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Old 12-06-2004   #1
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Default D-Rob in PRO BOWL as a ROOKIE

I was just submitting my pro bowl ballot on NFL.com, and i got to the cornerback category. i just want yall to look at each stat and tell me that D-Rob should not be in the probowl.

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NFC Cornerback

Player Team INT TAK PassesDefensed
AFC
D. Abraham NYJ 1 40 8
C. Bailey DEN 3 66 8
D. Barrett NYJ 2 60 10
G. Baxter BAL 0 65 10
P. Buchanon OAK 3 53 7
N. Clements BUF 3 61 9
J. David IND 3 33 7
S. Davis SD 1 37 10
A. Dyson TEN 5 33 12
A. Glenn HOU 4 51 8
N. Harper IND 3 63 7
A. Henry CLE 4 57 11
K. Herndon DEN 1 56 15
T. James CIN 7 47 10
Q. Jammer SD 0 38 7
T. Law NE 1 28 3
S. Madison MIA 0 33 5
R. Mathis JAC 2 46 13
C. McAlister BAL 1 35 7
D. McCleon KC 0 26 4
D. McCutcheon CLE 2 50 9
D. O'Neal CIN 3 35 12
T. Poole NE 1 12 3
D. Robinson HOU 5 65 17
S. Rolle TEN 1 28 7
C. Scott PIT 1 24 6
P. Surtain MIA 3 45 9
D. Townsend PIT 4 48 11
T. Vincent BUF 0 12 1
E. Warfield KC 4 42 9
D. Washington JAC 1 62 7
C. Woodson OAK 1 71 9
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W. Allen NYG 1 59 14
A. Ambrose NO 3 25 9
J. Azumah CHI 4 30 6
R. Barber TB 2 67 9
D. Bly DET 4 28 11
S. Brown PHI 1 72 13
F. Bryant DET 0 51 9
J. Butler STL 4 61 14
A. Carroll GB 1 40 6
T. Fisher STL 1 16 2
L. Frazier DAL 1 15 4
C. Gamble CAR 3 57 9
A. Harris GB 1 51 16
B. Kelly TB 4 43 15
K. Lucas SEA 5 49 13
D. Macklin ARI 3 59 12
R. Manning CAR 2 46 4
K. Mathis ATL 2 56 7
T. Newman DAL 2 49 9
W. Peterson NYG 2 45 8
A. Plummer SF 0 22 7
L. Sheppard PHI 4 45 12
F. Smoot WAS 3 52 11
S. Spencer SF 0 45 4
S. Springs WAS 3 49 8
D. Starks ARI 2 38 8
F. Thomas NO 0 42 3
C. Tillman CHI 0 23 0
M. Trufant SEA 3 64 11
J. Webster ATL 1 39 10
B. Williams MIN 0 51 5
A. Winfield MIN 3 81 8

