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Old 05-20-2008   #1
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As per Chron.com...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5792609.html

Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.
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Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.

Actually Nitro, you bring up some valid points.

Just don't discount what he's done beyond the draft. Remember, what he's done with picking up FA acquisitions off of the street too...
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Why re-up so early?
It's not that early. Smith is in the final year of his contract.
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It's not that early. Smith is in the final year of his contract.
Is he? I thought he signed a three year contract. It's now year two?
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Is he? I thought he signed a three year contract. It's now year two?
He signed a 3 year deal in 2006. 2008, this year, is the final year of the contract.
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He signed a 3 year deal in 2006. 2008, this year, is the final year of the contract.
Okay. I was thinking about this...

He signed with the Texans after the 2006 draft. Logically, I would think that his contract would be up after the 2009 draft.

Which is why I think we're maybe jumping the gun a little bit on the renegotiation.

Or are you certain that it expires at the end of 2008?
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I think it'd be a smart move to extend it this summer.

I like his dedication, his demeanor, his approach to the draft and free agency, and how well it seems him and Kubiak work in tandem to build this organization from the ground up. Seems like one of those guys that when he gets this team built up to where it needs to be he has the forethought to make solid decisions down the road.

Another thing I'd like to get him signed long term is if you look at winning teams in the NFL usually you have ownership and front office stability.
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I think it'd be a smart move to extend it this summer.
It should at least match up with Kubiak's contract, which expires after the 2010 season.
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I think it'd be a smart move to extend it this summer.

I like his dedication, his demeanor, his approach to the draft and free agency, and how well it seems him and Kubiak work in tandem to build this organization from the ground up. Seems like one of those guys that when he gets this team built up to where it needs to be he has the forethought to make solid decisions down the road.

Another thing I'd like to get him signed long term is if you look at winning teams in the NFL usually you have ownership and front office stability.
Golden I'm down with you on that. I think the guy has shown enuff already and we shouldn't wait. Nitro I understand what you are saying to but sometimes you just get a feeling.
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Actually Nitro, you bring up some valid points.

Just don't discount what he's done beyond the draft. Remember, what he's done with picking up FA acquisitions off of the street too...
Sure but was that really him or was that a result of our team being as bad as it was? It wasn't really all that hard to come in off the street and make our roster at one time or another. Pains me to say this but we were a really bad football team at his inception.

If I were an FA off the street looking to try and get into the NFL, I'd be looking at the worst team in the NFL since my chances would be better of making the team. I really think that this season is Rick Smith's contract year. Let's play the season and see how it pans out. I really really don't want to extend his contract right now. I'm afraid to!

Again, I'm a big fan of Smith.
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Sure but was that really him or was that a result of our team being as bad as it was? It wasn't really all that hard to come in off the street and make our roster at one time or another. Pains me to say this but we were a really bad football team at his inception.

If I were an FA off the street looking to try and get into the NFL, I'd be looking at the worst team in the NFL since my chances would be better of making the team. I really think that this season is Rick Smith's contract year. Let's play the season and see how it pans out. I really really don't want to extend his contract right now. I'm afraid to!

Again, I'm a big fan of Smith.
riiiiiiight....
think about what you're saying...

This is the last year of Rick's deal. What message would waiting to extend it send?
If I were Rick, and Bob McNair wasn't interested in extending my soon-to-expire contract, it would indicate I might need to start putting feelers out to find another job in another city. If I'm going to be working for the Texans, then I need to know now so I can start preparing for the 2009 draft.

Or would you rather wait until after the college football season has come and gone?

And "afraid" of WHAT!?
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riiiiiiight....
think about what you're saying...
My my.. Aren't you a bundle of joy here?

It's a message board? Isn't this where I come to get information from fellow fans? Seriously... work on your demeanor. Just because you're fifty something years old doesn't give you the right to mockingly dismiss who I'm a fan of. I'm a big fan of Rick Smith and you're not going to mock that, old man. Respect given is respect earned. You've earned nothing from me.

That being said...

I'm under the impression that he's in year two of his contract. At best, he's got one full year to go. Not seven months as Lucky implied. For me to even ask to see at least how our picks are panning out over camp and stuff isn't asking much on waiting before signing Smith to a blockbuster contract which is what I probably want to happen because I'm a huge fan of him. I just want to get a better sampling is all.

If his contract really is up at the end of the year then I can fully understand him being extended at this point in time.

Be nice.
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My my.. Aren't you a bundle of joy here?
hey, you're the one who took offense where none was intended. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive.

