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Old 08-22-2008   #1
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OK. I've seen the fire Smith thread. I completely disagree. I think what we saw today, with relatively vanila offense vs relatively vanilla defense, is that we don't have the talent yet. Our DBs were HORRIBLE. Our LBS were slow and our DL was ineffective in the pass rush. In the preseason, that's not the coordinator. That's the players. The fact is we have several HUGE holes on this defense.

First, our CBs. With the exception of a few plays, the whole group looked awful. I know Romo had time to throw, but no one was effectively covered even from the start of several plays. Bennett has potential but I didn't see anyone else that resembled NFL coverage. DC can't do that, oh and you can't really blitz effectively if you can't cover.

Our LBs. Tackling was terrible all the way around. I love Ryans, but he looked flat tonight. Very flat. Diles had a decent game, but other than the interception, he was getting drug around too.

Our DL was decent against the run, but provided NO pass rush at all. Very few times was anyone close to Romo. I'm speaking of the first team because that's really what matters from this game.

This was a bad game all around by our defense but it doesn't lie at the DCs feet. This is the preseason, and this is vanilla vs vanilla. Its quite obvious that physically we can't (or failed to if we can) compete with them physically. If someone was out there dominating physically and we then turn in a horrible season, then you know its on the DC. We really need to find someone to rush the passer opposite MW. He was getting double teamed all night long and if he's doing that, hes done his job. He's occupying 2 blockers so we should have an advantage. I really don't know how you fix this.

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Fire SMITH! This is the 3rd year that we have not seen anything creative fromm the scheme. You cannot rely on 4 guys to always get pressure, especially on a PRO BOWL dominated offensive line! Fire him on Monday!
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what is the defense missing?

A sense of purpose? Clear direction? A sense of urgency?
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Default Re: What is the Defense Missing?

They had no fire from the beginning of the game. They played like it was a preseason game. We'll have something to worry about if they play this way against the Steelers on opening day.
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What is the defense missing? A ****ing coach, that what's they're missing.
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Default Re: What is the Defense Missing?

Without a pass rush, this secondary will continue to get exposed. The secondary is already not great, so it can ill afford to go without help from the front four. With what the team has invested in the front four, there is ZERO excuse for the pathetic pass rush that we saw tonight.

The LB corps needs work, but the expectations aren't as high, outside of Ryans. The secondary has a 4th round pick that we're all high on, a scrub that the Cowboys let go, and a handful of late round picks and journeymen. The D-Line consists of three 1st round picks, a free agent signing that more was expected of, and role players that have outplayed the starters some of the time.
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Default Re: What is the Defense Missing?

I'd rather see young players like Cochran, Adibi, and Molden out there, instead of vets who just don't have it. I'm tired of waiting for guys like Weaver to live up to their contract. I don't care if the young guys make mistakes. As long as they do it running.

Smith has a couple of games to get this together. I've seen coordinators replaced during the season. Right here in Houston.
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A coach that has a clue, and experience is what their missing. Our defense is young, but boy I hope they have short memory, cause I don't want them to remember anything that R.Smith taught them.
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I'd rather see young players like Cochran, Adibi, and Molden out there, instead of vets who just don't have it. I'm tired of waiting for guys like Weaver to live up to their contract. I don't care if the young guys make mistakes. As long as they do it running.

Smith has a couple of games to get this together. I've seen coordinators replaced during the season. Right here in Houston.
Id like to see Okam mixed in this cocktail. We need some size inside....TJ and Okoye are getting manhandled and pushed around. They are good in pursuit and running to the ball but don't look all that great when run at...and they also struggle at keeping the guards off of DeMeco.
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Fire SMITH! This is the 3rd year that we have not seen anything creative fromm the scheme. You cannot rely on 4 guys to always get pressure, especially on a PRO BOWL dominated offensive line! Fire him on Monday!
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Default Re: What is the Defense Missing?

My analysis of the defense.

Overall:

The Texans are missing a lot of players in the primes of their careers because we drafted defense so poorly for so long and gave away draft picks with little in return. This means that a lot of our defensive players who are promising are too young. And there are not that many very talented older accomplished mentors to help them along. We have a lot of really young players, a few ancient players, and few in the middle.