Now make a case that there is a corner in the the NFL that has earned his place in the probowl more than Dunta Robinson.
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T. James from Cincinatti with 7 interceptions. That's the only possibility I see for beating out Robinson.
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Yes but there are 3 cbs going. so shouldnt Dunta still get a spot?
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IMO, he should definitely be there.
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just because he should go, does not mean that he will. This happens every year, and it will be especially hard for a rookie to make it in. People vote very biased for the probow, including for their home teams, for veterans with marque names, and for people that are showman. Dunta is having a great season, but i doubt he will be in hawaii
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GW is right.. Dante IS deserving and I hope he does go,but outside of Houston .. We don't get much press coverage so it will be tough.
But it would be great if he could go!
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If I'm not mistaken the Pro Bowl voting is a mix of fans, coaches, and players voting. I'm not sure of what percentage each gets, but D. Rob could get into the Pro Bowl this year if he's impressed opposing coaches and players enough. I agree that he won't get many votes outside of Houston, but I'm sure all the coaches that decided to challenge Dunta instead of Glenn have a lasting memory of him picking off their QB. It is very tough for a rookie to make it to the Pro Bowl, but Bolden made it last year for the lowly Cardinals. We could potentially have three players make the Pro Bowl from the Texans: Sharper, AJ, and Robinson. Sharper and DRob have the toughest road to get in to the Pro Bowl though. You can pencil in Ray Lewis as the starting MLB already. Hopefully they all make it to Hawaii.
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If I'm not mistaken the Pro Bowl voting is a mix of fans, coaches, and players voting. I'm not sure of what percentage each gets, but D. Rob could get into the Pro Bowl this year if he's impressed opposing coaches and players enough. I agree that he won't get many votes outside of Houston, but I'm sure all the coaches that decided to challenge Dunta instead of Glenn have a lasting memory of him picking off their QB. It is very tough for a rookie to make it to the Pro Bowl, but Bolden made it last year for the lowly Cardinals. We could potentially have three players make the Pro Bowl from the Texans: Sharper, AJ, and Robinson. Sharper and DRob have the toughest road to get in to the Pro Bowl though. You can pencil in Ray Lewis as the starting MLB already. Hopefully they all make it to Hawaii.
I believe each has an equal 1/3 of the vote. Bolden made it because he had ridiculous numbers and some amazing catches that were all over ESPN. Dunta wont have that advantage, his interceptions have not been the most spectacular plays so people wont notice as much. He may get some of the coaches and players noticing, but it is a tough road for him to Hawaii. I would say that in a year or two, he will be feared and recognized by all. I think aside from his INTs, what i think people will see is that he goes for hits like a safety. He can lay the wood.
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Dunta wont have that advantage, his interceptions have not been the most spectacular plays so people wont notice as much. He may get some of the coaches and players noticing, but it is a tough road for him to Hawaii. I would say that in a year or two, he will be feared and recognized by all.
I agree. When the Texans start winning, Dunta will be in the Pro Bowl. Until then, Bailey, Law, & McAlister are your AFC Pro Bowl corners.
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I hope Robinson goes to the pro bowl that would rock!!!!

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I was just submitting my pro bowl ballot on NFL.com, and i got to the cornerback category. i just want yall to look at each stat and tell me that D-Rob should not be in the probowl.

Choose up to 3
AFC Cornerback Choose up to 3
NFC Cornerback

Player Team INT TAK PassesDefensed
AFC
D. Abraham NYJ 1 40 8
C. Bailey DEN 3 66 8
D. Barrett NYJ 2 60 10
G. Baxter BAL 0 65 10
P. Buchanon OAK 3 53 7
N. Clements BUF 3 61 9
J. David IND 3 33 7
S. Davis SD 1 37 10
A. Dyson TEN 5 33 12
A. Glenn HOU 4 51 8
N. Harper IND 3 63 7
A. Henry CLE 4 57 11
K. Herndon DEN 1 56 15
T. James CIN 7 47 10
Q. Jammer SD 0 38 7
T. Law NE 1 28 3
S. Madison MIA 0 33 5
R. Mathis JAC 2 46 13
C. McAlister BAL 1 35 7
D. McCleon KC 0 26 4
D. McCutcheon CLE 2 50 9
D. O'Neal CIN 3 35 12
T. Poole NE 1 12 3
D. Robinson HOU 5 65 17
S. Rolle TEN 1 28 7
C. Scott PIT 1 24 6
P. Surtain MIA 3 45 9
D. Townsend PIT 4 48 11
T. Vincent BUF 0 12 1
E. Warfield KC 4 42 9
D. Washington JAC 1 62 7
C. Woodson OAK 1 71 9
NFC[/b]
W. Allen NYG 1 59 14
A. Ambrose NO 3 25 9
J. Azumah CHI 4 30 6
R. Barber TB 2 67 9
D. Bly DET 4 28 11
S. Brown PHI 1 72 13
F. Bryant DET 0 51 9
J. Butler STL 4 61 14
A. Carroll GB 1 40 6
T. Fisher STL 1 16 2
L. Frazier DAL 1 15 4
C. Gamble CAR 3 57 9
A. Harris GB 1 51 16
B. Kelly TB 4 43 15
K. Lucas SEA 5 49 13
D. Macklin ARI 3 59 12
R. Manning CAR 2 46 4
K. Mathis ATL 2 56 7
T. Newman DAL 2 49 9
W. Peterson NYG 2 45 8
A. Plummer SF 0 22 7
L. Sheppard PHI 4 45 12
F. Smoot WAS 3 52 11
S. Spencer SF 0 45 4
S. Springs WAS 3 49 8
D. Starks ARI 2 38 8
F. Thomas NO 0 42 3
C. Tillman CHI 0 23 0
M. Trufant SEA 3 64 11
J. Webster ATL 1 39 10
B. Williams MIN 0 51 5
A. Winfield MIN 3 81 8

