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Old 08-21-2008   #1
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I'm currently having a spirited debate on another forum witha VY homer who claims that the Titans DEF/ST dont have nearly as much to do with the Titans winning games than people seem to think. Here's a snippet from it:


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And the Titans had 8 regular season games where they scored 17 points or less. Going 4-4 in those games. I guess those wins had nothing to do with the superior DEF/ST?

Of those 8 games only 2 of them did they score atleast 16 points. In 6 of those games they scored 13 points or less... going 3-3 in those 6 games. I guess it was the DEF/ST fault they lost those 3 games?

Yes, he had much more of an impact on his team's W/L record than Rex Grossman for the 06 Bears...LOL
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"And the Titans had 8 regular season games where they scored 17 points or less. Going 4-4 in those games. I guess those wins had nothing to do with the superior DEF/ST?"

Jeff Fisher has always been a ball control coach. He prefers winning the time of possession, instead of lighting up the scoreboard.Thats why the Titans under his watch, have traditionally run the ball so much.



"Yes, he had much more of an impact on his team's W/L record than Rex Grossman for the 06 Bears...LOL"

Thanks for agreeing with me captain obvious.
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Yes, you read that correctly, the homer actually claimed that a ball control offense equates to not scoring points!!! I'm convinced he could give SH a run for his money!!!
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Hey look! I have a tail! I think I'm going to chase it now!
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I've been thinking about the Titans for a few days, how I disagree with their draft strategy, how they really aren't that good of a team but are so darn competitive and produce these scrappy wins.

I'll preface this with my thoughts on VY. I think the guy is a tremendous talent, extremely athletic, fun to watch... a guy you want to root for (unless your a rival), and is a good motivator/leader, he pushes his teammates to be better. On the other hand, if it's not Madden... I don't want him to be my QB, in real football I don't like the scrambling kind, he can't throw the ball worth a darn- has no accuracy, relies WAY too much on his God-given talent and not his football smarts. I'll give him another few years to progress his football IQ before I really call him a bust.

With that said, he doesn't have the talent at WR to be that successful. TE's should provide for a good target for him (shorter passes). Why the hell don't the draft a good WR for him!!?? Well the answer I've finally realized is that the front office understands it wouldn't make that much difference right now.

The Titans have an awesome rushing attack now. Between VY, Johnson, White, Henry? (last years pick?) anyways... teams know they're going to run the ball yet they will still be able to be successful. This limits the amount of passes VY has to attempt (less turnovers) and keeps the T.O.P. in the titans favor. Then you get to their Defense and Special teams which are very good. Their easily a top 10 D going into the season with room to crack the top 5 in my opinion...

VY's job is easy in that offensive strategy. He's not a great QB and never will be because he's not really going to be forced to be a prototypical QB. All that matters is W's and they'll find a way to get those. He'll be a good football player but never a great QB.
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I've been thinking about the Titans for a few days, how I disagree with their draft strategy, how they really aren't that good of a team but are so darn competitive and produce these scrappy wins.

I'll preface this with my thoughts on VY. I think the guy is a tremendous talent, extremely athletic, fun to watch... a guy you want to root for (unless your a rival), and is a good motivator/leader, he pushes his teammates to be better. On the other hand, if it's not Madden... I don't want him to be my QB, in real football I don't like the scrambling kind, he can't throw the ball worth a darn- has no accuracy, relies WAY too much on his God-given talent and not his football smarts. I'll give him another few years to progress his football IQ before I really call him a bust.
Where does this misconception come from that vy has football smarts? The offense at UT was dumbed down for vy to a first read if open throw if not run. He could not grasp Chows playbook and it was dumbed down and in his second year he regressed and got chow fired. Now they have a new old coordinator who is talking about working on his mechanics (which should have been done while he was in High School). So someone please explain to me where this premis is that he has football smarts. He is a gifted athlete I will give him that but that is all he is.
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Now they have a new old coordinator who is talking about working on his mechanics (which should have been done while he was in High School).

There is nothing wrong with VYs throwing mechanics.


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With that said, he doesn't have the talent at WR to be that successful.
*cough*EXCUSE*cough*

If VY is not a good passer, then how can we truly judge the WRs?
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*cough*EXCUSE*cough*

If VY is not a good passer, then how can we truly judge the WRs?
He could become one...
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relies WAY too much on his God-given talent and not his football smarts.
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Where does this misconception come from that vy has football smarts? The offense at UT was dumbed down for vy to a first read if open throw if not run. He could not grasp Chows playbook and it was dumbed down and in his second year he regressed and got chow fired. Now they have a new old coordinator who is talking about working on his mechanics (which should have been done while he was in High School). So someone please explain to me where this premis is that he has football smarts. He is a gifted athlete I will give him that but that is all he is.
Well maybe I didn't say that the best way I could have? I don't think it's a misconception that he has football smarts. It's the level those smarts are at. Maybe I should have said "or lack thereof"... ANYWAYS... the whole point is all he uses is his talent... if all you do is go off your talent, you'll rarely ever progess, especially at QB. I completely agree with what your saying though. I thought they should have selected Leinart but that's irrelevant now. What is relevant is when they selected VY.. Chow was done- Vince would never fit as a pocket passer. In order for him to progress, he's got to be taught.

And yes he does have football smarts- he gat a what.. 6 on the wonderlick? No smarts would be Zero, I never said it was good football smarts
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*cough*EXCUSE*cough*

If VY is not a good passer, then how can we truly judge the WRs?
I'm not trying to make excuses for him whatsoever. But I'd love to hear you argue that the Titans wideouts are good. Where would you rank them relative to the other nfl teams? I think we can all agree they COULD use an upgrade.
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