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Old 05-08-2008   #1
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Default "Are we REALLY playoff material yet?!"

First of all, I don't think we should view this year's draft class as making or breaking a 2008 run to the Playoffs seriously. If things fit together as the brass expects, this class will impact that run and a few of them will be instrumental to it. Of course, this is all just my opinion and I could certainly be wrong. We'll all see how it plays out on Sundays this Fall. The Texans did go 8-8 in '07, while sustaining countless injuries at key spots and being horrible in turnover ratio.

On the other hand they were a few mistakes and bad bounces away from being 10-6. IF they get overall improvement from the players they had last season, along with some better luck, they're right there. More realistically, I think if we're fortunate, this class could be viewed as another one that helped secure the Texans a place at the Playoff table for the following season and beyond.
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Default Re: "Are we REALLY playoff material yet?!"

Given the division we are in we have a little ways to go. Having said that, I've seen teams make the playoffs that I would have never thought (in the beginning of the season) would do that. You never know.

I'm thinking we are possible playoff material if Schaub is the real deal and Gibbs does his thing. And we don't have a lot of injuries.
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With parity like it is, a team needs a little luck with injuries and get a few breaks on the field and it's possible to go from worst to first. Playing in the AFC South makes that quite a bit harder, but I think the Law of Averages will start working in our favor.


EDIT: OOPS. I was at work, typing in a hurry and talking Giants with a guy.
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With parity like it is, a team needs a little luck with injuries and get a few breaks on the field and it's possible to go from worst to first. Playing in the AFC South makes that quite a bit harder, but I think the Law of Averages will start working in our favor.
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Because the NFC South has gone from worst to first a couple of times.
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If the 2007 Titans could make the playoffs (seriously, I still don't think they're that good and VY sucks...Jeff Fisher is doing magic tricks over there) then there is no reason why the 2008 Texans can't make the playoffs.
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Default Re: "Are we REALLY playoff material yet?!"

Good question.

I think b/c we could have just as easily be 9-7 or 10-6 i DEF believe we are.
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Quoted to reflect the original flawed text.

I didn't read the original post, but judging from this post, I'd say that yes, it's always possible to make it to the playoffs when it's May. We'll know fairly quickly whether this team is playoff material or not, as our first 5 games, I think there's 3 or 4 playoff teams and most of them are on the road.
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Default Re: "Are we REALLY playoff material yet?!"

We lost nobody of consequence this off-season and all our talent is either about to reach their prime or are still learning to play in the NFL- either way, we are definitely on a sharp upswing with players like:

Bennett
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Okoye
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Winston
Spencer
Myers
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The only players past their prime on this team are:
Salaam
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Man, the next 5 years are going to be a blast!
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First of all, I don't think we should view this year's draft class as making or breaking a 2008 run to the Playoffs seriously. If things fit together as the brass expects, this class will impact that run and a few of them will be instrumental to it. Of course, this is all just my opinion and I could certainly be wrong. We'll all see how it plays out on Sundays this Fall. The Texans did go 8-8 in '07, while sustaining countless injuries at key spots and being horrible in turnover ratio.

On the other hand they were a few mistakes and bad bounces away from being 10-6. IF they get overall improvement from the players they had last season, along with some better luck, they're right there. More realistically, I think if we're fortunate, this class could be viewed as another one that helped secure the Texans a place at the Playoff table for the following season and beyond.

No telling. Shanahan Sr. says it takes about 3 years for a QB to get adjusted to the Denver style offense--that means Sage is in year 3 and Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).

One thing to add to your 8-8 horribles is that not only did they have the injuries, and the bad turnover ratio, but they had the 30th ranked offense in the league (depending on whose stats you look at). If they can get their turnovers just average and their defense average and Andre is Andre, you never know.

There were times last year that they looked like they could crush anyone in the league. And of course, times last year where it looked like nothing could go right.

They need luck and to make their own luck.

