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Old 12-08-2008   #1
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Malcolm Jenkins and Aaron currry as the top rated defensive players.

They have Michael Oher slipping.
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realize your favorite player slipping a bit upsetting but maybe he could slip right into the Texans hands

starting to overview the prospects when it comes to lineman this is another great draft to grab one. last year my favorite Ryan Clady has been vindicated playing like he belongs as a rookie in a ZBS. this year my favorite offensive linemen is Eugene Monroe, he is actually really comparable to Duane Brown http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...9%26id%3d24096 because of this he would fit right in here.
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realize your favorite player slipping a bit upsetting but maybe he could slip right into the Texans hands

starting to overview the prospects when it comes to lineman this is another great draft to grab one. last year my favorite Ryan Clady has been vindicated playing like he belongs as a rookie in a ZBS. this year my favorite offensive linemen is Eugene Monroe, he is actually really comparable to Duane Brown http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...9%26id%3d24096 because of this he would fit right in here.
Well they may go that way. After next year, 2009, Matt's pay me money kicks in in 2010. So I wouldn't be upset with an o-lineman. I'm an o-line guy. If you have one good enough you can hide a lot of warts on defense. But if you wanna go to the big dance in a hurry, got to have the defense. You got no defense you get exposed in the play offs. Giants did it last year.

Seems obvious that they'd be looking for defensive pieces, play makers....but they've crossed us up be for with what they were thinking. Erick gave up a hurry which resulted on a QB hit and Duane gave up a sack on an inside move. Pitts will be in his eighth year....and Salaam is Salaam. Steady Eddie.

I think Oher would look great as the left guard.

The inside move that Brown gave up was so good that my opinion is that 80% of the tackles starting in the league would of given that sack up.
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I want to see a better DE opposite Mario. A hammer to run with Slaton. An upgrade at guard. Upgrade at FS and SS. And maybe another CB and OLB. Is that too much to ask for?!?
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Looks like Everette Brown is a solid first rounder now. I would absolutely love for us to pick him up in the first and use him as a 4-3 DE. We really lack a good pass rush, even with Mario. You've got to have more than one guy pressure the QB consistently. With Brown, or even Orakpo, lining up opposite Mario we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league for many, many years IMO.
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Looks like Everette Brown is a solid first rounder now. I would absolutely love for us to pick him up in the first and use him as a 4-3 DE. We really lack a good pass rush, even with Mario. You've got to have more than one guy pressure the QB consistently. With Brown, or even Orakpo, lining up opposite Mario we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league for many, many years IMO.
I've been on that bandwagon a while now too. Brown or Orakpo teamed up with Mario would be a dominate force.
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Looks like Everette Brown is a solid first rounder now. I would absolutely love for us to pick him up in the first and use him as a 4-3 DE. We really lack a good pass rush, even with Mario. You've got to have more than one guy pressure the QB consistently. With Brown, or even Orakpo, lining up opposite Mario we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league for many, many years IMO.
I hope that our defensive staff, whoever they are when the draft rolls around, don't get scared off because Brown is smaller than the ideal 4-3 DE because that pass rush is too valuable to pass up. I also won't be surprised if those guys are already off the board by the time we pick.
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realize your favorite player slipping a bit upsetting but maybe he could slip right into the Texans hands
Wouldn't that be ironic if we passed on him for another DT? What is this 2007 all over again!?
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Wouldn't that be ironic if we passed on him for another DT? What is this 2007 all over again!?
That would be ok with me as long as its Raji.
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Surprises: Stafford in the top 3, McCoy as the top rated DT, Mabin as the top rated DE, top rated RB all the way down at 19.

Looks like there's a few highly rated CB which should prove to be an interesting dynamic as our offseason progresses. If you have someone fall into your lap how do you make room for them with D-Rob and Reeves entrenched and Bennett and Molden backing them up. Bennett or Molden to safety? Molden as a dime CB? Trade? Should prove to be interesting.
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Nobody likes this but with his contract, they are pretty much have their chips on 35. Bennit should rebound next season. He won't be the first young corner who did well as a rookie and then strruggled as a sophmore. If you know the guy is going to be there for you, and you're in love with the corner....you pick the guy. Trade the young gun and pick up a day two pick for the young gun for a prospect for 2010.

Can't believe the Penn St. guy has better first step than Brown or Orakpo.

Wonder how far Arian Foster will fall ?
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Nobody likes this but with his contract, they are pretty much have their chips on 35. Bennit should rebound next season. He won't be the first young corner who did well as a rookie and then strruggled as a sophmore. If you know the guy is going to be there for you, and you're in love with the corner....you pick the guy. Trade the young gun and pick up a day two pick for the young gun for a prospect for 2010.

Can't believe the Penn St. guy has better first step than Brown or Orakpo.

Wonder how far Arian Foster will fall ?
I think it's odd, that we have talented players who come in and show promise their first year, then drop off.... and that we see a lot of it in the backfield.


Then they go and fire our Secondary coach.........

Seriously, how many times have we said, if only he'd have looked for the ball.
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I think it's odd, that we have talented players who come in and show promise their first year, then drop off.... and that we see a lot of it in the backfield.


Then they go and fire our Secondary coach.........

Seriously, how many times have we said, if only he'd have looked for the ball.
Plus...Green Bay hired Hoke before he could sign up for unemployment. A lot of people have fallen on their swords for the Texans. Can't fire the players.

I understand. I gotta assume they knew what they were getting when they gave Reeves the contract. What you got is what few DBs have, world class make up speed. My solution, let him run man up. He's best when he's facing the QB anyway. They've got Anton Molden in the wings and Freddie with confidence issues. They may want to bang the Db's early. They could. But I see a lot of draft capitol on the roster already. I don't think they will bang it high.

