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Old 10-02-2008   #1
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HOUSTON (AP)幽ere痴 something new: Neither the player leading Houston in touchdown receptions or the one with the most yards receiving is named Andre Johnson.

As defenses increasingly try to take Johnson out of games, Kevin Walter and Owen Daniels have emerged to get the Texans passing game on track.

Walter has scored three touchdowns this season and Daniels, a tight end, leads the team with 191 yards receiving. His 63.7 yards a game are the most by a tight end in the AFC and he痴 averaging 13.6 yards a catch.

Johnson had 10 receptions for 112 yards in the opener, but has had five receptions for 67 yards since then. Daniels had seven receptions for 87 yards in last week痴 overtime loss to the Jaguars and Walter had eight for 76 yards and two touchdowns.

鄭ndre is a great player for us, but he痴 not our only option out there, said Daniels, who痴 in his third season. 的f they want to try to take him away or cheat to him with a safety then that leaves other people open.

The big day by the pair helped the previously struggling Matt Schaub to his best game of the season. He threw for more than 300 yards in his first outing without a sack or a turnover.

的 think we池e better when we池e balanced and getting that ball spread around like we did the other day, coach Gary Kubiak said. 典hose kids stepped up and made the plays.
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Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to correlate with the defense:

Take Mario Williams away and....*crickets*
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Well, you wait and watch how much Kubiak will want Schaub to get the ball to Andre Johnson instead of sticking with what works. AJ needs to "get his," but he also needs to catch the ones that are thrown his way. It'll result (maybe) in AJ making some big plays, but it undoubtedly will cause the production numbers for Daniels and Walter to decrease if AJ doesn't do something when the ball's thrown his way. Then, the defense tightens up coverage on Daniels and Walter because AJ is not in a rhythm.

In the past, I have seen us begin to move the ball with a certain set of plays or whatever...only to get "cute" and try to do other stuff, too, which stops the chains from moving and puts the ball into the other team's hands.

I guarantee you, Daniels will see a drop-off in looks AND meaningful action in the weeks to come. It seems like it happens every freaking time he gets on a roll. Owen Daniels is going to figure out, soon, that he can command some big bucks in the free agency market...and probably put up Pro Bowl-worthy seasons elsewhere. He's really, really good.

Oh well, let's see if Kubiak dances with those who brung him...or if it's a session of "let's get cute" with the offense. I'm not saying that we decrease AJ's looks, etc., but Daniels and Walter need to be serious considerations...the sort of consideration that might mean Schaub needs to make one of them, or both of them, higher priorities on his progression(s) during a play.

Have we seen the little "quick pass" bubble-screen out to AJ this season? That's about a 5-10 yard gain almost every time unless the defense is stacked for it.
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Well, you wait and watch how much Kubiak will want Schaub to get the ball to Andre Johnson instead of sticking with what works. AJ needs to "get his," but he also needs to catch the ones that are thrown his way. It'll result (maybe) in AJ making some big plays, but it undoubtedly will cause the production numbers for Daniels and Walter to decrease if AJ doesn't do something when the ball's thrown his way. Then, the defense tightens up coverage on Daniels and Walter because AJ is not in a rhythm.

In the past, I have seen us begin to move the ball with a certain set of plays or whatever...only to get "cute" and try to do other stuff, too, which stops the chains from moving and puts the ball into the other team's hands.

I guarantee you, Daniels will see a drop-off in looks AND meaningful action in the weeks to come. It seems like it happens every freaking time he gets on a roll. Owen Daniels is going to figure out, soon, that he can command some big bucks in the free agency market...and probably put up Pro Bowl-worthy seasons elsewhere. He's really, really good.

Oh well, let's see if Kubiak dances with those who brung him...or if it's a session of "let's get cute" with the offense. I'm not saying that we decrease AJ's looks, etc., but Daniels and Walter need to be serious considerations...the sort of consideration that might mean Schaub needs to make one of them, or both of them, higher priorities on his progression(s) during a play.

Have we seen the little "quick pass" bubble-screen out to AJ this season? That's about a 5-10 yard gain almost every time unless the defense is stacked for it.
On your last question about the bubble screen, I doubt we see that this weekend given the Colts' cover-2 penchant. Of course, that didn't stop us from trying to force-feed that pass in the past.

