Texans' Offense and Schaub, Poor Match

[gafftop]

I heard on the radio MS can be successful only if all the planets align. Well the planets aren't aligned in the Texans offense. Let's look more closely. Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB. MS is not the most durable QB. MS not great arm stength. The Texans' line is not the most dominant line. The lack of mobility (especially last week against the Jets, ankle) of MS means that he can't buy any time and make something happen unlike some other QB's that are able to scramble and allow the receivers to create. Therefore we can't utilize AJ physical talents on a busted play. This is even made worse because MS can't affford to take a hit, unlike some QB's that can stay in the pocket until the last second and let the play develope. If we had a QB that could take a hit we would gain some time, or if we had a QB that could scramble and buy some time we could maybe make some conpletions and maybe come up with the big play. We have the receivers to do this but due to the above factors we were unable to do this last week against the Jets. That is why the offense was so pitiful. I understand the PROBLEM is our offensive line. But our offensive line may be just what is was last week for the entire season. The more i write the more depressed I become. The defense only needs to shut down AJ with double coverage and get after MS and we have last week's outcome again this week. I guess what I am getting at is if MS is not healthy and mobile and Kubiak is determined to play MS no matter what like last week, we will have a repeat of last week. I was a Kubiak fan until last week. His inability to get the team up and prepared along with the POOR judgement in playing MS really makes me wonder. I guess getting back to the title, with our Oline we would be better off with a very mobile QB or a QB that can take a hit every once in a while. We have neither in MS. Would appreciate comment that give me some hope. thanks

[barrett]

Meh,

Schaub is extremely accurate and makes good reads for the most part. I think he's very good for this system.

I'm going to see your pessimism and raise you optimism.

[gafftop]

I agree behind an average to above average line Schaub would be above average to good. I hope his ankle injury was the main reason for the poor performance week 1. But if this is true WHY DID HE PLAY SO LONG or play at all. Can't the coaches vsiualize what is going to happen or a least see it. I know off subject.

[TheRealJoker]

So you're saying because the OL is bad we need to find a replacement for Schaub? I think it would be a lot easier to upgrade the OL's weaknesses than it would be to find a QB who could outperform Schaub behind the same OL.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by gafftop

I heard on the radio MS can be successful only if all the planets align. Well the planets aren't aligned in the Texans offense. Let's look more closely. Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB. MS is not the most durable QB. MS not great arm stength. The Texans' line is not the most dominant line. The lack of mobility (especially last week against the Jets, ankle) of MS means that he can't buy any time and make something happen unlike some other QB's that are able to scramble and allow the receivers to create. Therefore we can't utilize AJ physical talents on a busted play. This is even made worse because MS can't affford to take a hit, unlike some QB's that can stay in the pocket until the last second and let the play develope. If we had a QB that could take a hit we would gain some time, or if we had a QB that could scramble and buy some time we could maybe make some conpletions and maybe come up with the big play. We have the receivers to do this but due to the above factors we were unable to do this last week against the Jets. That is why the offense was so pitiful. I understand the PROBLEM is our offensive line. But our offensive line may be just what is was last week for the entire season. The more i write the more depressed I become. The defense only needs to shut down AJ with double coverage and get after MS and we have last week's outcome again this week. I guess what I am getting at is if MS is not healthy and mobile and Kubiak is determined to play MS no matter what like last week, we will have a repeat of last week. I was a Kubiak fan until last week. His inability to get the team up and prepared along with the POOR judgement in playing MS really makes me wonder. I guess getting back to the title, with our Oline we would be better off with a very mobile QB or a QB that can take a hit every once in a while. We have neither in MS. Would appreciate comment that give me some hope. thanks

There's no excuse for a QB not to make himself a moving target. We used to get on HWWNBN for not moving around or stepping up in the pocket. Schaub makes much better decisions and makes his reads better than HWWNBN but he's not any better at doing the little dance in the pocket to make himself a moving target and thereby help his line protect him.

Neither Brady nor Big Ben nor Peyton are running QBs - or even all that "mobile" - but they move around enough to buy that extra half second that's the difference between a completion and a sack.

The more I watch Schaub, the more I'm reminded of Drew Bledsoe. If you give him time, he'll kill you. But he cannot reliably create that extra second or so on his own.

Either Kubiak needs to teach Schaub that skill or we need a stouter O-line.

[TimeKiller]

I recognize that he's got very medium speed but if the OL isn't providing a pocket to dance in that leaves a plodder in space making plays with an average arm. I also think it's weak that Schaub isn't given leeway with the offense when his strength is decision making. If this offense needed a John Elway level QB to force it down defenses throats why did we trade through the draft for his opposite?

[CloakNNNdagger]

Big Ben last week it was written that he "bought" time with a little step here and there.......giving him an average of 4 seconds.

It'll be interesting to see if MS buys himself anymore than last week's 2 seconds............or if he buys himself a trip to the hospital.

[eriadoc]

Would Ben Roethlisberger be better or worse behind this offensive line?

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

Would Ben Roethlisberger be better or worse behind this offensive line?

Worse , this team doesnt have the threat of pounding the ball with the running game that the Steelers do.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Worse , this team doesnt have the threat of pounding the ball with the running game that the Steelers do.

This isn't 2005. We actually have a much better running game than the Steelers. Their rushing attack is atrocious. Jeff Fisher actually guaranteed that the Texans would be in the Top 5 in the NFL running the ball this year. He told Tim and Pat on Sirius to file that away.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

There's no excuse for a QB not to make himself a moving target. We used to get on HWWNBN for not moving around or stepping up in the pocket. Schaub makes much better decisions and makes his reads better than HWWNBN but he's not any better at doing the little dance in the pocket to make himself a moving target and thereby help his line protect him.

