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Old 11-11-2009   #1
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1) CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest, 6'0" 190 Been infatuated with this Demon Deacon defense the past two years & have wished for a significant addition off it & on the Texans so by process of elimination Ghee is it. One thing of note watching Wake is they're taught to create turnovers, this may be the reason why he is such a hitting machine, ala Bernard Pollard this makes the Texans secondary more formidable.

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started.

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305 He is Center specific, meaning if drafted that is where he is going to play moving Myers to bench. mauler like Studdard, has leadership intangible to step up & make the offensive line calls, tough, intelligent, durable pivot man Gibbs likes.

4) DT Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries.

5) SS/FS Barry Church, Toledo, 6'1" 219 Another strong tackler, can move to the ball in a hurry, has nose for the ball & also forces turnovers, fits Texans aggressive cover skills & strong in run support. I would see him as Pollards back-up adding much needed depth & special teams play as he develops.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson) TE Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 A threat in passing game, excellent hands/routes with + blocking game. Will Texans come to an agreement with Owen Daniels agent? have no idea coming into labor negoiations (I'm thinking Texans are waiting to see what happens before resiging these key players). regardless this is not a throw away pick, in fact I expect him to be gone in the 4th rd. but this kid will be a player in the NFL for sure.

6) OLB Keenan Clayton, Oklahoma 6'1" 221 Should compete hard in camp for a roster spot. Combine numbers should post better than expected measureables, his ability to cover & force break-ups is on the rise for a reason. An example of a safety who grew into a LB so his ability to cover is better than most linebackers.

7) OG/C Andrew Lewis, Oklahoma State 6'4" 292 Can fill both Guard & Center positions that proverbial versatility. Depth/Need. practice squad possibly, very durable & fits ZBS.

This draft is defense heavy but should give Bush the tools to finish the job.

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I can drink to this. Don't know much about your Toledo guy at FS but Wilson has that position for now so...

Gerhart I really like but am hoping he is there in third. I see this draft as being defensive oriented and deep so maybe he gets pushed down. I think that flavor of the month is the smaller back such as Slaton and Dwyer and Dixon and there is another I can't think of may push Toby down. At least I hope 'cause I don't see Smith drafting a back in 1st or 2nd.
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I can drink to this. Don't know much about your Toledo guy at FS but Wilson has that position for now so...

Gerhart I really like but am hoping he is there in third. I see this draft as being defensive oriented and deep so maybe he gets pushed down. I think that flavor of the month is the smaller back such as Slaton and Dwyer and Dixon and there is another I can't think of may push Toby down. At least I hope 'cause I don't see Smith drafting a back in 1st or 2nd.
I think Gerhart may be there in the third and maybe the fourth. Speed is the flavor of the decade and lack of it will push him down.
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I think Gerhart may be there in the third and maybe the fourth. Speed is the flavor of the decade and lack of it will push him down.
I truly hope you are correct as Smithiac may then use a 3rd or 4th on a power back. They never have before.
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I can drink to this. Don't know much about your Toledo guy at FS but Wilson has that position for now so...

Gerhart I really like but am hoping he is there in third. I see this draft as being defensive oriented and deep so maybe he gets pushed down. I think that flavor of the month is the smaller back such as Slaton and Dwyer and Dixon and there is another I can't think of may push Toby down. At least I hope 'cause I don't see Smith drafting a back in 1st or 2nd.
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I think Gerhart may be there in the third and maybe the fourth. Speed is the flavor of the decade and lack of it will push him down.
I am sorry guys, but I just can't see anything past a late second for Gerhart. The man takes over games. I have seen a couple games of his, and in every one he has impressed. I posted this article in another thread, but its worth a look: http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi-bin/?p=1035761

The stat break down is especially impressive.
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I like the Stanford back, but I dunno if he's a 2nd round value and I'd doubt
Kubiak wouldn't pay that price for a running back anyway, especially one who might end up playing baseball instead of football.
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I am sorry guys, but I just can't see anything past a late second for Gerhart. The man takes over games. I have seen a couple games of his, and in every one he has impressed. I posted this article in another thread, but its worth a look: http://www.stanforddaily.com/cgi-bin/?p=1035761

