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Old 12-24-2009   #1
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In my previous thread I showed how I would handle FA.

On offense OD, Walter, Davis and, Pitts are out.

In are Malcom Floyd, San Chargers (28), and whichever one of these TE's takes the least amount of money, Tony Scheffler, Bo Scaife, Ben Watson or Anthony Fasano.

Brisiel is resigned at a low offer and with the money saved from FA's let go I also bring in either Jahri Evans or Logan Mankins to shore up our OL.

On Defense I make my big splash at the DT spot. I dont want to depend on another draft pick to fill this long time need. Im going after and signing one of the following. Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots (28), Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (30), Aubrayo Franklin, San Francisco 49ers (30), Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (32), Ryan Pickett, Green Bay Packers (30). If for some reason I cant sign any of them I take a step down and go after a younger guy with a lot of upside like Tony Brown, Tennessee Titans (29).

Demeco is resigned Daunte is offered a middle of the pack contract and told like it or leave it.

One other move I make. I trade Jacoby Jones to Denver for Peyton Hillis.

Now its time to move on to the draft.

In the first round Im looking for a trade down. Somewhere in the mid 20's is as low as I want to go. That should net us another second rounder according to the trade value chart.

RB, OL, CB and S are the positions im primarily looking to improve here. My draft would look something like this

1st C.J. Spiller RB Clemson

Now our 8 to 12 yard runs turn into TD's. We finally have a RB that is a threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball.

2nd Ras-I Dowling CB 6'2 200 Virginia

A big corner with ball hawking skills and could possibly play FS.

2nd Sergio Render OG 6'3 320 Virginia Tech or Mike Pouncey OG 6'5 320 Florida 3rd

Either of these guys are capable of playing in our ZB scheme and with their size would help out in short yardage situations.

3rd Maurkice Pouncey C 6'5 318 Florida

Again size matters, Maurkice can more than hold his own against big power rushers (as he proved against Bama's Mt Cody) and is agile enough to play in our ZB scheme.

4th Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest

Teamed with our big FA pickup gives us a solid goal line and short yardage package.

5th LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 235 Oregon

The only reason this guy is still available is because of his off feild problems. His talent makes a 5th round pick worth the gamble IMO. He instintly becomes our short yardage back.

6th and 7th BPA.

So our 2010 offense looks like this

QB Schaub
RB Spiller, Slaton, Hillis, Blount
WR Johnson, Malcom Floyd, Anderson, Martinez
TE Tony Scheffler, Dreeson,
OT Brown, Winston, Butler
G Mankins, Pouncey, Brisiel, Caldwell, Studdard
C Pouncey, Myers

Our 2010 defense looks like this

CB Reeves, Quin, Dowling, McCain
S Pollard, Ferguson, Barber, Nolan, Wilson
LB Cushing, Demeco, Dyles, Thompson, Adibi, Bentley
DE Mario, Barwin, Smith, Jamison
DT Richard Seymour, Robinson, Okoye, Cody, Boo Robinson
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Brown, Mankins, Caldwell, Winston, Butler

How about an OL like the one above?
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Brown, Mankins, Caldwell, Winston, Butler

How about an OL like the one above?


Im not as high on Caldwell as most. I like the rest though. Alot of people might think Im crazy but I would like to see us move Brown to guard if we could somehow land another Qaulity OT.

I really like the idea of getting Butler on the feild. Sundays game should be a good guage on how ready he is for more playing time. It sure would help this team if he could have a strong showing the last two games.
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Im not as high on Caldwell as most. I like the rest though. Alot of people might think Im crazy but I would like to see us move Brown to guard if we could somehow land another Qaulity OT.

I really like the idea of getting Butler on the feild. Sundays game should be a good guage on how ready he is for more playing time. It sure would help this team if he could have a strong showing the last two games.
Butler, Brown Pouncy Pouncy Winston
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Brown, Mankins, Caldwell, Winston, Butler

How about an OL like the one above?
That's the path I'd take, if it was up to me.

Winston has been struggling lately, it seems. I'd bump him down to guard and look to draft/sign a RT.