Defensive Line. As Kubiak mentioned at the end of last season, the defensive line is imbalanced. Part of that is because of the transitioning from the 3-4 and dealing with those personnel.

DE: It's Mario on one side and no good options on the other side.
DT: Amobi and TJ play the same position and when they are on the field together they are small. Okam is young but more suitable to play next to Amobi/TJ.

Linebackers. It's DeMeco and a bunch of make-dos and young guys.

Safeties. It has been the weakness of the team since the beginning. We've never seen great safety play. Call it the Matt Stevens curse, if you will.

CBs. They are the most inexperienced group the Texans have ever fielded. That means it would take a miracle for them to be really really good even if they will be some day. I still have a hard time seeing Robinson shaking off rust and coming back full speed this season.

Depth. Lots of players doesn't mean lots of depth. In sum, Richard Justice was being disingenous or perhaps just plain ill-informed when he said,"For the first time, the Texans enter a season without a glaring weakness." I read that and went wha?

The freaking defense has been near the bottom of the league in just about every statistical category for the last three seasons. To move from bottom to even average meant that they needed some big improvement in play and coaching. What were the great acquisitions that meant that the defense was going to be all better?
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Bigger, tougher, meaner, faster.
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OK. I've seen the fire Smith thread. I completely disagree. I think what we saw today, with relatively vanila offense vs relatively vanilla defense, is that we don't have the talent yet. Our DBs were HORRIBLE. Our LBS were slow and our DL was ineffective in the pass rush. In the preseason, that's not the coordinator. That's the players. The fact is we have several HUGE holes on this defense.

First, our CBs. With the exception of a few plays, the whole group looked awful. I know Romo had time to throw, but no one was effectively covered even from the start of several plays. Bennett has potential but I didn't see anyone else that resembled NFL coverage. DC can't do that, oh and you can't really blitz effectively if you can't cover.

Our LBs. Tackling was terrible all the way around. I love Ryans, but he looked flat tonight. Very flat. Diles had a decent game, but other than the interception, he was getting drug around too.

Our DL was decent against the run, but provided NO pass rush at all. Very few times was anyone close to Romo. I'm speaking of the first team because that's really what matters from this game.

This was a bad game all around by our defense but it doesn't lie at the DCs feet. This is the preseason, and this is vanilla vs vanilla. Its quite obvious that physically we can't (or failed to if we can) compete with them physically. If someone was out there dominating physically and we then turn in a horrible season, then you know its on the DC. We really need to find someone to rush the passer opposite MW. He was getting double teamed all night long and if he's doing that, hes done his job. He's occupying 2 blockers so we should have an advantage. I really don't know how you fix this.

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but all those faults scream that it IS the defensive coordinator.
Vanilla or not, what's our defensive M.O.??
Can you tell me?
How do you know who to draft if you can't identify your defensive philosopy?
How do you know what F/As fit your scheme when there is no scheme?
Are we a beat 'em senseless defense so that you go for size and strength up front or are we a pursue and gang tackle defense so that you get players with speed and quickness?

There are two kinds of successful coaches, IMO.
1) the kind that evaluates who they have and design a scheme to their strengths
and
2) the kind that has a scheme he knows will work and sets about getting people who can execute it and execute it well.

Is Richard Smith either of those?
Not that I can tell.
He needs to go.

We've identified what kind of team we want to be on offense. AND we've brought the players in we thought could thrive (some misses, some hits) in that type of offense.
We need to do the same thing on defense.
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They're missing

1. A good defensive coordinator
2. A decent #2 corner
3. A pass rush from the defensive line
4. Two more good linebackers
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They're missing

1. A good defensive coordinator
2. A decent #2 corner
4. Two more good linebackers
Those three could be on this team already, and most likely they'll usurp their respected position by the end of this season.



Or by the bye week. You know, whatever happens along the way.

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We're missing a WILL. Greenwood is killing me.

I've always thought this, but if the Texans are going with a "smaller, quicker" personnel on the defensive side of the ball, we're going to get pushed around from time to time. Aside from Mario and Bennett(compared to other CB's)...we're a pretty small team. If we're going against mauling type offenses, like Pittsburgh, we must compensate lack of size with quickness. So far, not so good
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they're missing

1. A good defensive coordinator
2. A decent #2 corner
3. A pass rush from the defensive line
4. Two more good linebackers
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