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Old 03-25-2010   #1
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Default Second Edition: badboy, beerlover, rmartin65 Texans Mock

After seeing how well our last mock was received, we decided to create another one. This took just as long as our last effort, and we are all very pleased with its outcome. We limited ourselves to a couple of rules. One being we had to pick players we think the Texans would pick (Character, Position Need, etc), the other being no trades (although we did come up with a couple interesting scenarios, which I am sure one of the other two will post).

Then without further ado, here it is:

*Round 1: Texas FS Earl Thomas, 5’10” 208 lbs

Red-shirt sophomore entry. Playmaker with above average ball skills. Smooth, fluid in breaks, good hip flip, functional strength with strong core power. instinctive reads, quick to recognize & provides good run support w/ability to improve technique. Lacks second gear but has game speed & takes good angles, aggressive, competitive has CB experience for added value. Ran a 4.4 forty @ combine & repped out 21 times on bench press (225). Led the nation with 24 pass break-ups (WOW) & 2nd in nation with eight INT's returning two for TD's also 65 tackles, 143 since 08.


Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’ 231 lbs

Sticking with our original 2nd rd. pick Toby is the complete power package out of the backfield, can convert critical short yardage situations, red zone scoring machine led the nation with 29 TD's (yeah baby). Demonstrates great balance, one-cut downhill pile driver with great vision & intellgence then finishes always going forward for extra yards. Will take a pounding but has ability to absorb contact, strong leg drive, deliberate downfield then flashes suddenness to avoid tackles. Dangerous option for Texans in screen packages. Work ethic/character not in question. Finished 2nd in the nation running only to Ryan Mathews with 143.92 yds. per game amassing 1871 yards on 343 carries for a 5.45 avg. per carry. Combine ran 4.53 38" vert 4.25 shuttle & 22 reps.

Round 3: Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’ 207 lbs

Here we again turn to the secondary. With the departure of Dunta Robinson, the Texans need another upper tier corner. The team cannot rely on the likes of Reeves, Quinn, and McCain to shut down the pass happy attacks that are so popular in the NFL, especially in the same division as the Colts. Owusu-Ansah has number one corner potential. He is a bigger corner, yet as fast and nimble as those smaller corners. He falls because he played D2 ball, hence his technique will need some work. He gets by on athleticism a lot, something that wont always work at the next level. Owusu-Ansah is the definition of ballhawk, 10 career interceptions, 8 as a junior and 2 as a senior (a late bloomer). He is also a very dangerous man with the ball in his hands, as evident by his 9 TDs (7 on special teams). Owusu-Ansah will be a “diamond in the rough that takes very little polishing”, and could be the first true shutdown corner in Texans history.


Round 4: Georgia DT Jeff Owens, 6’1” 304 lbs


Owens is the type of player that does not stand out during the game, unless you truly focus on him. Nor does he fill up the stat sheet. What he does do is make everyone else on the defense better. Jeff Owens is an incredibly strong player, both in the weight room, and on the field. He couples that strength with his leverage to dominate multiple blockers along the line of scrimmage. However, he is not a Mt. Cody type player, a ball of fat that has little to no impact behind the line of scrimmage. Owens is athletic enough to push the pocket, making it nearly impossible for the QB to step up and deliver the ball. A player like Owens is ideal for the Texans, as he will occupy blockers, letting the underachieving Okoye have a one-on-one matchup. The Texans also run a rotational defensive line, another plus for drafting Owens. It looks like Owens runs out of steam at times; he will need to be spelled occasionally.

Round 5: Notre Dame OC/OG Eric Olsen, 6’4” 306 lbs

Solidify interior OL needs along with free agent aquistion Wade Smith. Texans could also look at a swing tackle to develop later behind Butler but for now we focus on interior specific upgrading the Center position long term. Currently the Texans have a group of depth players who fill a starting roster spot. Olsen upgrades starting talent moving forward, has leadership qualities you look for in position & fits the clubhouse mentality/good teammate. Olsen provides upgrade talent wise & good fit personality & clubhouse wise. Nasty combo with LG Studdard & Caldwell RG. Quick, powerful pop, ability to anchor, tough & plays to the whistle. Known for punch thrown by Michigan LB Jonas Mouton (later suspended). Eric was part of Jimmy Clausen success & Notre Dame ranked 5th in the nation passing 323.3 yds. per game.

