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Old 07-30-2008   #1
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And it appears that once again, we have had an outstanding draft.

Granted, we haven't even seen these guys in live game action, but all of the early indicators are looking good on every one of these guys. There is no talk of someone being a disapointment, or playing catch up, etc.

Here's a brief look on some of what I have seen/heard/read on each of these guys -

Duane Brown - early reports are that he appears light and nimble on his feet, with good quickness. Most importantly, he seems to be more than holding his own as a pass protector, which is job one. Might be a litle behind in the run blocking, but no reason to think he can't improve there. I don't know if he will start at Pitt, but expect him to be the starter around the quarter mark myself. We'll see.

Antwaun Molden - From multiple sources, appears to be having an exceptional camp. If he keeps it up, I could also see him pushing Reeves early in the season, and he will get plenty of PT as a rookie. Could be a 3rd rd steal.

Steve Slaton - Looks like he could be a poor mans Reggie Bush without the prima donna part. Not in his league as a pass catcher at this point, but a speed guy who seems to like to get the edge. Look for big things on 3rd down this yr.

Xavier Adibi - By all accounts, quick agile and active. Per Kubiak has very good instincts. Seems to be a nickel/dime guy at the moment who will star on ST, but I expect him to push Greenwood hard by the end of the year.

Frank Okam - Per John McClain, having an excllent camp and looks like he is totally motivated and ready to create havoc. Again, if he keeps this up, he will push for PT early on and don't be suprised if he starts at some point. Could be another steal.

Dominque Barber - I expect him to go on the practice squad, but early reports have been positive and he looks like a player too. Just think there is too much depth at safety for him to break on the 53 man roster this yr.

Alex Brink - Still the one pick that's a total head scratcher, but might be grooming him as the #2 in the likely event of Sage's departure. He seems to have some tools, and we'll see if he develops.

If any of you guys that have been at camp have anything to add, let's hear it. This way all of our rooks are in one thread and a good place to read up on them in one place.
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I think what has made a world of difference, is not just the draft picks themselves, but also the coaching staff and the overall attitude of the team. The NFL has a quick learning curve. For most, if you don't grab the bull by the horns within the first couple of seasons, your career is over. A good example is David Carr. Every team thought the guy had what it took. But no leadership in the locker room, along with poor teaching and horrible coaching, never allowed this guy to progress. Hence, couple hundred sacks later and pocket shy, a shell of what could have been. But, if you come in, learn, get proper instruction, and have the proper environment to learn, you can takes leaps! That is how the good teams have stayed on top so long. Great veteran leadership and competent stability in the front office. Neither of which the Texans had either in tthe leagues existence. Now we are seeing older guys aid the younger, while at the same time, welcoming the challenge. We are seeing coaches hold players accountable on the field, not just to show up at the bank and cash a free agent check. Again. Kudos to Smith, Kubs, the remaining coaching staff, and the players buying into the system.....
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All of the draft picks from the last 3 years have looked OUTSTANDING. Between Mario, Amobi, DeMeco, Daniels, Winston, Bennett, Studdard, and now with Molden looking outstanding, and Adibi and Brown both looking like they could push for a starters job, holy shit.

Whoever is doing the drafting needs to remain a Texan for the next decade.
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Nice pittbull. I think often times the coaching staff is under looked, but these guys have made a world of difference and helped several of our players tap into their potential. Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes will definitely make some of our new rooks look great down the line.
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I agree on all points. I think we see five of this year's draft picks make an impact on this team. I think the front office has done an excellent job of picking guys who (i) fit the system, (ii) fit the personality of the team and (iii) are good character.

I think another big reason of the success of these players is the willingness of the veterans on the roster to help rookies get caught up and adjust. One of the first thing we saw this new front office do is rid the team of some bad elements and replace them with solid veterans who would serve as an example to the younger players. We don't hear it mentioned much, but you have to believe that a lot of Bennet's success should be credited to Dunta...and we are seeing Dunta do the same thing with Molden. Look at Salaam and Brown. The same could be said for Sage helping Schaub get up to speed last year.

