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Old 01-25-2009   #1
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#15 - Texans pick Vontae Davis, CB.

And in his draft, we pass up Michael Johnson, James Laurinaitis, Peria Jerry, and Aaron Maybin.

Do you guys agree w/ this mock? Do we need a CB more than a DE or DT?
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If we ended up signing/trading for a DE and not re-signing Dunta, I could easily see us taking a CB with the first; especially if Davis or Jenkins is there.

Also, in Rick Smith's recent interview, he made mention that you can never have enough CB who can cover:
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Rick Smith: I agree with those assessments. I think that when you look at our football team on the defensive side of the ball, I think you can always improve athleticism. I think, in addition to some of those things, you can always improve your corner position. You can never have enough men that can cover.
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Vontae Davis seems like a low risk / high reward player at a position of need. Personally I don't think CB/S is a higher need than DE, but maybe a higher need than LB. I'm afraid of Michael Johnson (possible boom or bust?); Laurinaitis might be a good choice, Maybin might be "tweener". I really like Peria Jerry but I'm just not sure we would want to spend the #15 for a part time rotational player (if that is what they would use him for) versus an every down player. If the new coaches want to line Jerry up next to AO in their new scheme then great.

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Vontae Davis CB Illinois

STRENGTHS
Vontae is an excellent CB. He has good size, speed, quickness to play his position. He is a smart player and is a wrap-up tackler. He reminds me a lot of Antoine Winfield (CB Vikings) when he comes up and supports the run. Vontae is an excellent zone cover CB with the athletic talent to be an excellent man-to-man CB. He shows leadership skills through his play on the field and understands situational football. Add all this up and you have the recipe for an impact, multi-talented CB/DB for the team that drafts him.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE
He is an excellent zone CB right now, but in man-to-man he has some bad habits that will be magnified at the next level because of his enormous talent. He looks into the backfield way too quickly right now. This makes it easy for WR's and QB's at the next level to beat Vontae deep very easy. He has such good make-up speed that he is able to do this at the college level and not have it be a problem. He comes up quickly and does an excellent job supporting the run, but down the field in open space, he is not as good a tackler; however, he does get the job done. All of these issues are nit picking and should not be an issue at the next level as he gains experience.

TALENT BOARD ROUND 1
I have not seen Vontae on special teams, but I'm sure he will be an asset and impact right away in that regard. His man-to-man skills are there, but they need to be refined. Techniques are the issue, but he is smart and coachable. With a few games under his belt, he should become excellent in both zone and man-to-man coverage. He is strong and in a nickel-dime package, you should be able to move him inside to cover those big WR's in the slot. But don't be fooled: this kid can stay with just about any style of WR you put him up against. He has all the tools. He is quick, fast, strong and smart and if he gets beat, he learns during the game to adapt and defend better. He understands situational football and could be a hell of a safety as well as a lock down cover corner. In my book, he is the top CB in this draft. Vontae is a smooth operator. That's why I cal him Vontae (Smooth Operator) Davis.
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I have no problem taking a CB in round 1. Even with Dunta, you can never have enough good corners especially when you play PM 2x a year. And its not like we have a pair of elite corners. Our best CB just had his leg ripped apart a year ago.

Looking at the available players I think a trade back would have been the best idea. If you had to stick at 15 I would go with Michael Johnson assuming we don't trade for a FA DE, which didn't work well in the past.
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Davis is a pick similar to other first rounders in the Rick Smith era. Davis' potential is not close to tapped. He has the ability to be an elite CB. He isn't an elite CB, so don't misquote that, but he has the physical ability to do everything. His man-to-man skill are what he needs to work on the most, but he has shown improvements at Illinois this past season as compared to the year before. Davis has a very big body and has borderline elite speed. He needs to work on tracking the ball in the air in downfield man coverage. He has the potential to be a top 5 CB in the league with some technique refinement, and that is what the NFL is supposed to do for young players. Right now, he is an adequate CB who could and would push for a starting spot; he could possibly push Reeves to the Nickel. However, he isn't a player you expect to "produce" for a full year or two. It's tough to wait on guys like that, but he is that (potentially) elite of a talent.

With everything said, I would be ok with Davis drafted in the first round.
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Davis is a pick similar to other first rounders in the Rick Smith era. Davis' potential is not close to tapped. He has the ability to be an elite CB. He isn't an elite CB, so don't misquote that, but he has the physical ability to do everything. His man-to-man skill are what he needs to work on the most, but he has shown improvements at Illinois this past season as compared to the year before. Davis has a very big body and has borderline elite speed. He needs to work on tracking the ball in the air in downfield man coverage. He has the potential to be a top 5 CB in the league with some technique refinement, and that is what the NFL is supposed to do for young players. Right now, he is an adequate CB who could and would push for a starting spot; he could possibly push Reeves to the Nickel. However, he isn't a player you expect to "produce" for a full year or two. It's tough to wait on guys like that, but he is that (potentially) elite of a talent.

