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Old 01-02-2005   #1
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sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't see it any where else...

I went to the game today and when Carr came out towards the end of the fourth quarter after being shaken up the crowd cheered when Banks came in. Then when Carr came back in the next play the crowd booed. I don't know if this was audible on tv or radio.

I'm not one to say you shouldn't boo. You paid the money, if the product is bad then that's your choice. But I was a little shocked at this today.

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Houston fans are only happy when they get their way. Carr may have been a little off today but he wasn't bad. I'm definitely biased for Carr, but he is a good quarterback and has potential. Tell me what he did so wrong today? I'll be honest and say I didn't get to see much of the game...but looking at the numbers he had a decent day...what is wrong with the game he played?
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I agree. I thought this was very weak on the part of the fans. Carr didn't have his best day but he was also running for his life a lot. The booing on that play was very sad to hear.
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He didn't have a bad day either...you wanted him to stop turning the ball over- he didn't do that today, was better than 50%, and had a TD...what's wrong with that? Maybe part of the problem is AJ dropping the deep ball?
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They should have booed the overall effort of the team. Carr is the QB so he is the target. But he is one of 55 other players on that team. So, to put it on his shoulders solely is unfair.
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I didn't see the game, only heard on the radio, but it sounded to me with that many sacks, the rest of the O-line should have been boo'd too....Carr got his a** kicked in sacks, so he wasn't alone in losing this game...We need a good back up also to rely on if he has to stay out...I heard Kurt Warner is available and wants to leave NY since he was upset they replaced him with baby Manning......I'm not saying replace Carr, because i still think Carr is an awesome QB, but when he loses his confidence like he did, we need a back up thats as good as Carr when we need him...
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Texans Gal you are right. The fans pay the bills!!! They have a right to boo , hiss, yell, chant, etc.. This is an entertainment form not nuclear science or lab class. The protocol is to yell and scream---when it's good and when it's bad!!! Let's be Texan fans who , like Philly and others, show heart and emotion. And that means "booing" when a bum call is made, or a player like Carr consistently messes up. I played the game for years...believe me---booing will motivate!! It's like my coach at Chicago used to say, "There's nothing like the face of the gallows to motivate one's self". TRUE!!!!!!
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Carr deserved every boo he got today, he was terrible.

He actually showed some desire with that run after getting boo'ed. The Texans need to bring someone in to challenge him for his job next year. Overall he has been very average this year and has regressed the second half of the season.
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Carr deserved every boo he got today, he was terrible.

He actually showed some desire with that run after getting boo'ed. The Texans need to bring someone in to challenge him for his job next year. Overall he has been very average this year and has regressed the second half of the season.

what did he do that was so bad? give me reasons why he deserved to get booed...
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what did he do that was so bad? give me reasons why he deserved to get booed...
Because he is the leader of the offense and that unit was badly managed on the field. 114 passing yards against the worst team in the NFL deserves to be boo'ed. Carr was completely ineffective and Banks should have been in the game.
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I understand that, but tell me who to throw to deep down the field? Also, isn't it their offense to go with the short passes?

Kurt Warner doesn't want to be backup so I don't think he'd come to Houston. He wants to start...
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Because he is the leader of the offense and that unit was badly managed on the field. 114 passing yards against the worst team in the NFL deserves to be boo'ed. Carr was completely ineffective and Banks should have been in the game.
Even if Banks was in the game, i don't think the O-line could have protected him any better, he plays simular to Carr...But if you get a QB who can play against a team like the Browns that goes AFTER the QB , i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...
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Thats BS. DC was not the whole reason the offense struggled today. Gaffney dropped a ball that he should have caught on a 3rd down play to keep a drive going. The line needs to protect him better......


Now I will say maybe he can try to get rid of the ball quicker, but was the recievers open? Can't tell you that. But he didn't deserve to get boo'ed much less a cheer for Banks, that was weak.
I have to admit, as angry as i was also, whats the point of crushing the guys spirit from his fans...He also was down and he could have been hurt, and they were BOOing him...And look what he did when he came back in, ran down the field himself taking a tackle to get his respect back from the fans and get the first down...No this game was not all on him, the team as a whole screwed up royaly with stupid mistakes...But Carr did lose his confidence so that was my point of just taking him out of the game, at least for a while....