There is just a good feel about the players on this team. Guys doing what they can for the TEAM, notwithstanding the fact that they may be training the guy who will push them back on the depth chart. This sort of attitude becomes the fabric of a team and sets a tone for how this year's rookies will help along rookies to come.
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I agree on all points. I think we see five of this year's draft picks make an impact on this team. I think the front office has done an excellent job of picking guys who (i) fit the system, (ii) fit the personality of the team and (iii) are good character.

I think another big reason of the success of these players is the willingness of the veterans on the roster to help rookies get caught up and adjust. One of the first thing we saw this new front office do is rid the team of some bad elements and replace them with solid veterans who would serve as an example to the younger players. We don't hear it mentioned much, but you have to believe that a lot of Bennet's success should be credited to Dunta...and we are seeing Dunta do the same thing with Molden. Look at Salaam and Brown. The same could be said for Sage helping Schaub get up to speed last year.

There is just a good feel about the players on this team. Guys doing what they can for the TEAM, notwithstanding the fact that they may be training the guy who will push them back on the depth chart. This sort of attitude becomes the fabric of a team and sets a tone for how this year's rookies will help along rookies to come.

I realize that we have had a huge turnover in the roster since Smith and Kubiak got here.

I thought it was just a matter of upgrading talent.

Could you expound on who the "bad element" players were that we rid ourselves of, as I really can't think of any.

If you consider lack of talent to be the same as "bad element" then disregard.

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I realize that we have had a huge turnover in the roster since Smith and Kubiak got here.

I thought it was just a matter of upgrading talent.

Could you expound on who the "bad element" players were that we rid ourselves of, as I really can't think of any.

If you consider lack of talent to be the same as "bad element" then disregard.

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David Carr, Robaire Smith, Gary Walker, Jabar Gaffney, P-Buc, & Todd Wade just to a few. They were either lockerroom cancers (Carr, P-Buc, Smith) or lacked talent (Gaffney, Walker).
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I think we've got a ways to go before we can even form a tentitive grade for our Draft. Obviously it's more about how Duane Brown turns out than any other player, especially since we didn' have a 2nd round pick again this year making the first round choice even more important. And all indications are he is athletic with potential, but still maybe not a reasonably good bet to be a starting NL LT anytime in the near furture.
And at first I would have agreed with you about Alex Brink being the most dubious pick, but now I think it's Dominque Barber. I dunno why we needed one more safety given the many we alread have on our roster, while on the other hand Kubiak does have to seriously begin contemplating the need for a backup QB for the starter when Schaub or Sage are no longer with the team ?
And so far, based upon what I've read, I gotta think that CB Mauden is looking like the best pick, given where he was taken, the relative importance of the CB position, and early assessments of his performance in the NFL.
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At some point the national talking heads should realize that maybe the people in charge down here know a little bit about the game. Until then I assume every draft pick of the Texans will be mocked.
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I think we've got a ways to go before we can even form a tentitive grade for our Draft. Obviously it's more about how Duane Brown turns out than any other player, especially since we didn' have a 2nd round pick again this year making the first round choice even more important. And all indications are he is athletic with potential, but still maybe not a reasonably good bet to be a starting NL LT anytime in the near furture.
And at first I would have agreed with you about Alex Brink being the most dubious pick, but now I think it's Dominque Barber. I dunno why we needed one more safety given the many we alread have on our roster, while on the other hand Kubiak does have to seriously begin contemplating the need for a backup QB for the starter when Schaub or Sage are no longer with the team ?
And so far, based upon what I've read, I gotta think that CB Mauden is looking like the best pick, given where he was taken, the relative importance of the CB position, and early assessments of his performance in the NFL.

Whaat do you consider the near future? I would bank on him being the starting LT by the bye week at worst, and possibly as soon as opening day, although I tend to think of that as a long shot.

I think you have a valid point on Barber/Brink. I wasn't wild about either selection at the time, I am simply reporting what I have read or heard about each. At this point, I am not assessing what we should have done with the pick, only what they have done so far in camp.

On Mouldon you seem to maybe contridict yourself a bit there. First you say we cannot even fathom a tentative grade, and then go on to say he looks like the best pick based on his early camp performance.