Round 6A: Wayne State RB Joique Bell, 5’11” 220 lbs

It is the “Year of the Runningback”, and the Texans should take advantage of it. If we draft Gerhart to be the power/short yardage back, then we should also draft a powerful backup to be protected against injuries. Bell is a very powerful back that dominated the D2 level, and was flying up the draft boards until the combine. His pedestrian 40 time coupled with his D2 past will knock him down the draft boards. However, the other teams’ loss is the Texans gain. Bell looks the part of an NFL back; a well developed, muscular upper body, and tree trunks for legs. One of his best assets is his patience, a great quality for a ZBS back to possess. He knows how to wait for the hole to develop, and has enough burst to hit it when available. He also has the LT-like quality to score TDs in short yardage, whether it is powering through on the ground or leaping over the pile. With Bell and Gerhart, the RB situation would look like this: Gerhart, Slaton, Foster, and Bell.

Round 6B: LSU KR Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 166 lbs

Another repeat from our earlier mock, Holliday has done nothing to dispel our belief in him. He is a lightning fast player, running an official time of 4.34, but several stopwatches had him below Chris Johnson’s magic mark of 4.24. In addition to blazing straight line speed, Holliday possesses excellent change of direction ability. He is very hard to tackle despite his size, as he can be hard to spot, and hard to get good body positioning on. One of Holliday’s best attributes is his “feel” for the kick return game. He knows how to find the crease and go. He could do a better job using his blockers though. Holliday should get a handful of plays on offense, due to his incredible speed. The occasional screen or vertical route would keep the opposing defense honest. In addition, Holliday would make for an excellent decoy. He has good enough hands to make him a legitimate receiving threat. He is not a track guy playing football; he does not shy away from contact.


Round 7: Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 224 lbs


With the departure of Grossman, we decided that another QB was in the cards for the Texans. We wanted a player with the physical talent that just needed to be groomed by a QB guru (Kubiak). Rusty Smith is that guy. He has prototypical height, and has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds. Smith is a very intelligent player, something we all know Kubiak requires from his Qbs. The big problem with Smith (besides the shoulder injury that ended his senior season, dropping him from a 4th/5th round prospect to a 7th/UDFA) is his throwing motion. It is not pretty. Smith’s motion needs to be shortened considerably, and his release point needs to be higher. Despite that, Smith is a very accurate passer, both sitting in the pocket and on the move. He has adequate arm strength, not cannon, but good enough to make all the required throws. And maybe with some mechanics work, he could gain a bit of strength. Rusty Smith is an ideal QB for Kubiak to groom for the future.

*We had a very heavy debate deciding between Mathews and Thomas, and concluded that both would be good picks, but Thomas would be better value. We have a write-up of Mathews because of the very real possibility that the Texans draft him. Obviously, this would change the rest of the picks in the draft.

Round 1: Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, 6’ 218 lbs

ZBS one-cut downhill RB Texans need. workhorse characteristic tough minded & physically strong. Great balance, good long speed & vision. Hands seem alright should increase exposure receive, Texans also can use Slaton to complement. Not explosive as much as good burst, very fluid change in direction. Combine ran 40-yard dash 4.45 followed up at his Pro-day 4.46 & 4.48 very consistent. Also improved his short shuttle from 4.33 to 4.10 36" & 34" vertical 19 reps. In College he led the nation running 150.67 yards per game, 6.55 avg. per carry, 1808 yards & 19 TD's.

I want to thank beerlover and badboy, for all the time that they put in on this mock. It was a long process, and I am sure we all got fed up once in a a while at something. I also want to thank the administrators and the people who keep this site going, it is great to have a place to talk Texans. And last but not least, I want to thank all of you who read this.
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Running back & secondary heavy, infused with some trench nasties. later rd. developmental prospects for depth QB/WR/KR/RB. Kicker will be addressed with undrafted player yet to be determined (Gary Kubiak said he'll have competition for kicker Kris Brown beginning with the OTAs).