Neither Brady nor Big Ben nor Peyton are running QBs - or even all that "mobile" - but they move around enough to buy that extra half second that's the difference between a completion and a sack.

The more I watch Schaub, the more I'm reminded of Drew Bledsoe. If you give him time, he'll kill you. But he cannot reliably create that extra second or so on his own.

Either Kubiak needs to teach Schaub that skill or we need a stouter O-line.

I wish Schaub was as durable as David Carr though.

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

This isn't 2005. We actually have a much better running game than the Steelers. Their rushing attack is atrocious. Jeff Fisher actually guaranteed that the Texans would be in the Top 5 in the NFL running the ball this year. He told Tim and Pat on Sirius to file that away.

This is true. The Steelers running game has dropped, significantly I think. Willie Parker has dropped off and Mendenhall isn't look too hot.

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by gafftop

I heard on the radio MS can be successful only if all the planets align. Well the planets aren't aligned in the Texans offense. Let's look more closely. Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB. MS is not the most durable QB. MS not great arm stength. The Texans' line is not the most dominant line. The lack of mobility (especially last week against the Jets, ankle) of MS means that he can't buy any time and make something happen unlike some other QB's that are able to scramble and allow the receivers to create. Therefore we can't utilize AJ physical talents on a busted play. This is even made worse because MS can't affford to take a hit, unlike some QB's that can stay in the pocket until the last second and let the play develope. If we had a QB that could take a hit we would gain some time, or if we had a QB that could scramble and buy some time we could maybe make some conpletions and maybe come up with the big play. We have the receivers to do this but due to the above factors we were unable to do this last week against the Jets. That is why the offense was so pitiful. I understand the PROBLEM is our offensive line. But our offensive line may be just what is was last week for the entire season. The more i write the more depressed I become. The defense only needs to shut down AJ with double coverage and get after MS and we have last week's outcome again this week. I guess what I am getting at is if MS is not healthy and mobile and Kubiak is determined to play MS no matter what like last week, we will have a repeat of last week. I was a Kubiak fan until last week. His inability to get the team up and prepared along with the POOR judgement in playing MS really makes me wonder. I guess getting back to the title, with our Oline we would be better off with a very mobile QB or a QB that can take a hit every once in a while. We have neither in MS. Would appreciate comment that give me some hope. thanks

2009 posted

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by gafftop

I heard on the radio MS can be successful only if all the planets align. Well the planets aren't aligned in the Texans offense. Let's look more closely. Even when 110% MS is not the most mobile QB. MS is not the most durable QB. MS not great arm stength. The Texans' line is not the most dominant line. The lack of mobility (especially last week against the Jets, ankle) of MS means that he can't buy any time and make something happen unlike some other QB's that are able to scramble and allow the receivers to create. Therefore we can't utilize AJ physical talents on a busted play. This is even made worse because MS can't affford to take a hit, unlike some QB's that can stay in the pocket until the last second and let the play develope. If we had a QB that could take a hit we would gain some time, or if we had a QB that could scramble and buy some time we could maybe make some conpletions and maybe come up with the big play. We have the receivers to do this but due to the above factors we were unable to do this last week against the Jets. That is why the offense was so pitiful. I understand the PROBLEM is our offensive line. But our offensive line may be just what is was last week for the entire season. The more i write the more depressed I become. The defense only needs to shut down AJ with double coverage and get after MS and we have last week's outcome again this week. I guess what I am getting at is if MS is not healthy and mobile and Kubiak is determined to play MS no matter what like last week, we will have a repeat of last week. I was a Kubiak fan until last week. His inability to get the team up and prepared along with the POOR judgement in playing MS really makes me wonder. I guess getting back to the title, with our Oline we would be better off with a very mobile QB or a QB that can take a hit every once in a while. We have neither in MS. Would appreciate comment that give me some hope. thanks

Originally Posted by gafftop

I guess I am trying to figure out if we can salvage THIS season. Again I agree a better offensive line is the answer and very possibly that is the ONLY answer.Nothing else may make a substantial difference in the overall outcome. I do think Ben would do better than MS did against the Jets only because he could have bought some time and probably had some success. Would it have made a difference in the overall outcome? Maybe, maybe not. Little things can make differences. If Slaton had not fumbled that might have changed the course of the game.The question is would Ben have survived, I think so. If MS did the same thing and took the same hits would he have survived? I think the Texans/MS by design or by instinct have decided that MS can not afford to get hit and take a chance of injury. AGAIN I hope the ankle was the reason for the poor showing. And again I think MS is just barely mobile enoughwhen healthy to be effective against a good pass rushing defense with our offensive line. Do I think Gross/Orv would be better, I am not sure but I am afraid we will find out. Let's just hope that NY Jets have a GREAT defense and from here on it will get easier.Again all above my opinion only.

Originally Posted by gafftop

I have heard it a couple of different times that MS is limited by the coaching staff as to making changes. If this is true I think it is wrong unless I am missing something. When do they turn the speakers off? Well a lot of things change after those speakers go out. Unless MS is Carrlike I think he needs the opportunity to make changes. If he is that Carrlike ...........

This is Post started 9/2009 over 3 years ago
Schaub has lost what little mobility he had and i think arm strength has gotten worse or he needs wind up now to throw the ball.

Just posted to remind some of you in case you think something may change in the future.

Matt is Matt period. Not his fault he is what he is. I think the FO/coaching staff needs to be more objective and realistic and realize what they have.

Maybe they know and are in a wait and hold pattern but then why resign him before this season.