we were getting killed in the passing game; it was up the middle. Vinny pointed out that Weigert was hurt, and when you couple that with McKinney getting pushed back regularly by larger DTs you end up with a pocket collapsing up the middle. I really feel that we need to address the center position in the draft and get a good young guy to bring in slowly. It wouldn't hurt to have a good young guard too so we can get some good depth.
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You Don't remember us NOT getting sacks last yr? The Line was learning a new system, they might snap out of it next season.
I dont think the o-line learning a new zone blocking system has anything to do with pass blocking.
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I dont think the o-line learning a new zone blocking system has anything to do with pass blocking.
The thrust of the problem was that we had 3 of the 5 players at new positions and changed the blocking schemes. We had a project at Tackle and a guy who has never played Guard in his life starting right next to him with an underaverage Center on the other side. Weigert and Wade having injury problems didn't help matters any either.
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The thrust of the problem was that we had 3 of the 5 players at new positions and changed the blocking schemes. We had a project at Tackle and a guy who has never played Guard in his life starting right next to him with an underaverage Center on the other side. Weigert and Wade having injury problems didn't help matters any either.
...they had a bunch of new players on their line, too, even rookies--
their QB was almost player of the year and went to the pro bowl along
with a tight end who played basketball in college, not football-- what's
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I'm just backing out of this debate. I'm just going to end up hammering away. Nothing good is going to come of that.
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...they had a bunch of new players on their line, too, even rookies--
their QB was almost player of the year and went to the pro bowl along
with a tight end who played basketball in college, not football-- what's
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year before they were wanting ot kick their QB out .. we had a Basketball player for a TE and it didn't work out.

they are the flipside of us.
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Capers and company are comfortible with Defense. Its natural for them to migrate to what they are comfortible with. The offense will never amount to much, because their is no one in a leadership role whoe cares about it. That's my opinion and that's why I think the Texans will never make it to the playoffs with this coaching stafff. Everyone has excuses for the O-line and how it will be just fine next year. Sort of like the Cubs going to the World Series every Spring as Ernie Banks use to say.
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Capers and company are comfortible with Defense. Its natural for them to migrate to what they are comfortible with. The offense will never amount to much, because their is no one in a leadership role whoe cares about it. That's my opinion and that's why I think the Texans will never make it to the playoffs with this coaching stafff. Everyone has excuses for the O-line and how it will be just fine next year. Sort of like the Cubs going to the World Series every Spring as Ernie Banks use to say.
Well I think the coaches are hoping for the offense to eventually gel, and work together as a unit, while they spend a few years building up the D. It would make no sense to build a great D first, and then pick a rookie QB, and then rookie WR, and expect them to contribute. Lets just hope the offense can show progress for the 4th straight year.
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Capers and company are comfortible with Defense. Its natural for them to migrate to what they are comfortible with. The offense will never amount to much, because their is no one in a leadership role whoe cares about it. That's my opinion and that's why I think the Texans will never make it to the playoffs with this coaching stafff. Everyone has excuses for the O-line and how it will be just fine next year. Sort of like the Cubs going to the World Series every Spring as Ernie Banks use to say.
I'm sorry but I can't listen to this K--rap. If nobody cared about our offense then why did we spend our first 2 drafts strictly on offense. Why LAST year did we pay top dollar for a RT and pick up a TE in FA. We Have our youngest players playing on that side of the ball, thats the reason for the inconsistency. Also Carr has demonstrated on multiple occasions that he is comfortable with the leadership role. To say that this team or players doesn't care about the offensive side of the ball is just ignoring the facts. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this team. We have had setbacks on that side of the ball that you can't put the blame on our coaches, such as Boseli and Joppru (whatever his name is). How about this for a challenge, go to at least 8 different message boards around the league and see how many woundn't want the great young talent that we are developing on that side of the ball.
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I'm sorry but I can't listen to this K--rap. If nobody cared about our offense then why did we spend our first 2 drafts strictly on offense. Why LAST year did we pay top dollar for a RT and pick up a TE in FA. We Have our youngest players playing on that side of the ball, thats the reason for the inconsistency. Also Carr has demonstrated on multiple occasions that he is comfortable with the leadership role. To say that this team or players doesn't care about the offensive side of the ball is just ignoring the facts. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this team. We have had setbacks on that side of the ball that you can't put the blame on our coaches, such as Boseli and Joppru (whatever his name is). How about this for a challenge, go to at least 8 different message boards around the league and see how many woundn't want the great young talent that we are developing on that side of the ball.
Just read Vinny's comments on McKinny and look at the way the O-line has performed and its not too hard to understand. Yes, they certainly have picked up some excellent personnel for the offense, but they have not paid attention to the bread and butter which is the line. Without a line I don't care who the QB is or how great he is. He will get killed and your offense will go nowhere. I don't care who the receivers are, because the ball will never get to them. They are always worried about the defensive line, but they do not have the same focus on the offensive line. Wade is a run blocker and he was picked up for DD, not Carr. Now you can say if we could run the ball that would help Carr, but not when its pass protection time. Why has McKinny been able to continue to under perform at Center? As many have pointed out there is not a pocket for Carr. Would he step up into, I don't know because he's awfully gun shy. Now is defense important, most certainly. However, you can take it to an exteme. I think the Texans focus is on defense and will always be under Capers because that's what he's comfortible with. New England is focused on both with more emphasis on Defense than Offense. They do both very well and the coach understands both.