With everything said, I would be ok with Davis drafted in the first round.
The sad thing is that im not sold that the Texans would be able to make him as good as he could be with a team of better coaches.

Hoke did a great job with Dunta, and some of our other talent. But now we have David Gibbs who did a great job with Page and Pollard so far at the safties position, and Brandon Flowers their rookie CB out of V Tech did a nice job this year as well, so maybe he can work some magic if we decided on Davis round 1.
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The sad thing is that im not sold that the Texans would be able to make him as good as he could be with a team of better coaches.

Hoke did a great job with Dunta, and some of our other talent. But now we have David Gibbs who did a great job with Page and Pollard so far at the safties position, and Brandon Flowers their rookie CB out of V Tech did a nice job this year as well, so maybe he can work some magic if we decided on Davis round 1.
That is the risk with the draft. Believe it or not, Davis Carr was one of the best QB prospects in this decade. We don't need to re-hash that, but that is why the draft is a crapshoot. Very rarely are there guys like Adrian Peterson or Orlando Pace. Guys who are just complete when they come out. Guys who don't need to be coached up. Most amateurs entering the NFL need coaching up, and the ability of a coaching staff to develop their players is the difference between a Jared Allen in the 4th round to a Jason Babin in the first round. Nobody expected Allen to be the player he has become. That was the coaching staff developing him.
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I don't like VD. He reminds me too much of DeAngelo "OOPS, I just gave up a long TD" Hall.

The more I see of Alphonso Smith out of Wake Forest, the more I like him. He reminds me of Asante "Pick Six" Samuels. He had 8 picks in 2007, and 7 in 2008. If we go CB in the first I will nerd rage if it is VD over Smith.
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I don't like VD. He reminds me too much of DeAngelo "OOPS, I just gave up a long TD" Hall.

The more I see of Alphonso Smith out of Wake Forest, the more I like him. He reminds me of Asante "Pick Six" Samuels. He had 8 picks in 2007, and 7 in 2008. If we go CB in the first I will nerd rage if it is VD over Smith.
Alphonso Smith is great, but I like Vontae Davis too. What you get with VD is size and speed. What you get with Alphonso Smith is a 5-9 absolute playmaker, and also alot of speed.

If we were going to go with a CB, I would rather us go with a guy who may have slipped to us at #47 our second round pick. If Alphonso Smith was there I wouldn't mind it one bit.
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Alphonso Smith is great, but I like Vontae Davis too. What you get with VD is size and speed. What you get with Alphonso Smith is a 5-9 absolute playmaker, and also alot of speed.

If we were going to go with a CB, I would rather us go with a guy who may have slipped to us at #47 our second round pick. If Alphonso Smith was there I wouldn't mind it one bit.
This is how I feel as well. I think CB is a possible position to slip this year with some good playmakers. Guys like DJ Moore, Sean Smith, and Alphonso Smith. I think there will be good value in the second round.
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The thing with the first round of the NFL draft is physical projection of skills. I love Alphonso Smith as a prospect and player, and would love to have him on my team. With that said, he is about 5'9 180, which will give him some trouble in the NFL with bigger WRs. There should be no question wether or not he will be an NFL CB, but rather if he will be a #1 CB. Davis is 6'0 and 205 with better size. While I don't think he has the skills that Smith has by any means, Davis has more "upside" to reach than Smith. I think Smith will have a lot to prove in the proverbial sense, but that Davis may have more value as a #1 CB to teams. It's potential.
I think if you're going to draft a guy who is mostly potential, you might as well grab Domonique Johnson out of Jackson St. He's a better athlete, and has better instincts than VD.

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This is how I feel as well. I think CB is a possible position to slip this year with some good playmakers. Guys like DJ Moore, Sean Smith, and Alphonso Smith. I think there will be good value in the second round.
If DJ Moore, or Alphonso Smith were there in the second, this would be me.
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I don't like VD. He reminds me too much of DeAngelo "OOPS, I just gave up a long TD" Hall.

The more I see of Alphonso Smith out of Wake Forest, the more I like him. He reminds me of Asante "Pick Six" Samuels. He had 8 picks in 2007, and 7 in 2008. If we go CB in the first I will nerd rage if it is VD over Smith.
The thing with the first round of the NFL draft is physical projection of skills. I love Alphonso Smith as a prospect and player, and would love to have him on my team. With that said, he is about 5'9 180, which will give him some trouble in the NFL with bigger WRs. There should be no question wether or not he will be an NFL CB, but rather if he will be a #1 CB. Davis is 6'0 and 205 with better size. While I don't think he has the skills that Smith has by any means, Davis has more "upside" to reach than Smith. I think Smith will have a lot to prove in the proverbial sense, but that Davis may have more value as a #1 CB to teams. It's potential.
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