The stat break down is especially impressive.
RMARTIN65 GOOGLE running back Johnathan Dwyer and compare stats to Toby. The Georgia Tech guy had almost the same article written about him. 6'1" 235 (sound familiar?). 2008 Dwyer rushed for 1395 and averaged 7.5. As of Nov 12th he has gained 1093 @ 6.5 yds per carry. He is reported as "excellent" on play actions (Schaub anyone?) where he does not get the ball but usually draws the defense with him.
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RMARTIN65 GOOGLE running back Johnathan Dwyer and compare stats to Toby. The Georgia Tech guy had almost the same article written about him. 6'1" 235 (sound familiar?). 2008 Dwyer rushed for 1395 and averaged 7.5. As of Nov 12th he has gained 1093 @ 6.5 yds per carry. He is reported as "excellent" on play actions (Schaub anyone?) where he does not get the ball but usually draws the defense with him.
Well Dwyer plays fullback in the triple option at Georgia Tech. The QB either gives him the ball up the gut, runs a QB follow, or continues the option with a pitch man available. Generally they don't run a playaction, they rarely throw the ball period.

I love Dwyer as a prospect but it is hard to compare his statistics to other RBs because Ga Tech's scheme is so different than what most other teams are doing.
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RMARTIN65 GOOGLE running back Johnathan Dwyer and compare stats to Toby. The Georgia Tech guy had almost the same article written about him. 6'1" 235 (sound familiar?). 2008 Dwyer rushed for 1395 and averaged 7.5. As of Nov 12th he has gained 1093 @ 6.5 yds per carry. He is reported as "excellent" on play actions (Schaub anyone?) where he does not get the ball but usually draws the defense with him.
I actually have watched alot of Georgia Tech, and he is a good back. If you look at the 2010 Runningbacks thread, I have him rated above Gerhart. I think that he is not as physical though, and benefits from the triple option that is ran there.
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1) CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest, 6'0" 190 Been infatuated with this Demon Deacon defense the past two years & have wished for a significant addition off it & on the Texans so by process of elimination Ghee is it. One thing of note watching Wake is they're taught to create turnovers, this may be the reason why he is such a hitting machine, ala Bernard Pollard this makes the Texans secondary more formidable.

2) RB Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started.

3) OC J.D. Walton, Baylor, 6'3" 305 He is Center specific, meaning if drafted that is where he is going to play moving Myers to bench. mauler like Studdard, has leadership intangible to step up & make the offensive line calls, tough, intelligent, durable pivot man Gibbs likes.

4) DT Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries.

5) SS/FS Barry Church, Toledo, 6'1" 219 Another strong tackler, can move to the ball in a hurry, has nose for the ball & also forces turnovers, fits Texans aggressive cover skills & strong in run support. I would see him as Pollards back-up adding much needed depth & special teams play as he develops.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson) TE Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 A threat in passing game, excellent hands/routes with + blocking game. Will Texans come to an agreement with Owen Daniels agent? have no idea coming into labor negoiations (I'm thinking Texans are waiting to see what happens before resiging these key players). regardless this is not a throw away pick, in fact I expect him to be gone in the 4th rd. but this kid will be a player in the NFL for sure.

6) OLB Keenan Clayton, Oklahoma 6'1" 221 Should compete hard in camp for a roster spot. Combine numbers should post better than expected measureables, his ability to cover & force break-ups is on the rise for a reason. An example of a safety who grew into a LB so his ability to cover is better than most linebackers.

7) OG/C Andrew Lewis, Oklahoma State 6'4" 292 Can fill both Guard & Center positions that proverbial versatility. Depth/Need. practice squad possibly, very durable & fits ZBS.

This draft is defense heavy but should give Bush the tools to finish the job.


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Here are my critiques:

1) I dont know much about Ghee, but I will trust you on this one. I like my hard hitting corners, as long he is at least a decent cover guy, I feel good about this pick.

2) Gerhart-Excellent choice, enough said.

3) Walton- Good choice

4) I like the picking of a DT here, I just dont know which one to pick. I admit to not watching Texas too much (only watched the RRS) but Texas normally churns out some decent players.

5) I like a safety here, but you got the wrong guy. I am in no way a Notre Dame fan, but McCarthy changes games. He is clutch, and great on special teams.