Assuming Caldwell progresses, it'd look something like:

Brown -- Winston -- Caldwell -- Briesel -- Draft/FA

That's some appreciable improvement, IMO
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Brown is a much bigger liability on the edge than Winston. If anybody needs to move inside it's him.

Winston
577 plays in pass protection
5 sacks for 9.5 yards
6 QB hits
19 QB pressures

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Brown is a much bigger liability on the edge than Winston. If anybody needs to move inside it's him.

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I agree that Brown's a bigger liability. But, there are a couple of reasons I'd move Winston inside before I moved Brown.

One, Brown's athleticism. One of the reasons Brown is so valuable at LT, and the reason he was drafted so high there, is his atleticism. Moving Brown inside would marginalize that athleticism, and thus, marginalize his value as a lineman.

Two, Brown's age. Brown is a few years younger than Winston, so he has a bit more time to reach his potential. I think we know what we have with Winston and won't see much more improvement in his game, whereas Brown is still young and has room to further reach his potential.

Three, the nature of Winston's game. Winston is more of a "mauler" than Brown. His weakness lies in his ability to marginalize a quick rusher off the edge, and his strength lies is his ability to bulldoze his opposition. This seems (to me, at least) to be a skill set better suited for guard whereas Brown's more finesse, athletic game seems better suited for the tackle position.

Maybe I'm working off erroneous assumptions about the nature of the positions or the strengths of the players' games, but that's the way I see it. And, that doesn't necessarily mean I'd be opposed to moving Brown to guard, but that's why, if faced with an either-or proposition, I'd rather it be Winston.
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I'm pretty high on the Pouncey twins. I'd be happy with either. Otherwise, I'm not a big fan of this draft, but I do appreciate the time you put into it and the FA thread.
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I'm pretty high on the Pouncey twins. I'd be happy with either. Otherwise, I'm not a big fan of this draft, but I do appreciate the time you put into it and the FA thread.
As far as the draft goes dont look at the names as much as the positions. I just threw out guys who both filled needs and value at given rounds. Im not saying I dont like the guys I picked, I do I just was moore interested in improving weak areas and depth than getting specific players. There are several differnt ways I could of went with the picks. Im interested in what you would do different.

And yes the Pouncey twins are solid looking prospects. I would love to pick up both of those guys.
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1. Expect Texans to reach contract agreement with Owen Daniels & Chester Pitts.

2. Like idea of trading down to land A franchise RB thus adding extra value the problem is we can't seem to agree on which? this has been covered in multiple threads, also its hard to mock draft with trades that stand test of time.

3. He does an excellent job covering needs, innovative ideas to aquire such I'm just not down with specific players (like Pouncey twins too).

4. If we are not to be concerned with specific player but focus on position then a better Texans draft to me would be as follows, with power RB over change of pace RB-

priority #1 FS - Taylor Mays, USC (E) or Earl Thomas, Texas (YTD)
priority #2 RB - Toby Gerhart, Standford (E) or Ryan Mathews, Fresno State (E)
priority #3 C - J.D. Walton, Baylor (E) or Maurkice Pouncey, Florida (YTD)
priority #4 DT- LaMaar Houston, Texas (E) or Stephen Paea, Oregon State (YTD)
priority #5 CB - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (E) or Walter Thurmond, Oregon (IR)
priority #6 OG - Thomas Austin, Clemson (E) or Marshall Newhouse, TCU (E)
prioirty #7 RB - Andre Dixon, Connecticut (E) or Brandon James, Florida (IR)

E = Eligible
YTD = Yet To Declare
IR - Injured Reserve
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My franchise RB would be Dwyer. Spiller scares me when it comes to durability and running between the tackles. Dwyer has it all, the only thing he is lacking is blazing speed.
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1. Expect Texans to reach contract agreement with Owen Daniels & Chester Pitts.

2. Like idea of trading down to land A franchise RB thus adding extra value the problem is we can't seem to agree on which? this has been covered in multiple threads, also its hard to mock draft with trades that stand test of time.

3. He does an excellent job covering needs, innovative ideas to aquire such I'm just not down with specific players (like Pouncey twins too).