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It's a message board? Isn't this where I come to get information from fellow fans? Seriously... work on your demeanor. Just because you're fifty something years old doesn't give you the right to mockingly dismiss who I'm a fan of. I'm a big fan of Rick Smith and you're not going to mock that, old man.
That's what was so confusing about your initial post.

My point in asking you to think about what you were saying is this: waiting to resign a GM that, we both agree, has done a much better job than his predecessor - with much less to work with - is contradictory to being a "big fan".
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That's totally your call.

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I'm under the impression that he's in year two of his contract. At best, he's got one full year to go. Not seven months as Lucky implied. For me to even ask to see at least how our picks are panning out over camp and stuff isn't asking much on waiting before signing Smith to a blockbuster contract which is what I probably want to happen because I'm a huge fan of him. I just want to get a better sampling is all.
The draft isn't the whole picture. The fact that he managed to find some real F/A nuggets when our secondary was depleted and found Andre Davis, who ended up saving our bacon when A.J. went down. Also, Demps, Cochran, Maddox, Leach, were all hits from no where.

Those finds represent a sufficiently large data set for me to reward him with an extension.

Having said that, he hasn't been perfect. The Jordan Black signing, some would say the Ahman Green signing, were misses. We have yet to see how Jacque Reeves and Chaun Thompson will pan out.

Regarding how draft picks will turn out... Pundits say that as a general rule that it takes 2-3 years for a draft to bear real fruit. If you get your picks to significantly contribute, sooner than that, you had a helluva draft or your team sucked and all the old guard needed to go (see us after 2005 or KC this year). Yes, I know you said that, and I agree. The point here is, by the time you see what fruit his two drafts brought, Smith's contract will be up and he could be elsewhere.

So, on balance, the man has done good work. Give him an extension. There's no need to wait.

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I'm under the impression that he's in year two of his contract. At best, he's got one full year to go. Not seven months as Lucky implied. For me to even ask to see at least how our picks are panning out over camp and stuff isn't asking much on waiting before signing Smith to a blockbuster contract which is what I probably want to happen because I'm a huge fan of him. I just want to get a better sampling is all.

If his contract really is up at the end of the year then I can fully understand him being extended at this point in time.
I think regardless of whether the contract ends this calender year or after the 09 draft (which I think is what Lucky was actually implying), it's still too early to see how the picks are actually going to pan out, Mario being the obvious example.

One draft also can't discount the team's upward swing and the work he's done in FA/trades. Can you deny the improvement in the talent level between 06 and now?
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5792609.html

Okay... Don't we want to give him a little more time before reupping his contract? I'm not sure but I'd at least like to see how this draft has panned out. Technically, Smith has only been able to see how one draft of his panned out which was last year's. We don't even know how this years has panned out and we surprised some people with some of our picks so why can't we wait to see how those pan out before reupping his contract?

Seems silly to me. Let's give him two drafts and we'll go from there. Why re-up so early? I'm not campaigning against Smith. I am a huge fan of him. Just.. want to take a wait and see approach before setting up our future for the future which as already been altered.
Eh, it's just money.

Unlike player contracts that have cap consequences, if McNair some day decides he doesn't like Smith any more, he can fire him.

His money, he can do what he wants with it.

I do think it is a good signal to show to the world that he is an owner who values stability and likes to reward people with the organization.
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Why re-up so early?
The story says he's the youngest GM in the league and is also an African-American, which makes him a very hot commodity in the NFL. And McNair obviously likes him personally and feels comfortable with him by now,
so why not lock him up for a longer term before the competition grabs him ?
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Pay the man, get it done.

I think stability goes along way in an organisation, the first two years of his contract shows the man has skills, lets lock those up.

Being young means he has great upside so lets lock him in on a nice solid contract.
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The story says he's the youngest GM in the league and is also an African-American, which makes him a very hot commodity in the NFL. And McNair obviously likes him personally and feels comfortable with him by now,
so why not lock him up for a longer term before the competition grabs him ?
Agree with this all the way.
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so why not lock him up for a longer term before the competition grabs him ?
I don't care what his skin color is but I'm curious as to why his skin color would make him a hot commodity?
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I don't care what his skin color is but I'm curious as to why his skin color would make him a hot commodity?
Because its a day and age where people arent happy anymore just ignoring the fact that out of 32 coaches, there are 4 african american. The number of GMs are even worse. That makes a young, sharp, African American GM with as much snap as Smith a big deal. I hate that the world is that way, but thats how it goes.

I agree with Texans CHick, it doesnt cost us anything against the cap, might as well lock him up. He has been great at ironing contracts out.
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