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Old 04-29-2008   #1
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You canít judge an NFL draft for several years, which means labeling David Carr and Joey Harrington ó the first two quarterbacks taken in 2002 ó as busts is perfectly reasonable.

But the so-called experts handing out grades and criticizing teams before their draft picks can even get their hats fitted is a little unfair. Remember the Mario Williams/Reggie Bush debate?

Even ESPNís Mel Kiper Jr. seems hesitant to assign winners and losers in this yearís draft. He gave 30 of the 32 teams overall grades from B-plus to C. The Chiefs got an ďAĒ ó rare for Kiper ó and the Jaguars received (gasp!) a C-minus. Thatís the worst grade youíll ever see from him.

If Kiper had been my professor in college, Mom and Dad would be far less ashamed of me.

You can, however, decipher a teamís philosophy by the positions of the players they draft. And thatís my problem with the Tennessee Titansí draft over the weekend: It just seems like theyíre abandoning quarterback Vince Young instead of working to help him.

Letís look at three teams with young quarterbacks who are teetering between holding trophies and holding clipboards: Denver and Jay Cutler, Washington and Jason Campbell, and Tennessee and Young.

The first three picks for the Broncos were left tackle Ryan Clady, receiver Eddie Royal and center Kory Lichtensteiger. Will Cutler be taking the snap from Lichtensteiger, rolling left behind a block from Clady and throwing to Royal five years from now? No one knows. But you can see how the Broncos are committed to helping Cutler.

The Redskins are a playoff team who recognize where they need help to get past the wild-card round. Their first four picks were receiver Devin Thomas, tight end Fred Davis, receiver Malcolm Kelly and offensive guard Chad Rinehart. The Redskins will be receiving a Hallmark card from Campbellís address this week.

You have to wonder what Young was thinking as he pored over the draft results
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Default Re: Nashville: Seemingly, Titans didnít help Young

Obvioulsy Kiper fails to realize that 1) Young is so good that he doesn't need no stinkin' talent around him, 2) he's a natural leader that elevates the talent around him, 3) the other 10 players on the field are only there because it's part of NFL rules and regulations.

I was a bit shocked at some of the comments about Young during the draft. They were tip-toeing around the issue, but they did not paint him in a positive light with regards to his QB skills.
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Default Re: Nashville: Seemingly, Titans didnít help Young

I suspect that VY is not a happy camper. Of course there is the thing of "Why draft a WR if he can't hit one". Looks to me like the offense is going to be very controlled. Lots of running, screens, short dumps and dang little down field. Mmmm, that has some sort of familiar ring to it. I'm sure that worked out well for who ever used it.
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Default Re: Nashville: Seemingly, Titans didnít help Young

The Titans are giving up on Young, in a sense. They are starting to finally realize that Vince Young is closer to Edward Scissorhands than he is to any NFL great in regards to passing. They are likely going to lessen his role in the offense next year, (as edo said) more runs and dump offs. Seeing as how Young is about as good as Carr was, we may see a vast improvement in his completion percentage should the Titans go this route. That said, I'll go out on a limb and say that after this next season Young will be benched and possibly traded/cut.
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I suspect that VY is not a happy camper. Of course there is the thing of "Why draft a WR if he can't hit one". Looks to me like the offense is going to be very controlled. Lots of running, screens, short dumps and dang little down field. Mmmm, that has some sort of familiar ring to it. I'm sure that worked out well for who ever used it.
this offense took Fisher and Steve McNair to the Superbowl with the same OC and the same Head coach showcasing lots of passes to the TE (Wycheck) and a bunch of nobody wr's (Mason was not a high pick). If you look at a little history you can see the blueprint of Fishers first super bowl run taking shape. Instead of McNair to Wycheck you will see lots of Young to Crumpler this season along with lots of running and some excellent defense.
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Default Re: Nashville: Seemingly, Titans didnít help Young

After watching more stuff about their first round pick, Chris Johnson, I'm both looking forward to seeing the dude play and a bit apprehensive about the dimension he could add to their offense and special teams. The kid is fast, and he's got moves. Johnson and Young are going to be a dual-threat with their running abilities.
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After watching more stuff about their first round pick, Chris Johnson, I'm both looking forward to seeing the dude play and a bit apprehensive about the dimension he could add to their offense and special teams. The kid is fast, and he's got moves. Johnson and Young are going to be a dual-threat with their running abilities.
Of the two who do you think is the better passer?
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this offense took Fisher and Steve McNair to the Superbowl with the same OC and the same Head coach showcasing lots of passes to the TE (Wycheck) and a bunch of nobody wr's (Mason was not a high pick). If you look at a little history you can see the blueprint of Fishers first super bowl run taking shape. Instead of McNair to Wycheck you will see lots of Young to Crumpler this season along with lots of running and some excellent defense.
I remember that. I was just quiping that OUR version of it didn't fare very well. Actually, with Johnson, White & Young (sounds like a law firm) out of the backfield it will make for a difficult to defend ground game. I expect that there will be a lot of 8 in the box against them.
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this offense took Fisher and Steve McNair to the Superbowl with the same OC and the same Head coach showcasing lots of passes to the TE (Wycheck) and a bunch of nobody wr's (Mason was not a high pick). If you look at a little history you can see the blueprint of Fishers first super bowl run taking shape. Instead of McNair to Wycheck you will see lots of Young to Crumpler this season along with lots of running and some excellent defense.
Except when they made that Super Bowl run, they actually had a good QB.
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Except when they made that Super Bowl run, they actually had a capable QB.
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