6) I would say only a TE if OD is not re-signed. Moeaki is a good choice, as is the Illinois one. If OD is in fact re-signed, I would look for some OL depth.

6) Oklahoma OLB, good pick. Will play on special teams, no complaints here.

7) Eh, 7th rounder. I am fine with this pick, I cant really make up my mind on who I want. I am always down with OL depth.
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Good draft!
Here are my critiques:

1) I dont know much about Ghee, but I will trust you on this one. I like my hard hitting corners, as long he is at least a decent cover guy, I feel good about this pick.

2) Gerhart-Excellent choice, enough said.

3) Walton- Good choice

4) I like the picking of a DT here, I just dont know which one to pick. I admit to not watching Texas too much (only watched the RRS) but Texas normally churns out some decent players.

5) I like a safety here, but you got the wrong guy. I am in no way a Notre Dame fan, but McCarthy changes games. He is clutch, and great on special teams.

6) I would say only a TE if OD is not re-signed. Moeaki is a good choice, as is the Illinois one. If OD is in fact re-signed, I would look for some OL depth.

6) Oklahoma OLB, good pick. Will play on special teams, no complaints here.

7) Eh, 7th rounder. I am fine with this pick, I cant really make up my mind on who I want. I am always down with OL depth.
Ghee is a strong candidate. 6' 190 and a true corner with 4.45 speed with a low of 4.34. He did exceprionally well against Georgia Tech recently. See link
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2010&genpos=CB

I am looking at Mike Neal Purdue DT on my latest mock re-incarnation at round 4. Very strong guy with 5 QB sacks so far with 4.92 speed.
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1) CB Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest, 6'0" 190 Been infatuated with this Demon Deacon defense the past two years & have wished for a significant addition off it & on the Texans so by process of elimination Ghee is it. One thing of note watching Wake is they're taught to create turnovers, this may be the reason why he is such a hitting machine, ala Bernard Pollard this makes the Texans secondary more formidable.
Ghee as a first rounder? I haven't been doing a lot of reading on players this year but just from watching WF over the years, Ghee doesn't come across as a first rounder.
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interesting that Wake plays FSU this weekend

like his size, athletic ability, aggressive physical game, they say he compares to Vontae Davis taken in 09 (1st rd.) out of Illinois but reminds me more of Aqib Talib taken 08 (1st rd.) out of Kansas. I feel the Texans will be too tempted if one of the elite corners are still available & lately he has been flashing his NFL skill set focusing more on break-ups in one on one coverage.
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interesting that Wake plays FSU this weekend

like his size, athletic ability, aggressive physical game, they say he compares to Vontae Davis taken in 09 (1st rd.) out of Illinois but reminds me more of Aqib Talib taken 08 (1st rd.) out of Kansas. I feel the Texans will be too tempted if one of the elite corners are still available & lately he has been flashing his NFL skill set focusing more on break-ups in one on one coverage.
He's been a good playeer for awhile, maybe I'm just showing my lack of research this year. He could very well be a first rounder.

We (FSU) have a freshman QB playing for the rest of the year because Ponder is having shoulder surgery.
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interesting that Wake plays FSU this weekend

like his size, athletic ability, aggressive physical game, they say he compares to Vontae Davis taken in 09 (1st rd.) out of Illinois but reminds me more of Aqib Talib taken 08 (1st rd.) out of Kansas. I feel the Texans will be too tempted if one of the elite corners are still available & lately he has been flashing his NFL skill set focusing more on break-ups in one on one coverage.
I like Ghee, but I have not seen him mention as a 1st rounder yet. Seeing him going in the 3rd more often than any other round. Until he runs, I would have to call him a reach in the 1st.

Also I am looking for play makers, and Ghee has only one INT in his career. A little lower than a guy with his speed should have.
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" I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started. "

Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

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Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

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I think he was making fun of Jason Kidd...
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Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

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how about 270? after watching Toby dominate USC I'm convinced if the Texans want him they need to use their 1st, so flip RB w/CB maybe Ghee will still be there in the 2nd or Perrish Cox looks pretty good tonight for OSU.

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[quote=PapaL;1300374]" I've changed my stance 360 & agree with rmartin65 Texans need to bulk up @ RB investing a top pick to get the running game jump started. "

Doesn't changing your stance 360 degrees put you right back where you started? aka Anti-RB? How about doing a 180?