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sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't see it any where else...
I went to the game today and when Carr came out towards the end of the fourth quarter after being shaken up the crowd cheered when Banks came in. Then when Carr came back in the next play the crowd booed. I don't know if this was audible on tv or radio.
I'm not one to say you shouldn't boo. You paid the money, if the product is bad then that's your choice. But I was a little shocked at this today.
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I find it a little shocking too, but only because I haven't seen this by Houston fans before ...
it happens all the time elsewhere.
For what it's worth, I thought Banks should have been allowed to finish up the game at that point. What would it have hurt? .. give him some playing time, shake some of the rust off.. It's not like they were in trouble of losing a big lead or anything. He may have even put some points on the board.
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I find it a little shocking too, but only because I haven't seen this by Houston fans before ...
it happens all the time elsewhere.
I haven't read the whole thread yet but I remember Dan Pastorini calling the Houston fans fickle when the same thing happened to him but in a bigger way early in his career. Sports fans in general are not a patient group. This isn't a new thing for Houston, just more of a snapshot at fan reaction in general I think as a whole. Fans want to win, and win now....and they are reactionary and vocal. Always have been like that I think.
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Ah, kudos to starting this thread as this was one thing (well, among many) that stood out in this game.

Interesting quote from McKinney that he knows some guys were getting beat - he must've had plenty of time to watch his fellow linemen get beat after his rusher already passed him by.

I'm not sure if it's a different style, but interesting that the one play Banks was in he did a 3 step drop then stepped up into the pocket. Carr's style this game seemed to be more a 5 step drop then head further back and to the side. Banks didn't get a rush up the middle, where Carr seemed to always get the inside rush.

As for those that booed Carr coming back in.. y'all suck. Plain and simple. With little protection from the line, being sacked numerous times in your 3 nfl years, your team (coaches or players) unable to figure a cover 2, and about 1500 + pounds just waiting to come in and introduce you to the turf each play... I think you'd have some happy feet as well. As others noted above - you wanna boo.. aim it towards the O-line.

What to get in the offseason? A center, some TE's and a friggin pass rush on defense. Eveything else seems to be a good foundation.

Also, I'd like the TEXANS to be the underdogs in every game next season and EARN that "respect" they are searching for.. seems like they need to gain that back from the fans as well. No more 10 point favorites, thank you.
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IMO, I think were booing Carr for some decisions he was making, but I also think the fans were getting frustrated. I mean this is Cleveland. We should have wiped the turf with these guys. I think everyone was thinking this game was a walk in the park for the Texans, then they played. I know I was very frustrated at the Texans passing game. DD should've had 200 yards rushing. We should have run the ball more.
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I'm not sure if it's a different style, but interesting that the one play Banks was in he did a 3 step drop then stepped up into the pocket. Carr's style this game seemed to be more a 5 step drop then head further back and to the side. Banks didn't get a rush up the middle, where Carr seemed to always get the inside rush.

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Banks dumped it off to Davis for 5 yards. DD turned it into a 17 yard gain.
Dumping off to Davis is one of the biggest complaints on this board.
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I think were booing Carr for some decisions he was making, but I also think the fans were getting frustrated.
The boos were unmistakeably and vehemently directed at Carr (the player) as he walked back on the field to try and salvage what he could from the disaster. The boos weren't directed at a failed play or a play call. They were directed at him. He's part of a bigger issue with the offense but he will naturally catch all the flak because he is the QB and a signature player of the franchise. People can boo all they want, but "great" fans don't kick their own when they're down in my opinion. But at least it shows they care, I guess.

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....Banks dumped it off to Davis for 5 yards. DD turned it into a 17 yard gain.
Dumping off to Davis is one of the biggest complaints on this board.
Yeah, I'm not so much saying who was passed to - I'm more talking about the 3 step drop and step up vs. the 5 step drop and head to the side. Though, it's hard to step up when your have a turnstyle and revolving door in front of you.

MichaelMC - interesting you brought that up... reminds me of what was seen on the sideline... I didn't see any kind of discussion among the offensive players till just before the last series when they huddled up on the sideline with the coach talking to them. Other than that, Carr was sitting on the table, some of the O-line was on one bench, McKinney siting by the kickers, recievers sitting on another bench... Is that something typical? (General question not, just for Mike.)

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