Texans Mock

[badboy]

I think the following trades are not only possible but good for all teams. Detroit selects LT then trades 1st round # 20, a 3rd and a 5th to Texans in a trade reminiscent of the D. Brown trade down. They then select @# 15 QB Matt Stafford. Texans trade # 20 pick first round to Atlanta who selects either DT Peria or a LB. Texans receive 1st round #25, a 3rd and a 6th.
Texans then trade #25 to Detroit for the 33 pick over all (1st in 2nd round) and a 4th. Detroit has 3 first round #1,# 15 and # 25 picks to bring them back into contention but give up a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.

Texans:

2nd:NT Ron Brace
2ndE Robert Ayers or if not there Rashad Jennings RB
3rd: FS Rashad Johnson
3rd:OLB Marcus Freeman great against run or pass. Plays ILB also
3rd:OLT Xavier Fulton http://cookies.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/players/517608Read the 2007 season report. Great player for ZBS.
4th:OG Trevor Canfield no legal issues over one year. May be gone.
4th: ILB Daniel Holtzclaw
4th:O.G. Louis Vasquez Texas Tech 6'5" 333lbs Great strength. This is the Sage pick and I just could not keep this guard off my board. He started 22 and will have to beat out someone. His weight bothered me but TT is known for Oline blocking for passes and he does well against the run.
5th:RB Cedric Peerman http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009RB.php
5th WR Aaron Kelly like Vasquez, I can not keep him off the board. Size, speed, vertical! I'd like to see him lined up inside the 20 with Johnson.

6th: RB Gartrell Johnson . This guy runs like a tank and would be the short yardage guy.
7th: P Kevin Huber http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009PU.phpGood candidate that I would hide on P.S. if he did not beat out Turk.

[beerlover]

I know you spent some time on this, let get back to you latter when I have more time

[badboy]

Thanks. The good think about this one is the players I want have good % of being available and if not a reasonable alternative in that round can be found. It addresses all our needs except center and my position is Smith will stay with what we have.

[Hooston Texan]

No issues with your picks, but I really doubt Detroit would want to sell most of its remaining draft to move up 5 spots for one pick and 8 spots for another. The Lions looks almost like a carbon copy of the Texans circa March 2006: an all-world wide receiver and precious little else. In that situation, they need more quality bodies to rebuild the roster. So I don't see the Lions giving up many, if any, picks (well, if they're smart they won't; if Matt Millen was still the GM, then party on, Rick Smith!).

Also, having three first rounders--particularly when one is the top pick--is incredibly expensive and limits a team's financial flexibility going forward. In these times (especially in Michigan), I'm not sure the Lions want to go that route.

[Specnatz]

Not to burst your bubble but.

Fourth round
Pk Sel #* Team
1 Dallas (from Detroit)
2 Kansas City
3 St. Louis
4 Cleveland
5 Seattle
6 Cincinnati
7 Jacksonville
8 Oakland
9 Green Bay
10 Buffalo
11 San Francisco
12 Houston
13 San Diego
14 Denver
15 N.Y. Jets (from Washington)
16 New Orleans
17 Dallas
18 New Orleans (from N.Y. Jets)
19 Chicago
20 Tampa Bay
21 Philadelphia
22 Houston (from Minnesota)
23 Baltimore
24 New England
25 Atlanta
26 Miami
27 Indianapolis
28 Carolina
29 N.Y. Giants
30 Tennessee
31 Arizona
32 Pittsburgh

[HOU-TEX]

IMO, I don't think there will be as much 1st round trading as in years past. I just don't see the talent to justify teams wanting to move up to grab someone.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Specnatz

Not to burst your bubble but.

Man, I missed that. Seems the Cowboys are always raining on my parade. That was the pick I hesitated on the most as not sure Detroit would give that up with 2nd round for #25. Anyway, I'd be ok with the first 2/3s of the trade. We'd have the #25 pick in first and still could get a decent player or guarantee Ayers or maybe a strong RB. I still think RB can come later.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Hooston Texan

No issues with your picks, but I really doubt Detroit would want to sell most of its remaining draft to move up 5 spots for one pick and 8 spots for another. The Lions looks almost like a carbon copy of the Texans circa March 2006: an all-world wide receiver and precious little else. In that situation, they need more quality bodies to rebuild the roster. So I don't see the Lions giving up many, if any, picks (well, if they're smart they won't; if Matt Millen was still the GM, then party on, Rick Smith!).

Also, having three first rounders--particularly when one is the top pick--is incredibly expensive and limits a team's financial flexibility going forward. In these times (especially in Michigan), I'm not sure the Lions want to go that route.

Yeah, I know. I went over this for hours this weekend with exactly your thoughts. I have compared Detroit and Texans since the Carr and Joey days.

Lions are approx $40 million under cap and salaries can be widely "manipulated" to team benefit. My thinking is Detroit needs to hit a home run to get fans into the Stadium and buying NFL gear. The LT and Qb Stafford should get national attention. The 25th pick can still bring them a starter and getting three starters in a draft is pretty good. They have the $, do they want to spend?

I was a bit surprised the team did not make an offer to TO who brings a solid player and attention even if he is a club lawyer. He did not hurt the Dallas win column.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by badboy

I think the following trades are not only possible but good for all teams. Detroit selects LT then trades 1st round # 20, a 3rd and a 5th to Texans in a trade reminiscent of the D. Brown trade down. They then select @# 15 QB Matt Stafford. Texans trade # 20 pick first round to Atlanta who selects either DT Peria or a LB. Texans receive 1st round #25, a 3rd and a 6th.

cancel this last part & lets see what we've got to work with-
Texans then trade #25 to Detroit for the 33 pick over all (1st in 2nd round) and a 4th. Detroit has 3 first round #1,# 15 and # 25 picks to bring them back into contention but give up a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.
Texans:

2nd:NT Ron Brace
2ndE Robert Ayers or if not there Rashad Jennings RB
3rd: FS Rashad Johnson
3rd:OLB Marcus Freeman great against run or pass. Plays ILB also
3rd:OLT Xavier Fulton http://cookies.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/players/517608Read the 2007 season report. Great player for ZBS.
4th:OG Trevor Canfield no legal issues over one year. May be gone.
4th: ILB Daniel Holtzclaw
4th:O.G. Louis Vasquez Texas Tech 6'5" 333lbs Great strength. This is the Sage pick and I just could not keep this guard off my board. He started 22 and will have to beat out someone. His weight bothered me but TT is known for Oline blocking for passes and he does well against the run.
5th:RB Cedric Peerman http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009RB.php
5th WR Aaron Kelly like Vasquez, I can not keep him off the board. Size, speed, vertical! I'd like to see him lined up inside the 20 with Johnson.

6th: RB Gartrell Johnson . This guy runs like a tank and would be the short yardage guy.
7th: P Kevin Huber http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009PU.phpGood candidate that I would hide on P.S. if he did not beat out Turk.

Detroit would do that in a heart beat, in fact I wonder if thats enough?

Atlanta has the 24th pick Peria Jerry would tempt them. thats only four teams away, Texans could do worse than just taking him themselves, good value here. then you have Philly, other needs. Vikings, their DL is set. Then NE a 3-4 defense who are retooling their OLB position, Larry English/Aaron Maybin, Clint Sintim types. the only thing they would have to worry about is another team jumping in front. so I think your trade scenero ends here, but you did move down 5 spots take Peria or best defensive player available + add extra 3rd & 5th. works for me