But the key to the DBs has always been and always will be .......pressure.

....when they get it our DBs make plays. Even our lowly talented, low draft pick guys. Is upgrading the DB's going to result in more take aways next season if there isn't more consistent pressure from the front seven ? Less passing TDs given up ? Move the defense into the top ten statistically ?

I don't think it matters how talented they are without the pressure. Some do. Once they flipped safety's in the middle of the season, the defense got more consistent. That there thingy is the truth. So I guess it comes down to...are we going to live with the inconsistant pressure and over draft DBs ? Or are they going to bang the original problem, the seven year old problem, and reach for play makers to bring more pressure? Fixing the original problem fixes the DB problem. Which allows the cap friendly guys we already have on the roster @ DB to make more plays. I'm not convinced the reverse is true. Over drafting for DBs will get you more take aways, better production in pass defense,....or turnovers.

Now Wilson is in his eighth year. And Rashard Johnson from Alabama looks like a Eugene Wilson clone to me. So if they did that, I'd hold my piece. Because I know from the last seven games, that type of player will be productive for the Texans, if everything works out, for a long time. But again, with out the pressure....we're chasing our tail....and further, Payton Manning. You're not going to "out cover" Peyton Manning. I don't care who we've got lined up back there. I believe over drafting DBs is a lateral move for this football team. It's about the front seven pressure. Want the play offs ? Gotta find that in the off season.
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I would like to see the Texans take Maybin in the 1st rd. I believe he can play the SAM on 1st & 2nd down. He could play DE on 3rd down.

We would have one of the fastest LB corps in the league. With Maybin, Ryans & Adibi I believe we would have the blitzing LB's Bush was talking about @ his press confrence.

If Bush really wants a pressure defense they should draft a DE like Krueger or Williams in the 2nd rd.

Imagine a DL that looks like this on 3rd down

DE Krueger DT Mario DT Okoye DE Maybin

We should be able to get more pressure on Manning than ever before.
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Malcolm Jenkins and Aaron currry as the top rated defensive players.

They have Michael Oher slipping.
I think Oher will be this years Otah. A big potential guy who gets nitpicked to death, and falls alittle.
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I've heard this already. Lot of people are skeptical of his footwork and leverage (mostly footwork though). Honestly I think the only linemen we should be looking at should be a C or somebody who will be able to transition to C and I think that guy will get picked further down in the draft. The defense is the albatross this year that gets beefed up with the first picks. It seems like there aren't that many great safety prospects (again), which is what I would love to pick if we're around the 20's.

For defense I really can't see them doing anything but going DL. I guess it all really depends on whether they think Travis Johnson is worth anything or not. I think the LB corps of Diles, Ryans, and Adibi is probably what they're sold on for the future. Lock up Dunta and figure out if where Bennett stands. I think Reeves would make a decent nickle and we can hopefully play Moulden more. I would really just like to see us get a good safety for the secondary for the offseason. The corners don't scare me.

The Texans defense for me is hard to evaluate because I think Diles, Adibi, Bennett, and Okoye are unknown quantities. Do you draft thinking that all of these guys can either play up to what they accomplished previous in their career, or were some or all of these guys flashes in the pan?

I think that will really come into how we draft in the first and second rounds. God I hope they cut Greenwood and Weaver this offseason.
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I've heard this already. Lot of people are skeptical of his footwork and leverage (mostly footwork though). Honestly I think the only linemen we should be looking at should be a C or somebody who will be able to transition to C and I think that guy will get picked further down in the draft. The defense is the albatross this year that gets beefed up with the first picks. It seems like there aren't that many great safety prospects (again), which is what I would love to pick if we're around the 20's.

For defense I really can't see them doing anything but going DL. I guess it all really depends on whether they think Travis Johnson is worth anything or not. I think the LB corps of Diles, Ryans, and Adibi is probably what they're sold on for the future. Lock up Dunta and figure out if where Bennett stands. I think Reeves would make a decent nickle and we can hopefully play Moulden more. I would really just like to see us get a good safety for the secondary for the offseason. The corners don't scare me.

The Texans defense for me is hard to evaluate because I think Diles, Adibi, Bennett, and Okoye are unknown quantities. Do you draft thinking that all of these guys can either play up to what they accomplished previous in their career, or were some or all of these guys flashes in the pan?

I think that will really come into how we draft in the first and second rounds. God I hope they cut Greenwood and Weaver this offseason.
Greenwood, I understand, but Weaver has been playing well lately, much better than I've seen him play in a Texans uniform; I've actually seen him in the backfield regularly, not something I'm used to seeing in Weaver. I'm not sure what the rest of his contract is worth, but I'm not sure buying a replacement is a better option right now.
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Greenwood, I understand, but Weaver has been playing well lately, much better than I've seen him play in a Texans uniform; I've actually seen him in the backfield regularly, not something I'm used to seeing in Weaver. I'm not sure what the rest of his contract is worth, but I'm not sure buying a replacement is a better option right now.
I agree. Weaver has totally redeemed himself. Granted, he is expensive for what he does, but what he does - playing the run - he does very well. He makes a good first and second down LDE for us. I wouldn't extend him beyond his contract, but I wouldn't cut him either. Plus, for all the whining you hear for the lack of winning experience on this team, Weaver's winning experience on a very accomplished Baltimore defense seems to be overlooked.
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Well in the foiurth quarter with the game in doubt.....Weaver turned up alone in space with a shot at Rodgers to make a saftey. He wiffed. First step guy gets the sack. And maybe a saftey. Keep him don't keep him, whatever.

I understand beerlover wanting to hammer the LB first. What I can't understand is folks excepting Weavers lack of production all season long. We can do better than this.
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