That said, I completely agree that we need to avoid a "get cute" tendency while the rest of the passing is zipping along (hoping, hoping, hoping that Jacksonville is the harbinger of things to come). Most of Schaub's biggest mistakes have come while trying to force the ball into AJ's hands--in fact, by my count, 5 of the 8 picks Matt has thrown in games AJ played were intended for AJ.

AJ and Schaub are just not clicking at the moment. We all hope that changes, but such change needs to happen within the context of our overall gameplan. We are (finally) past the point of having our offense be "get the ball to Andre and hope he scores", so let's not junk what we've got in favor of "get the ball to Andre and hope he gets out of his funk".
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This is what I'd like to see from Andre Johnson . . .

Johnson is on a post-corner or go route, and he's got both a CB and a safety stuck to him like glue. Schaub sells the fake, drops back, and launches a perfectly spiraled rainbow and the ball is coming down right into group of three racing down the sideline, and all three are looking up at the ball.

Now AJ, being the elite receiver that is, will be patient. The DBs will be impatient. They will mistime their jump for the ball too early, and AJ will time his jump perfectly, and catch the ball while the 2 DBs are on the way down. And he walks into the endzone with two defenders laying on the ground.

If I ever see Johnson make a play like that . . . my criticism of him will end.

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This is what I'd like to see from Andre Johnson . . .

Johnson is on a post-corner or go route, and he's got both a CB and a safety stuck to him like glue. Schaub sells the fake, drops back, and launches a perfectly spiraled rainbow and the ball is coming down right into group of three racing down the sideline, and all three are looking up at the ball.

Now AJ, being the elite receiver that is, will be patient. The DBs will be impatient. They will mistime their jump for the ball too early, and AJ will time his jump perfectly, and catch the ball while the 2 DBs are on the way down. And he walks into the endzone with two defenders laying on the ground.

If I ever see Johnson make a play like that . . . my criticism of him will end.

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It's going to be a looooong wait Marcus.

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It's going to be a looooong wait Marcus.

I won't be holding my breath, that's for damn sure.
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2004 sideline pass completion over two MN db's for 36 yards. So your criticism has ended, correct?
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2004 sideline pass completion over two MN db's for 36 yards. So your criticism has ended, correct?
2004? A sideline completion?

Umm . . . no.
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Well, you wait and watch how much Kubiak will want Schaub to get the ball to Andre Johnson instead of sticking with what works. AJ needs to "get his," but he also needs to catch the ones that are thrown his way. It'll result (maybe) in AJ making some big plays, but it undoubtedly will cause the production numbers for Daniels and Walter to decrease if AJ doesn't do something when the ball's thrown his way. Then, the defense tightens up coverage on Daniels and Walter because AJ is not in a rhythm.

In the past, I have seen us begin to move the ball with a certain set of plays or whatever...only to get "cute" and try to do other stuff, too, which stops the chains from moving and puts the ball into the other team's hands.

I guarantee you, Daniels will see a drop-off in looks AND meaningful action in the weeks to come. It seems like it happens every freaking time he gets on a roll. Owen Daniels is going to figure out, soon, that he can command some big bucks in the free agency market...and probably put up Pro Bowl-worthy seasons elsewhere. He's really, really good.

Oh well, let's see if Kubiak dances with those who brung him...or if it's a session of "let's get cute" with the offense. I'm not saying that we decrease AJ's looks, etc., but Daniels and Walter need to be serious considerations...the sort of consideration that might mean Schaub needs to make one of them, or both of them, higher priorities on his progression(s) during a play.

Have we seen the little "quick pass" bubble-screen out to AJ this season? That's about a 5-10 yard gain almost every time unless the defense is stacked for it.
I'm not worried about Dre, as long as Dre is healthy.

The offense is never about getting one guy the ball, but Andre Johnson is going to get his. It didn't happen this last game, but it is going to happen. The only people upset with AJ not getting more touches last game, despite Schaub having 3 TD passes is Richard Justice and those people who have AJ on their fantasy teams.
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Such is life in the nfl for exceptional players on under-talented teams. If i were a d-coordinator i'd take my chances with 2-average players vs. a gamebreaker like AJ too.

kubes & schaub just have to get better at recognizing when defenses start creeping up on those two so he can hit AJ over the top. & everyone else has to make them pay for taking him away. I think all parties did a good job of that last game even though we lost.

For AJ's part.. he just needs to hang in there & take advantage when his opportunities do arise.

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