Evolution of a first pick:

Mock Drafting is a very fluid process which changes daily. After being the first around over one month ago to isolate & identify Kyle Wilson not only a first round prospect but an excellent fit in Houston. His ascension raised concerns of his availability. Not long after Ryan Mathews became our target, at the time considered early second. since combine his stock has skyrocketed. perfect fit to improve Kubiak/Dennison running game & vacancy left via Slaton's neck/spine injury. Now graded by some a top 10 talent, if you look at the RB prospects over last several years he measures up with the best (only AD higher grade, ok Reggie Bush too) now the only reason he could be on the board when the Texans select is quality depth of prospects (underclassman) or team needs. This rotation took us back to the beginning, a prospect who we projected early on, off the board long before the Texans pick, Earl Thomas. He is the ideal selection for the Texans giving Frank Bush an elite FS player to roam his defense. Funny @ the end of the day it could be Kyle & Ryan who push him down the Gulf Coast


Also big reps to rmartin65 & badboy. this "Second Edition Mock Draft" is mostly the result of their efforts, hard work & passion. It's been a rewarding, learning process & hopefully along the way (most importantly) developed friendships which last remainder of our time here as Texans
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I'd come away really happy with this draft...

I guess the small school corner prospect is a little bit of a redlight but I think some of our previous negative experience with it, is more about injury than ability.
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I'd come away really happy with this draft...

I guess the small school corner prospect is a little bit of a redlight but I think some of our previous negative experience with it, is more about injury than ability.
I am an Ansah believer and it was a pleasure to see him move up the boards as did our earlier fave Kyle Wilson. In fact I am working on a scenario involving maybe two trade downs in first and ending with Wilson. Back to Owusu-Ansah, believe me the three of us had many hours of discussion tearing each of our 8 picks apart. Yes, Ansah is from small school as was Joique Bell two of my early players to focus on. We decided their stats, skills and upside + other people's opinions made them worthy of our board. Please remember that Ansah must beat out Reeves or Quin (I think ultimately it will be Ansah and Quin). Then to support our rookie, we have Thomas as our FS. The fact that Earl can play CB and Ansah did play both CB and FS aided our decision on these two players.
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Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.
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Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.
Good points and we debated that. You would not believe the number of mock changes we made in just the last week. I had offered a CB in 6th Crezdon Butler, so we did understand the suggestions you make.

RB: we did have Mathews in first for a long time but that eliminated Thomas and we did several combos with Mathews & then FS later such as Nate Allen but he moved up out of our reach in 2nd. Gerhart was 65's guy & he told me as I was supporting Dwyer during the season. TG just flat blew me away. If one has not watched Gerhart it is hard to understand why we are so pumped. We went with two backs as it is a "priority" need that if successfully filled dynamically changes the entire team's productivity. We hope Slaton returns not only healthy but in 2008 form. Due to our optimism we eventually ignored drafting a Slaton type as insurance. We looked at Arian Foster and like him but again is NFL resume is minimal. We see TG, SLaton, Foster and Bell as the roster. We like Moats but he is odd man out.
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Good work guys, can clearly see the effort and time y'all put into it. Rep to all!
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Nice work guys. Only a couple nit kind of comments. I'm dubious about the Texans taking two RBs well at all but particularly two at 220+ lbs. Also I don't understand the urge to take a developmental QB. We have one or arguably two now. This system takes time to learn and you lose all of that if you replace them each year - plus you aren't really developing anything you are just rotating. I'd take a flyer on some raw CB, S or WR probably - at least get some special teams play out of them.
Gerhart does not run like he is 230 lbs, from a speed standpoint. He ran times comparable to many of the top backs from last year. Equal to Moreno and McCoy, faster than Greene and Coffee (both of whom the Texans reportedly had interest in). Bell was just a value pick there. He was so dominate at his level, he was worth a late round flyer.

None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.
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None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.
My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.
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My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.
I cant speak for the other two, but Booty is (in my opinion) a camp body. He could not beat out Tavaris Jackson for a roster spot. To each his own though, I see where you are coming from.
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My comment wasn't so much aimed at Dan O and I don't think that should be the focus. They have John David Booty a 5th round draft pick. Why boot him for a 7th round QB and start the development over again instead of taking a flyer trying to find a Zach Diles? But not to beat a 7th round draft pick into the ground.
No, you are making good observations but like 65 says Booty has not done anything so we want to start over with someone that might not be a dry well. We focused on OLB a lot and I liked Joe Pawelek from Baylor and on our first mock, I believe we had Angerer. We also discussed Washington but he kept moving up the board and should be a starter for someone. If Booty could not benefit from Kubiac's skills by now, he might not ever. As you know a 7th does keep the team from losing a UDFA to a higher offer. I think we outbid someone on Foster last year. We think the players identified rounds 5 thru 7 offer biggest bang for the buck.
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Gerhart does not run like he is 230 lbs, from a speed standpoint. He ran times comparable to many of the top backs from last year. Equal to Moreno and McCoy, faster than Greene and Coffee (both of whom the Texans reportedly had interest in). Bell was just a value pick there. He was so dominate at his level, he was worth a late round flyer.