They need to survive the first month of the season. Road games against hard teams are not the easiest way to build confidence, but then again, who inked in a decisive win against the Panthers on the road last year?
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Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).
I know you qualified about the background, but I really don't see treating or expecting Matt to perform as a 2nd year player this year. In other words, I am holding to a higher standard than that.

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In what?

Total offense--14th
Passing--11th
Rushing--22nd
Points--12th

Did you mean defense?
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I know you qualified about the background, but I really don't see treating or expecting Matt to perform as a 2nd year player this year. In other words, I am holding to a higher standard than that.



In what?

Total offense--14th
Passing--11th
Rushing--22nd
Points--12th

Did you mean defense?
Our offense was great considering we missed Dre for half the season. If our D gets even to the middle of the pack its Playoffs for sure.
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Our offense was great considering we missed Dre for half the season. If our D gets even to the middle of the pack its Playoffs for sure.
No, half of the offense (passing game) was okay. The other half (running game) was pathetic.

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No, half of the offense (passing game) was okay. The other half (running game) was pathetic.

We were in the middle third of the NFL in rushing yards and TDs. Not fantastic by any stretch, but not pathetic either.
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Our offense was great considering we missed Dre for half the season. If our D gets even to the middle of the pack its Playoffs for sure.
I think if Andre stays healthy all year, we are going places.

2008 is the year all the Texans bashers eat crow and shut up about our "bad O-line," etc.
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I know you qualified about the background, but I really don't see treating or expecting Matt to perform as a 2nd year player this year. In other words, I am holding to a higher standard than that.



In what?

Total offense--14th
Passing--11th
Rushing--22nd
Points--12th

Did you mean defense?
Thanks for reading my mind on the 30th in DEFENSE stat. (Though it is nice to revisit the offensive stats).

When Shanahan Sr. talked about this, he wasn't talk about years in the league. He was talking about it takes 3 years for an experienced quarterback to get nuances of his system. It's a quote I found a while back when Shanahan talked about Jake Plummer coming to Denver.
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When Shanahan Sr. talked about this, he wasn't talk about years in the league. He was talking about it takes 3 years for an experienced quarterback to get nuances of his system. It's a quote I found a while back when Shanahan talked about Jake Plummer coming to Denver.
I understand it isn't years in the league, but in this particular instance Schaub was already in this system for his prior years in the league and while there is no substitute for starting, having practiced and being coached on the system for three years has to be a leg up over starting cold.
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I understand it isn't years in the league, but in this particular instance Schaub was already in this system for his prior years in the league and while there is no substitute for starting, having practiced and being coached on the system for three years has to be a leg up over starting cold.
I see where you are coming from.

I was just trying to make the point that the longer the quarterbacks are in the system, the easier it will be on them. The less you have to think, the more athletic you can be.

Which should just be a no-duh sort of statement, but I brought up the Shanahan Sr. thing because he was so emphatic that the Denver-style system really takes 3 years for a quarterback to master its nuances.

In sum, more time with system = better.

But as to the subject of this thread, no team knows from year to year if they are playoff able. Hence offseason hope.
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No telling. Shanahan Sr. says it takes about 3 years for a QB to get adjusted to the Denver style offense--that means Sage is in year 3 and Matt is in year 2 (with a WCO background).

One thing to add to your 8-8 horribles is that not only did they have the injuries, and the bad turnover ratio, but they had the 30th ranked offense in the league (depending on whose stats you look at). If they can get their turnovers just average and their defense average and Andre is Andre, you never know.
Well, Schaub was in Atlanta for three years during the period of time that Gibbs was there and installed his system. So, Schaub is very familiar with the offense. I think the only question concerning Schaub is his ability to stay healthy. If he can, I think he's immediately in that second tier of QBs after Palmer, Brady, and Manning.
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I think if we can manage a winning record after the first five games then we definately have a shot.
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I think if we can manage a winning record after the first five games then we definately have a shot.
If we're 3-2 after those first five games we'll have shown enough that playoff talk is reasonable.
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