4. If we are not to be concerned with specific player but focus on position then a better Texans draft to me would be as follows, with power RB over change of pace RB-

priority #1 FS - Taylor Mays, USC (E) or Earl Thomas, Texas (YTD)
priority #2 RB - Toby Gerhart, Standford (E) or Ryan Mathews, Fresno State (E)
priority #3 C - J.D. Walton, Baylor (E) or Maurkice Pouncey, Florida (YTD)
priority #4 DT- LaMaar Houston, Texas (E) or Stephen Paea, Oregon State (YTD)
priority #5 CB - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (E) or Walter Thurmond, Oregon (IR)
priority #6 OG - Thomas Austin, Clemson (E) or Marshall Newhouse, TCU (E)
prioirty #7 RB - Andre Dixon, Connecticut (E) or Brandon James, Florida (IR)

E = Eligible
YTD = Yet To Declare
IR - Injured Reserve
I just for the life of me cant see why anyone that has watched Mays play would want to draft him. If he even goes in the first round it will be on potential only. He has a better chance at making an impact at OLB than he does at S in the NFL. At least at OLB his size/speed can be utilized for blitzing and his poor coverage instincs wont be as obvious as they would in the deep middle of the feild.

Like the highlighted players. But like mine more of course.

I just dont want to resign Pitts at his age and coming off a major injury. Think that money could be better spent somewhere else. OD situation reminds me too much like Robinsons. It seems like there are to many good options out there that are young, healthy and would come at a substantialy cheaper price to take that chance.
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I just for the life of me cant see why anyone that has watched Mays play would want to draft him. If he even goes in the first round it will be on potential only. He has a better chance at making an impact at OLB than he does at S in the NFL. At least at OLB his size/speed can be utilized for blitzing and his poor coverage instincs wont be as obvious as they would in the deep middle of the feild.

Like the highlighted players. But like mine more of course.

I just dont want to resign Pitts at his age and coming off a major injury. Think that money could be better spent somewhere else. OD situation reminds me too much like Robinsons. It seems like there are to many good options out there that are young, healthy and would come at a substantialy cheaper price to take that chance.
see I knew this already based off your posts & thats why I would chose a different pathway. But you just never know there is more than one way to take care of buisness & I'm open minded that even if I disagree, will listen.

Before any outside free agent signings I want the Texans to take of their own, I like what the Texans are building but they MUST retain DeMeco, Owen, Pitts minimum. I would also like to see them offer Andre an incentive pro-rated adjustable contract that makes damn sure he is in the 3 top paid WR's.

Back to the picks. I know what your saying about Mays but he lost everything in front of him, Mauluga, Matthews & Cushing who provided protection allowing him to reign centerfield. His phsycial skills are elite & I don't want to see the Texans pass another big time FS in the first round if they have a shot at him, assuming he is still on the board. As a matter of fact the only way he makes it to the Texans is from people like you & support the idea he cannot cover or make it in the NFL. I guess I should thank you!

I also know you don't like Toby & that's ok I understand your concerns but for a second round pick your getting a multi-dimensional square up pile driver who can score in the red zone & that my friend is a Priority Need. Ryan just declared he is coming out is more of a break away threat w/speed/size & power.

We agree Center in 3rd

If Stephen Paea comes out I may have to adjust my board, I just wanted to get him in the discussion, very Suh-esque.

Either CB in first builds quality depth @ CB & possibly a starter for the future @ low cost/risk. plus the Texans will have either an extra 5th or 6th from San Diego. Did anyone notice did Travis do much tonight?

The other picks I wanted to discuss which where not highlighted are the situational late rd. RB Dixon & James. James would be a steal & could return kicks/punts which may become even more important if they don't keep Andre Davis (who shows me nothing) or trade Jacoby. Dixon is an all around back the Texans need to back up Slaton.

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In my previous thread I showed how I would handle FA.

On offense OD, Walter, Davis and, Pitts are out.

In are Malcom Floyd, San Chargers (28), and whichever one of these TE's takes the least amount of money, Tony Scheffler, Bo Scaife, Ben Watson or Anthony Fasano.