All in all, a good post. I tend to enjoy reading what you have to say.
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Whaat do you consider the near future? I would bank on him being the starting LT by the bye week at worst, and possibly as soon as opening day, although I tend to think of that as a long shot.

I think you have a valid point on Barber/Brink. I wasn't wild about either selection at the time, I am simply reporting what I have read or heard about each. At this point, I am not assessing what we should have done with the pick, only what they have done so far in camp.

On Mouldon you seem to maybe contridict yourself a bit there. First you say we cannot even fathom a tentative grade, and then go on to say he looks like the best pick based on his early camp performance.

All in all, a good post. I tend to enjoy reading what you have to say.
My impression (granted, that's anything but a real confidant prediction), is that Mouden is atleast as close to be a starting NFL CB as Brown is to being a starting NFL LT if not more so. Now we would expect that from a 3rd rounder, but on the other hand all but one of our seven number 1 picks up to now have started from Day 1, and I don't expect either one of these guys to start against the Steelers.
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And at first I would have agreed with you about Alex Brink being the most dubious pick, but now I think it's Dominque Barber. I dunno why we needed one more safety given the many we alread have on our roster,
FYI At todays practice it appeared that Barber and Earl where working with the 2nd team. The Brandons where where further down the food chain.
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FYI At todays practice it appeared that Barber and Earl where working with the 2nd team. The Brandons where where further down the food chain.
This (too many Safeties) is a good problem to have. Besides, the Brandons both have another year of eligibility on the PS and Barber should have 2 years. So, whoever they pick between the 3, the other 2 should be put on the PS, provided they make it through waivers. I've been hearing Earl has been having a good camp, so he should make the team with no problem. Not sure where Ferguson or Simmons stand as far as making the team, but there sure are going to be some tough cuts at the end of camp. JMHO!
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And it appears that once again, we have had an outstanding draft.

Granted, we haven't even seen these guys in live game action, but all of the early indicators are looking good on every one of these guys. There is no talk of someone being a disapointment, or playing catch up, etc.

Here's a brief look on some of what I have seen/heard/read on each of these guys -

Duane Brown - early reports are that he appears light and nimble on his feet, with good quickness. Most importantly, he seems to be more than holding his own as a pass protector, which is job one. Might be a litle behind in the run blocking, but no reason to think he can't improve there. I don't know if he will start at Pitt, but expect him to be the starter around the quarter mark myself. We'll see.

Antwaun Molden - From multiple sources, appears to be having an exceptional camp. If he keeps it up, I could also see him pushing Reeves early in the season, and he will get plenty of PT as a rookie. Could be a 3rd rd steal.

Steve Slaton - Looks like he could be a poor mans Reggie Bush without the prima donna part. Not in his league as a pass catcher at this point, but a speed guy who seems to like to get the edge. Look for big things on 3rd down this yr.

Xavier Adibi - By all accounts, quick agile and active. Per Kubiak has very good instincts. Seems to be a nickel/dime guy at the moment who will star on ST, but I expect him to push Greenwood hard by the end of the year.

Frank Okam - Per John McClain, having an excllent camp and looks like he is totally motivated and ready to create havoc. Again, if he keeps this up, he will push for PT early on and don't be suprised if he starts at some point. Could be another steal.

Dominque Barber - I expect him to go on the practice squad, but early reports have been positive and he looks like a player too. Just think there is too much depth at safety for him to break on the 53 man roster this yr.

Alex Brink - Still the one pick that's a total head scratcher, but might be grooming him as the #2 in the likely event of Sage's departure. He seems to have some tools, and we'll see if he develops.

If any of you guys that have been at camp have anything to add, let's hear it. This way all of our rooks are in one thread and a good place to read up on them in one place.

nice write-up, rep your way

imagine the players Smith/Kubiak will add going forward, selecting in the 2nd rd.?
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Antwaun Molden - From multiple sources, appears to be having an exceptional camp. If he keeps it up, I could also see him pushing Reeves early in the season, and he will get plenty of PT as a rookie. Could be a 3rd rd steal.
I hope you're right. With our secondary problems the last couple of years and Dunta being out, he could really help this football team if he can play at a high level.

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