Walter's again

[TimeKiller]

Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

[threetoedpete]

Ditto:

This one I believe. Not so sure the Iowa CB guy isn't a target now in the fourth over the run stuffing DT. McClain says DT in the second....I'm skeptical on that one....unless they're going to pull another Duane Brown and take someone not rated in the first day and they like a lot with the forty six. I'm happier with this draft projection that's for sure. Might take Jerry or Hood in the first...never know.

wood is defiantly my favorite C/G prospect in the draft. Can't argue with Unger. If he made it that low we'd be foolish to pass on him. Covers more positions....at a higher level. I really like Wood though. Got the man love bad.

Taylor is a lot like Micheal Johnson in respect to the athletic numbers do not match the on Field production. He lifts like Atlas and plays like Olive Oille. Lot easier risking a fourth on potential than a first. At least it is for me.

[The Pencil Neck]

This draft does not bother me. I'd be pretty pleased with this.

[Kaiser Toro]

I would be pleased with that booty.

[Shaft75]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

This draft does not bother me. I'd be pretty pleased with this.

Except for the Terrence Taylor guy... There is NO WAY that he should be picked that early!

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Shaft75

Except for the Terrence Taylor guy... There is NO WAY that he should be picked that early!

Well Terrence Knighton or Gaud Forbid another teasip.....Roy Miller would work in the fifth for a young rotation DT wouldn't they ?

And some of the reasons they, the DTs go this high and people reach on them in the first is they are so hard to find. Big 325 pound guys quick enough who can move and get up feild but also have the stregth to colapse the pocket. They're danged hard to find.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Shaft75

Except for the Terrence Taylor guy... There is NO WAY that he should be picked that early!

I did not bang you in the mock thread, but that pick is a throw away for me for the mock we are discussing. I am non plussed by Taylor in the 4th.

[Goatcheese]

I'm all for 2, 3, & 4a. I don't think any of them will be available at those points of course, but I'd be really happy to get them.

Taylor doesn't impress me. There's going to be better DTs available at that pick.

This whole Mathews thing needs to die already. He is not an NFL 4-3 linebacker.

[TimeKiller]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Ditto:

This one I believe. Not so sure the Iowa CB guy isn't a target now in the fourth over the run stuffing DT. McClain says the second....I'm skeptical on that one....unless they're going to pull another Duane Brown and take someone not rated in the first day and they like a lot with the forty six. I'm sure happier with this draft projection that's for sure. Might take Jerry or Hood in the first...never know.

Ah so I want that DT even less now. You mention the Iowa CB, Bradley Fletcher? 6'0'' 196 certainly fits the Bennett/Molden mold almost exactly and being a mid round guy. Didn't Smithiak want C. Godfrey last year, an Iowa DB if I'm not mistaken? So interesting parallels all around. If we picked him up I'd call the first 4 rounds pretty successful. 5-7 I might look at another backup QB maybe, definitely a WR or two, maybe another RB (Gartrell Johnson 5th round?) and some Oline depth. Only drawback is that no DE of any consequence would be taken but I guess I'm not too upset because of A. Smith coming aboard and the changes the D and DLine seem to be making under new coaches.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

The 1st four picks would contribute this year . Taylor would give Okam someone to snack with ( sorry Shaft ) .

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

I would love it if that were to be our draft.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

you guys know this stuff better than me but I'd rather have V. Davis or Beanie Wells at 15 assuming we can't trade down a few spots.
I'm just not all that thrilled about Matthews this high - I keep hearing things like he isn't all that fast so can't cover TEs or RBs. Like I said, you guys know this stuff better so if that's wrong....

[PHAROAH]

I think taking Clay Matthews is a huge mistake no matter how well he has worked out. This guy didn't even start for the Trojans he came into the games when they would go to there 3-4 package and he was only in to rush the qb. If we decide to take a an OLB it should be Brian Cushing who has been the starter for at least 2 full seasons maybe 3. Lets take a look at both players stats during there career at USC.