None of us are sold on Dan O, which is the explanation for Smith. Kubiak took a chance on Brink a few years ago, and he is not panning out. Smith becomes Kubiak's project.

As far as drafting special teamers, we did pounce that idea around for a while. The guy we targeted though was recently caught with marijuana, and we figured the Texans would not take the risk.
Where did you get a list of guys that failed their drug tests at the combine?
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Where did you get a list of guys that failed their drug tests at the combine?
We do not have that list (I wish we did), it was in an article on the internet.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/...-88723722.html
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After seeing how well our last mock was received, we decided to create another one. This took just as long as our last effort, and we are all very pleased with its outcome. We limited ourselves to a couple of rules. One being we had to pick players we think the Texans would pick (Character, Position Need, etc), the other being no trades (although we did come up with a couple interesting scenarios, which I am sure one of the other two will post).

Then without further ado, here it is:

*Round 1: Texas FS Earl Thomas, 5’10” 208 lbs

Red-shirt sophomore entry. Playmaker with above average ball skills. Smooth, fluid in breaks, good hip flip, functional strength with strong core power. instinctive reads, quick to recognize & provides good run support w/ability to improve technique. Lacks second gear but has game speed & takes good angles, aggressive, competitive has CB experience for added value. Ran a 4.4 forty @ combine & repped out 21 times on bench press (225). Led the nation with 24 pass break-ups (WOW) & 2nd in nation with eight INT's returning two for TD's also 65 tackles, 143 since 08.


Round 2: Stanford RB Toby Gerhart, 6’ 231 lbs

Sticking with our original 2nd rd. pick Toby is the complete power package out of the backfield, can convert critical short yardage situations, red zone scoring machine led the nation with 29 TD's (yeah baby). Demonstrates great balance, one-cut downhill pile driver with great vision & intellgence then finishes always going forward for extra yards. Will take a pounding but has ability to absorb contact, strong leg drive, deliberate downfield then flashes suddenness to avoid tackles. Dangerous option for Texans in screen packages. Work ethic/character not in question. Finished 2nd in the nation running only to Ryan Mathews with 143.92 yds. per game amassing 1871 yards on 343 carries for a 5.45 avg. per carry. Combine ran 4.53 38" vert 4.25 shuttle & 22 reps.

Round 3: Indiana (PA) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, 6’ 207 lbs

Here we again turn to the secondary. With the departure of Dunta Robinson, the Texans need another upper tier corner. The team cannot rely on the likes of Reeves, Quinn, and McCain to shut down the pass happy attacks that are so popular in the NFL, especially in the same division as the Colts. Owusu-Ansah has number one corner potential. He is a bigger corner, yet as fast and nimble as those smaller corners. He falls because he played D2 ball, hence his technique will need some work. He gets by on athleticism a lot, something that wont always work at the next level. Owusu-Ansah is the definition of ballhawk, 10 career interceptions, 8 as a junior and 2 as a senior (a late bloomer). He is also a very dangerous man with the ball in his hands, as evident by his 9 TDs (7 on special teams). Owusu-Ansah will be a “diamond in the rough that takes very little polishing”, and could be the first true shutdown corner in Texans history.


Round 4: Georgia DT Jeff Owens, 6’1” 304 lbs


Owens is the type of player that does not stand out during the game, unless you truly focus on him. Nor does he fill up the stat sheet. What he does do is make everyone else on the defense better. Jeff Owens is an incredibly strong player, both in the weight room, and on the field. He couples that strength with his leverage to dominate multiple blockers along the line of scrimmage. However, he is not a Mt. Cody type player, a ball of fat that has little to no impact behind the line of scrimmage. Owens is athletic enough to push the pocket, making it nearly impossible for the QB to step up and deliver the ball. A player like Owens is ideal for the Texans, as he will occupy blockers, letting the underachieving Okoye have a one-on-one matchup. The Texans also run a rotational defensive line, another plus for drafting Owens. It looks like Owens runs out of steam at times; he will need to be spelled occasionally.