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Still bye week so made some adjustments based off this weekends results both College & NFL.

1) RB, Toby Gerhart, Stanford, 6'1" 240 After watching him play his combination of size, power & athletic ability is a sight to behold, solid kid & big time future on Sundays. Type of big, ball control back elite teams covet to control end of games situations like Colts/Patriots last night. Stanford seems to have a very solid OL, they finish their blocking assingments & proficient in both run blocking/pass protection, if that breaks down they have a big mobile, strong QB Andrew Luck that looks like the second coming of Elway throwing on the run outside the pocket or just taking it for the conversion himself. But here is the deal, everybody knows Toby is going to get the rock & still he drives multiple tacklers backwards for an extra 2-3 yards every carry, those extra yards are key to favorable conversions & time of possession. The last two weeks against top 10 teams he has amassed 401 yds. rushing & 6 TD's & gang tackling aside teams cannot stop him. Given the Texans need to improve their run game, complimenting Steve Slaton & Ryan Moats it's a perfect fit.

2) CB, Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State, 6'0" 195 Very difficult to commit to any one cornerback, just know the Texans will be prepared to take the best one available who fits their system. After watching Perrish shutdown Texas Tech & perform at an elite level, came up on the first series of the game to the line of scrimmage & took out the RB als vintage Dunta Robinson technique, the next play he dove & intercepted an underthrown ball in the endzone. Reminds me of Jarirus Byrd, drafted last year out of Oregon, then drafted in the 2nd rd. by Buffalo now leading the NFL with 8 Int's. Both appear to have the skill set to play both corner or safety have good ball anticipation & tackling ability. Does have better speed so I would expect him to play CB next level but he does give you added versatility.

3) OLB, A.J. Edds, Iowa, 6'4" 244 Changed from J.D. Walton because I expect him to be off the board w/combination of doubt Texans would use consecutive 3rd picks on a C/OG. Edds is no small consolation prize, he is one of the premier cover weakside linebackers in the country & compliments what the Texans currently have. Has excellent range & length to shorten field & throwing windows.

4) TE, Tony Moeaki, Iowa 6'3" 252 Based off feedback & my own feelings that Tony will be a legit NFL TE who fits the slot ala Owen Daniels as well inline blocking ability as well downfield I'm not going to submit waiting til later. Owen will be coming off ACL & has a contract yet to be inked so at this writing alot of things are still in the air. As situation evolves Tony could rise higher on my Texan board, David Thomas drafted out of Texas in 06 in 3rd rd. by New England (Acquired by Saints from New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 seventh-round draft choice) had 5 receptions.

5) DT, Lamarr Houston, Texas, 6'2" 300+ This is a need pick with a very athletic big body for Texans DT rotation, combination yet to be determined, but folks we need help here. Bush would like to get more athletic up front which is to Lamarr's strength, stout against the run with enough speed to force QB hurries. Has two sacks against Baylor, JD aside not his man, but solid game all around with 5 solo tackles 3 for a loss (-14). Tied for 6th on a dominant Texas defense, 5 sacks for 30 yards loss & 2 fumbles recovered.

6) (aquired via Travis Johnson trade w/San Diego) OG/C, Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6'3" 310 If everything goes according to plan Gibbs should be able to complete his OL before retirement. Another ZBS versatile and dependable interior lineman, filling out depth chart. Continue to address the interior of the Texans OL, remember the Texans traded a 6th for Chris Myers somewhere here in the 5th/6th they should fill this need.

6) DE, Arthur Moats, James Madison, 6'0" 250 Trying to find out if he is related to Ryan? Always looking for Dwight Freeney clone, Moats is leading the team in tackles (83) & sacks (11). has non-stop motor against lesser competition which is reason still on the board but reward worth risk here.

7) K, Leigh Tiffin, Alabama, 6'1" 212 One of the top kickers in the country, really respect Chris & think he's a great guy but when the pressure is on he tends to miss key opportunities that can either win or lose games. He did it in Pittsburgh & now Houston. We'll see some big games coming up for Alabama against Florida & possibly beyond if they win so his mettle will be tested @ the highest level.
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