Brisiel is resigned at a low offer and with the money saved from FA's let go I also bring in either Jahri Evans or Logan Mankins to shore up our OL.

On Defense I make my big splash at the DT spot. I dont want to depend on another draft pick to fill this long time need. Im going after and signing one of the following. Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots (28), Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders (30), Aubrayo Franklin, San Francisco 49ers (30), Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh Steelers (32), Ryan Pickett, Green Bay Packers (30). If for some reason I cant sign any of them I take a step down and go after a younger guy with a lot of upside like Tony Brown, Tennessee Titans (29).

Demeco is resigned Daunte is offered a middle of the pack contract and told like it or leave it.

One other move I make. I trade Jacoby Jones to Denver for Peyton Hillis.

Now its time to move on to the draft.

In the first round Im looking for a trade down. Somewhere in the mid 20's is as low as I want to go. That should net us another second rounder according to the trade value chart.

RB, OL, CB and S are the positions im primarily looking to improve here. My draft would look something like this

1st C.J. Spiller RB Clemson

Now our 8 to 12 yard runs turn into TD's. We finally have a RB that is a threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball.

2nd Ras-I Dowling CB 6'2 200 Virginia

A big corner with ball hawking skills and could possibly play FS.

2nd Sergio Render OG 6'3 320 Virginia Tech or Mike Pouncey OG 6'5 320 Florida 3rd

Either of these guys are capable of playing in our ZB scheme and with their size would help out in short yardage situations.

3rd Maurkice Pouncey C 6'5 318 Florida

Again size matters, Maurkice can more than hold his own against big power rushers (as he proved against Bama's Mt Cody) and is agile enough to play in our ZB scheme.

4th Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest

Teamed with our big FA pickup gives us a solid goal line and short yardage package.

5th LeGarrette Blount RB 6'2" 235 Oregon

The only reason this guy is still available is because of his off feild problems. His talent makes a 5th round pick worth the gamble IMO. He instintly becomes our short yardage back.

6th and 7th BPA.

So our 2010 offense looks like this

QB Schaub
RB Spiller, Slaton, Hillis, Blount
WR Johnson, Malcom Floyd, Anderson, Martinez
TE Tony Scheffler, Dreeson,
OT Brown, Winston, Butler
G Mankins, Pouncey, Brisiel, Caldwell, Studdard
C Pouncey, Myers

Our 2010 defense looks like this

CB Reeves, Quin, Dowling, McCain
S Pollard, Ferguson, Barber, Nolan, Wilson
LB Cushing, Demeco, Dyles, Thompson, Adibi, Bentley
DE Mario, Barwin, Smith, Jamison
DT Richard Seymour, Robinson, Okoye, Cody, Boo Robinson
This is a great plan.

Love the FA pickups and the FA's let go.

I would take Dwyer over Spiller.

The only other thing I would do differrenly is if R.Johnson from Utah is there in the 4th rd I would take him over Robinson.

This is just splitting hairs.

The Texans have the the cap space to carry out this plan. The only qeustion is if McNair is willing to spend the money to carry the plan out.

If he is I can garuntee you that the Texans will finish 11-5 or better. That's taking into account injuries.

It's all about McNair and which direction he wants to take this franchise.

I wish past and present FO personell put as much thought into what they were doing as you have.

Must spread the rep but well thought out plan.

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This is a great plan.

Love the FA pickups and the FA's let go.

I would take Dwyer over Spiller.

The only other thing I would do differrenly is if R.Johnson from Utah is there in the 4th rd I would take him over Robinson.

This is just splitting hairs.

The Texans have the the cap space to carry out this plan. The only qeustion is if McNair is willing to spend the money to carry the plan out.

If he is I can garuntee you that the Texans will finish 11-5 or better. That's taking into account injuries.

It's all about McNair and which direction he wants to take this franchise.

I wish past and present FO personell put as much thought into what they were doing as you have.

Must spread the rep but well thought out plan.
Thanks. Dwyer is my favorite RB in this draft. I would love it if we drafted him. I almost put him down as my first pick but figured he would be gone.

I havent watched Utah all year so know nothing about R. Johnson. I will read up on him now.
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