Round 5: Notre Dame OC/OG Eric Olsen, 6’4” 306 lbs

Solidify interior OL needs along with free agent aquistion Wade Smith. Texans could also look at a swing tackle to develop later behind Butler but for now we focus on interior specific upgrading the Center position long term. Currently the Texans have a group of depth players who fill a starting roster spot. Olsen upgrades starting talent moving forward, has leadership qualities you look for in position & fits the clubhouse mentality/good teammate. Olsen provides upgrade talent wise & good fit personality & clubhouse wise. Nasty combo with LG Studdard & Caldwell RG. Quick, powerful pop, ability to anchor, tough & plays to the whistle. Known for punch thrown by Michigan LB Jonas Mouton (later suspended). Eric was part of Jimmy Clausen success & Notre Dame ranked 5th in the nation passing 323.3 yds. per game.

Round 6A: Wayne State RB Joique Bell, 5’11” 220 lbs

It is the “Year of the Runningback”, and the Texans should take advantage of it. If we draft Gerhart to be the power/short yardage back, then we should also draft a powerful backup to be protected against injuries. Bell is a very powerful back that dominated the D2 level, and was flying up the draft boards until the combine. His pedestrian 40 time coupled with his D2 past will knock him down the draft boards. However, the other teams’ loss is the Texans gain. Bell looks the part of an NFL back; a well developed, muscular upper body, and tree trunks for legs. One of his best assets is his patience, a great quality for a ZBS back to possess. He knows how to wait for the hole to develop, and has enough burst to hit it when available. He also has the LT-like quality to score TDs in short yardage, whether it is powering through on the ground or leaping over the pile. With Bell and Gerhart, the RB situation would look like this: Gerhart, Slaton, Foster, and Bell.

Round 6B: LSU KR Trindon Holliday, 5’5” 166 lbs

Another repeat from our earlier mock, Holliday has done nothing to dispel our belief in him. He is a lightning fast player, running an official time of 4.34, but several stopwatches had him below Chris Johnson’s magic mark of 4.24. In addition to blazing straight line speed, Holliday possesses excellent change of direction ability. He is very hard to tackle despite his size, as he can be hard to spot, and hard to get good body positioning on. One of Holliday’s best attributes is his “feel” for the kick return game. He knows how to find the crease and go. He could do a better job using his blockers though. Holliday should get a handful of plays on offense, due to his incredible speed. The occasional screen or vertical route would keep the opposing defense honest. In addition, Holliday would make for an excellent decoy. He has good enough hands to make him a legitimate receiving threat. He is not a track guy playing football; he does not shy away from contact.


Round 7: Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith, 6’5” 224 lbs


With the departure of Grossman, we decided that another QB was in the cards for the Texans. We wanted a player with the physical talent that just needed to be groomed by a QB guru (Kubiak). Rusty Smith is that guy. He has prototypical height, and has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds. Smith is a very intelligent player, something we all know Kubiak requires from his Qbs. The big problem with Smith (besides the shoulder injury that ended his senior season, dropping him from a 4th/5th round prospect to a 7th/UDFA) is his throwing motion. It is not pretty. Smith’s motion needs to be shortened considerably, and his release point needs to be higher. Despite that, Smith is a very accurate passer, both sitting in the pocket and on the move. He has adequate arm strength, not cannon, but good enough to make all the required throws. And maybe with some mechanics work, he could gain a bit of strength. Rusty Smith is an ideal QB for Kubiak to groom for the future.

*We had a very heavy debate deciding between Mathews and Thomas, and concluded that both would be good picks, but Thomas would be better value. We have a write-up of Mathews because of the very real possibility that the Texans draft him. Obviously, this would change the rest of the picks in the draft.

Round 1: Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews, 6’ 218 lbs

ZBS one-cut downhill RB Texans need. workhorse characteristic tough minded & physically strong. Great balance, good long speed & vision. Hands seem alright should increase exposure receive, Texans also can use Slaton to complement. Not explosive as much as good burst, very fluid change in direction. Combine ran 40-yard dash 4.45 followed up at his Pro-day 4.46 & 4.48 very consistent. Also improved his short shuttle from 4.33 to 4.10 36" & 34" vertical 19 reps. In College he led the nation running 150.67 yards per game, 6.55 avg. per carry, 1808 yards & 19 TD's.