Brian Cushing:

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 243 | 40-Time: 4.74
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Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2005 8 23 0.5 0.0 3 0
2006 13 57 13.5 4.5 1 0
2007 10 25 2.5 1.0 2 0
2008 13 73 10.5 3.0 6 1
Total 44 178 27.0 8.5 12 1




Clay Matthews Jr.
Outside Linebacker | Senior | USC Clay Matthews
Height: 6-3 1/8 | Weight: 240 | 40-Time: 4.67


Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 RS - - - - -
2005 11 8 0.0 0.0 1 0
2006 13 15 1.5 1.0 0 0
2007 13 17 3.0 0.0 1 0
2008 13 56 9.0 4.5 2 0
Total 50 96 13.5 5.5 4 0

[steelbtexan]

I have a feeling Smithiak are going to take Butler @ 15.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by PHAROAH

I think taking Clay Matthews is a huge mistake no matter how well he has worked out. This guy didn't even start for the Trojans he came into the games when they would go to there 3-4 package and he was only in to rush the qb. If we decide to take a an OLB it should be Brian Cushing who has been the starter for at least 2 full seasons maybe 3. Lets take a look at both players stats during there career at USC.


Brian Cushing:

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 243 | 40-Time: 4.74
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2005 8 23 0.5 0.0 3 0
2006 13 57 13.5 4.5 1 0
2007 10 25 2.5 1.0 2 0
2008 13 73 10.5 3.0 6 1
Total 44 178 27.0 8.5 12 1




Clay Matthews Jr.
Outside Linebacker | Senior | USC Clay Matthews
Height: 6-3 1/8 | Weight: 240 | 40-Time: 4.67


Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 RS - - - - -
2005 11 8 0.0 0.0 1 0
2006 13 15 1.5 1.0 0 0
2007 13 17 3.0 0.0 1 0
2008 13 56 9.0 4.5 2 0
Total 50 96 13.5 5.5 4 0

All those stats mean is that some guys develop later than others...

Look, It's easy to see why Smithiak & others are infatuated with Mathews enough to take him higher than everyone thinks he should go. He walked on to USC's campus (after rejecting his only scholarship offer to Wyoming or some place like that) admittedly "not ready" to do anything. But he got better each year by being a special teams Hall of Famer until Carroll couldn't justify keeping him out of the starting lineup any more.

He's versatile, has a chip on his shoulder as he wasn't highly recruited coming out & most of all, he's a worker. Judging by how he looked at the combine, We probably haven't seen how much better he can be either. These type of guys are a coach's dream.

My guess is that teams could be thinking he's Brian Urlacher-light for OLB's........ if he gets his coverage skills together. Did i also mention he's got a great pedigree?

[TimeKiller]

Originally Posted by PHAROAH

I think taking Clay Matthews is a huge mistake no matter how well he has worked out. This guy didn't even start for the Trojans he came into the games when they would go to there 3-4 package and he was only in to rush the qb. If we decide to take a an OLB it should be Brian Cushing who has been the starter for at least 2 full seasons maybe 3. Lets take a look at both players stats during there career at USC.

Yup. Experience and production won't ever favor Matthews' college resume over anyones. That's college though. In projecting potential I think Matthews' is in line if not exceeding his peers....well, except Curry.

But if we're passing Matthews for another backer I'm going James Laraunitis AND Maualuga before Cushing.

[Goatcheese]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Yup. Experience and production won't ever favor Matthews' college resume over anyones. That's college though. In projecting potential I think Matthews' is in line if not exceeding his peers....well, except Curry.

But if we're passing Matthews for another backer I'm going James Laraunitis AND Maualuga before Cushing.

Career comparison:

James Laurinaitis 375 tkls 24.5 TFL 13 Sacks 9 INTS

vs

Brian Cushing 178 tkls 27.0 TFL 8.5 Sacks 1 INT
Clay Mathews 96 tkls 13.5 TFL 5.5 Sacks 0 INT
total 274 tkls 41.5 TFL 14 Sacks 1 INT

That's right. 101 more tackles, 8 more INTs, and just 1 less sack than Cushing and Mathews combined. He's the only linebacker between Curry and the second day that can actually cover as well.

[threetoedpete]

He's the only linebacker between Curry and the second day that can actually cover as well.
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That's why most folks have him & his 4.80 projected inside ....in both schemes ? Mind boggling.

[TimeKiller]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

I'm just not all that thrilled about Matthews this high - I keep hearing things like he isn't all that fast so can't cover TEs or RBs. Like I said, you guys know this stuff better so if that's wrong....

Isn't fast? Incorrect, there are a lot of things you can say about him but slow isn't one of them. Inexperienced in coverage, definitely. Slow, not at all.