Vinny and you obviously must believe in this O-line and that they will improve enough this coming year. I just don't believe that is the case. I still say year 2's O-line outperformed year 3's even though it consisted mainly of the same people. The difference has supposidly been the blocking scheme. Well, I hope they get it straightened out other wise our QB's are going to be in the Hospital.

Near the end of the season there were comments attributed to Casserly, McNair, and Capers indicating they were going to fix the O-line problems. Yet, all you here is talk about the status QUO. So if we aren't going to fix the problem in FA are we going to use the draft. Everyone's talking about receivers and defensive players being drafted. Most say that if we draft an O-lineman he will take a year more to develop in all probability. That would probably mean we will not compete until 2006.

Were you honestly satisfied with the performance of last year's ball club? I think the Sharper situation speaks volumes about this ball club. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a gut feeling I'm not. You have a lot of money tied up in DC and AJ. However, without O-line protection you probably will never see their true potential. I will once again add that the injuries over the last two years have hurt this ball club badly. We need a number of people and I just don't believe we can get all we need from the draft. Therefore, I believe the 4 or 5 year plan is down the drain. Having said that where do you concentrate 1st in the draft, Defense or Offense. Defense is certainly the oldest, but defense right now is probably in better shape than the offense. Offensively our biggest problem is the Line. We will see next season whether this is Krap or not. Again, I hope the Texan's prove me wrong. It would be a lot of fun if they did. I'm certain I would never hear the end of it, but that's alright.
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I dont think the o-line learning a new zone blocking system has anything to do with pass blocking.
...several posters have pointed this out but the message is not getting
thru--one poster suggested they couldn't pass block because of all the
other distractions around them (i.e. new posisitions,blocking schemes)--
yea, thats gotta be it--so. this year will be different...
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The season ended on a sour note (very sour), with the embarrasing loss
here at home to Cleveland and the last thing the owner said after that game
was that they were going to get DC some "better protection" because he would be the QB here for a long time. But it looks like that "better protection"
will be limited to upgrading McKinney and or/Weigert. Little surprised they didn't do something in FA in this area, but they seem to think the rest of the OL will improve enough thru last years experience.
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the problem with the line is the middle..Sure the tackles are going to get beat at some point....but at times when they get beat ,Carr should be able to step up in to the pocket and gain a second or two..That doesn't happen..because McKinney is getting pushed around.(or should I say back)


And to say the Texans did nothing.. is farfetched
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Greater minds than mine are at work here, I'm sure...but I have to ask: WHY are the Texans worrying about the defense when we need SO MUCH help on offense? The left side of the line is...weak...inconsistent... Surely addressing this issue is more important than anything? Can someone please explain this to me? I'm getting aggravated, here!
The O-Line just needs an upgrade at center & possibly RG, & some time to gel together.

NFL STATS

However, the defense was:

1) 23rd (out of 32) in total defense (341.1 ypg)
2) 24th in pass defense (225.9 ypg)
3) 13th in run defense (115.2 ypg)
4) 30th in receptions allowed (344)
5) 30th in receiving TD's allowed (32)
6) 16th in scoring defense (21.2 ppg)
7) 14th in defensive take aways (30)
8) 32nd in sacks (24)

Our offense was:

1) 19th in total offense (320.5 ypg)
2) 16th in time of possesion (29.59 mpg)
3) 18th in the passing game (202.9 ypg)
4) 12th in the rushing game (117.6 ypg)
5) 23rd in receptions (286) (New England was 20th)
6) 21st in scoring (19.3 ppg)
7) 22nd in turnovers (25) (New England was 19th)

By strengthening our defense, we'll be able to give the ball to the offense more, which will increase the time of possesion, passing yards, rushing yards, scoring, & total offense. Basically, it increases the opportunities we have to score & reduces the opportunities the enemy has to score.

You could argue that a strong offense is a good defense by keeping the other team off the field, but everyone knows that defense wins games & ultimately, Championships.
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