I want to thank beerlover and badboy, for all the time that they put in on this mock. It was a long process, and I am sure we all got fed up once in a a while at something. I also want to thank the administrators and the people who keep this site going, it is great to have a place to talk Texans. And last but not least, I want to thank all of you who read this.
Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.
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Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.
thanks for your thoughts

Olsen is actually our 5th rd. pick & Bell is 6th.

In regards of Houston taking another 7th rd. project (see Alex Brink) QB we agreed its important to utilize Kubiaks strengths now, how long he remains the Texans HC is uncertain beyond his new 3 year extension. It would be nice if/when he does leave to at least have resolved the QB position, afterall thats what brought him to Houston in the first place.
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Rd1 Love the Thomas pick

Rd2 Gerhart- Have him rated as a 3rd rder, have Tate and Hardesty rated higher. Both Gerhart and Hardesty have played in pro style offenses and had knee injuries which scares me a bit.

Rd3 AOA-Like the pick, I feel that Thomas will play CB if AOA is drafted because AOA played S at a small school while Thomas showed me he had the skills to play CB at UT. I like AOA and you cant go wrong drafting a guy with AOA's ability. Exception to this rule is Molden only because of injury. AOA could learn for a year under Wilson.

Rd4 Owens- my favorite pick in your mock, built like a fire hydrant,is strong literally and against the run. He would bring toughness that the DL is currently lacking. Owens can easily gain 10/15 lbs as his body matures.

Rd5 Bell- Small school guy, tough runner who was good in pass pro in the Sr. bowl. Great prospect, Tate and Bell's skill set contrast each oter better than Gerhart/Bell's do. IMHO

Rd6 Olsen- like this pick, tough guy,very strong, I like jeff Byers alot better if he's there. Byers has ZBS experience which is a plus.

Rd6 Holiday- I can see this, but I like Marcus Easly better he has 4.39 speed and can KR/PR and has more potential than Holiday as an every down player.

Rd7 Smith- I can see a developmental QB prospect but I like JaMarcus Webb OT Tx.A&M-Kingsville as a dev. OL prospect more.

Over all great job guys I would be very happy with this draft. I know you put in alot of time. You should be proud.
Round 2- Hardesty (as I pointed out earlier) has had 3 knee surgeries already. People think OD is unstable, it would be worse for a runningback. Gerhart tore his PCL, which, as far as knee injuries go, is not too bad. Between Tat and Gerhart, it seems to be a judgment call.

Round 3- We like Thomas at FS and Owusu-Ansah at CB because of the physicality. AOA is not a strong tackler, something that is a must for S.
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I really don't care if my corners can't tackle but a safety that can't tackle is a huge red light.
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I really don't care if my corners can't tackle but a safety that can't tackle is a huge red light.
Which is exactly why its Thomas at FS, and Owusu-Ansah at corner.

And its not that AOA can't tackle, its that he is not especially adept at it.
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I really don't care if my corners can't tackle but a safety that can't tackle is a huge red light.
During our process I had to set-up bookmark of Akwasi Owusu-Ansah working out @ the combine to convince myself he was worth Texans consideration in the 3rd rd. From personel perspective he's a flyer. Texans/Kubiak have recent history selecting small school flyers in the 3rd rd. (Jacoby Jones, Lane in 07 & Antwaun Molden, E. Kentucky 08). Taking CB in the top three rounds addresses need & deep enough talent pool to come away with impact cornerback.

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Owusu-Ansah is eerily similar to Cardinals’ CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. At 6′0”, 207 pounds, Owusu-Ansah has the requisite size to be solid in run support. He does not have the blazing speed of DRC (AOA ran a 4.47 at the Combine), but he may actually be a more versatile player.

Owusu-Ansah was highly productive in college, albeit against DII talent. The major knock on him coming out is that he has not faced elite competition. How will he react when he gets beat? That basically never happened at IUP, so his ability to respond to adversity is a question mark at this point.
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I like most of the picks. I also liked Matt Forte, Mr Two-lane a couple of drafts ago. What I posted then is what I'm posting now. Gerhart is not on their board. He doesn't fit. It doesn't matter what value he is draft wise. He isn't a one cut and go back. He is a power back. Unless we're switching away from the ZBS, I don't think he is an option.
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