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Old 12-26-2004   #1
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Default We Need LT Logan Mankins

If your not familiar with this guy he is a stud LT out of Fresno State. He came to Fresno as a walk on tight end and now is 6-4 320. He could go anywhere from late 1 to 3 rnd(hard to project lineman from non-bcs conference, but from what i've heard this is where he could go). He would be an awesome 2nd round pick for us. He is hands down better than Wand and played against better comp in college and doesn't need polishing. He's a great pass blcoker and exceptional run blocker. He was on many espn highlights after we beat K-State. You should see how this guy finished plays and blocks. He can get out on sweeps and screens and pancakes anyone around. He has a real Texas attitude as well. He rodeo's in his spare time. would love to have this guy and you all would love him too.
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If your not familiar with this guy he is a stud LT out of Fresno State. He came to Fresno as a walk on tight end and now is 6-4 320. He could go anywhere from late 1 to 3 rnd(hard to project lineman from non-bcs conference, but from what i've heard this is where he could go). He would be an awesome 2nd round pick for us. He is hands down better than Wand and played against better comp in college and doesn't need polishing. He's a great pass blcoker and exceptional run blocker. He was on many espn highlights after we beat K-State. You should see how this guy finished plays and blocks. He can get out on sweeps and screens and pancakes anyone around. He has a real Texas attitude as well. He rodeo's in his spare time. would love to have this guy and you all would love him too.
sounds a lot like our LG.
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I'm pretty sure David Carr would approve

the biggest surprise so far of the bowl game players & Virginia has a stout defense and he kept them off his QB all day. great mobility, size & strength he could see time his first year but would still be considered a project, more like Wand
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans draft this guy but honestly, Seth Wand is going to have one more year of off-season work going into next year and he's going to improve. I think what the Texans really need on their offensive line is another center. You could take most of the pressure Carr has gotten this year away if you could just keep the middle of the o-line from being blown up all the time.

Now if we could get that replacement center (possibly a free agent if one's out there) and then draft Mankins to try and take the job away from Wand then I'd be good with that. Either way the Texans would win. If he can beat out Wand then it's an upgrade, if Wand puts his nose to the grindstone and holds him off then it's an upgrade.
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I can name about 10 guys I want over Mankins, he's good but not an NFL starter which we need

It's very possible that the Texans take Adam Terry out of Syracuse with their 1st round pick as a franchise left tackle
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Mankins is not a prototype LT, and a likely second day pick (if that). He doesn't have the long arms and classic build of a LT and would would just have another Pitts clone in size (Pitts is much more athletic).

I think the only two tackles we would consider with our first pick would be Jamaal Brown or Alex Barron since Ferguson isn't coming out.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans draft this guy but honestly, Seth Wand is going to have one more year of off-season work going into next year and he's going to improve. I think what the Texans really need on their offensive line is another center. You could take most of the pressure Carr has gotten this year away if you could just keep the middle of the o-line from being blown up all the time.
Seems to me that a lot of folks don't recognize that bad play by the center can make the OT's look worse. Pressure up the gut means no pocket and no place for Carr to step up, letting the tackles use their egregiously long arms to run DE's out of the play. Instead Carr is backing up to avoid getting stepped on by McKinney and backs into the awaiting arms of the DE's. The OT gets credit for giving up the sack but the real problem was the middle of the OL.
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Why don't we ever see any smallish (say 'bout 275 lb), but quick and mobile
LTs in the NFL ? I realize they have to deal with the large stunting DTs from
time to time, but most of their energy is spent to keep the speed-rushing,
weakside DEs (or OLB in 3-4), out of the QBs face. And whether were talking
a compact Freeney, or long & lithe Jason Taylor, most of the time these guys
are 260-265 lbs. and they just run circles (literally), around the 325 lb hulk
LTs.
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thats a good question, it would seem with the right blend of attitude & atheliticism a 270-290 LT could be effective in the right scheme. That being said the 6-7 330 lb NFL LT are desired because:
  • have large strong hands & long arms to control attacker
  • durability is crucial because of the physical nature of the position
  • massive size walls off defenders clearing passing lanes
  • massive size combined with sound fundamentals creates wide base allowing QB mobility within the pocket

back to Logan Mankins, here is a little note from his bio some may find ironic-

(2001) Started all 14 games ... a first-team Freshman All-America selection by The Sporting News ... as a freshman, was given the responsibility to protect David Carr's blind side brilliantly all year, allowing only two sacks ... helped give Carr the time to break numerous Fresno State single-season and career passing records ... opened the holes for running back Paris Gaines to rush for 1,018 yards ... honorable mention All-WAC.
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Why don't we ever see any smallish (say 'bout 275 lb), but quick and mobile
LTs in the NFL ? I realize they have to deal with the large stunting DTs from
time to time, but most of their energy is spent to keep the speed-rushing,
weakside DEs (or OLB in 3-4), out of the QBs face. And whether were talking
a compact Freeney, or long & lithe Jason Taylor, most of the time these guys
are 260-265 lbs. and they just run circles (literally), around the 325 lb hulk
LTs.
Freeney may be a hall of fame player. He is just an exception and plays at an elite level. A shorter faster guy would not help against Freeney. You really need long arms and long legs to be a good LT. When you backpeddle you do not want to take a ton of big steps without erroding your center of gravity because once you do that the DE just turns his edge rush into a bullrush and you get pushed into the QB. You want to use your long arms to keep the defender as far from your body as you can push them when they are engaged in an edge rush. Shorter guys have a harder time eating up space with the same amount of steps and they have shorter arms which really play into the defenders bag of tricks.
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A shorter faster guy would not help against Freeney. You really need long arms and long legs to be a good LT.
I said 275 lbs, but I did not say shorter. Just because I say 275 shouldn't automatically mean 6'1"-6'2". Gotta think outside the box. I do appreciate the need of the tackles to have long limbs. What I have in mind is the body type of a basketball power forward, say a Antonio Gates. According to our website
Matt Murphy is 6'5" & 260. Put 15-20 lbs on him and you have what I'm talking about in terms of size, height, weight, physical dimentions. Maybe
these college kids wouldn't get that excited about being a full time blocker
vs. a TE who is receiver/blocker, but they might when they find out that
many LTs in the NFL make > $ than TEs. A guy like this would have a lot better chance keeping a Freeny, J.Taylor, or T. Suggs off a QBs butt than some 325-350 stumbling hulk.
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Isn't it true that a shorter person has a lower center of gravity? Longer arms are easier to push away and take longer to reposition. It is easy to follow the prototype. It takes guts to change the game. If Freeny is out there blowing by these bulky guys, then how would it hurt to try a smaller faster guy with better footwork who understands leverage and balance. Arms ar just one aspect. Footwork is very important as well. I know it would be tougher for Freeney to bullrush a shorter player who has the same strength and weight as the taller player. I know you are losing space, but you gain recovery time and speed.
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Eslinger will not make it til the 4th, unless he has a bad combine. If the Texans target him they may need to spend the 2nd to get him or trade back into the second round. Minnesota owned teh Dawgs D yesterday and was able to run on the 8 man front they typically use; and Minnesota was the first team this year to have a 100 yrd rusher agaist Georgia.
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Eslinger will not make it til the 4th, unless he has a bad combine. If the Texans target him they may need to spend the 2nd to get him or trade back into the second round. Minnesota owned teh Dawgs D yesterday and was able to run on the 8 man front they typically use; and Minnesota was the first team this year to have a 100 yrd rusher agaist Georgia.
Minnesota played Alabama, not Georgia.
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My mistake. I thought there was something wrong with what I was typing but couldn't put my finger on it. Too much booze last night?
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