Now make a case that there is a corner in the the NFL that has earned his place in the probowl more than Dunta Robinson.

You forgot to add SACKS and FORCED FUMBLES!!! Way to go Dunta!

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The problem with corners like offensive linemen, it is very hard to gauge stats. For instance:
1. How many times has a player got beat for a TD....
2. How many times has he had passing interference penalties...
3. How many yards do his receivers average per game against him.
4. Do offenses fear him and change their offense to keep him away from the ball, or are their too many opportunities to make plays?
5. Is he dominant in pass coverage, and QBs are afraid to throw their way?

CBs are judged more on this, then INTs or pass breakups.

For this year alone, If you had a choice of 3 CBs to be on your team... Would Dunta Robinson be on it?
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if I had the choice of 3 CBs.. yah Dunta would be on it. He is different from other CBs in that he is a VERY capable CB that doubles as a strong saftey in his blitzing and tackling abilities.

He may be the only CB in the league that has the potential to get in your head like an SS or FS would.

This makes him not only talented.. but versatile. A useful tool.

And I havent seen him get REALLY beat since week 5.
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I voted for DR and think he is superb. One thing kind of bothered me though, or just kinda rubbed me the wrong way and I really just want to say this...hoping I'm wrong. In his interview tonight with Bob Allen on "Inside the Game", he told Bob Allen that he thought he definately deserved to be voted for the Pro-B. I think we all agree.
But, his demeanor seemed on the edge of being arrogant, and Bob Allen (whom I don't always agree with) at one point asked him to "in the future, don't refer to yourself in the 3rd person). I'm a huge fan of DR, but watching him in this interview....he reminded me of self-back-patting players on other teams.
Also, I read game caps on several sites and David C. was quoted saying that "several of the guys on the team said it was too cold and just wanted to go home, but they stuck it out FOR ME"!
Guys....whether it be David Carr, Dunta, etc. Get it right.
I have many years of experience in the corporate world and have always had a problem when a person in leadership refers to anything that refers to "my, mine or doing it for me".
Learn to use "ours, we, and us" instead of "me, I, mine, and myself". I think it is arrogant for people in leadership positions, or otherwise to not know the difference in how to speak, when speaking for or about a "TEAM".
Team...when speaking out...speak as a TEAM MEMBER, not an individual. It comes across wrong. THERE IS NO "I, OR ME" IN TEAM".
It is a Team, whether you win or lose! I seem to hear alot more of "we and us" when the team doesn't do well, but when the really do great.....well..It's all about ME.

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I voted for DR and think he is superb. One thing kind of bothered me though, or just kinda rubbed me the wrong way and I really just want to say this...hoping I'm wrong. In his interview tonight with Bob Allen on "Inside the Game", he told Bob Allen that he thought he definately deserved to be voted for the Pro-B. I think we all agree.
i'm glad he said something like that. if you want to be a shut down corner in this league you have to have a little swagger. that is something that we don't have, hopefully he will keep that attitude, but not get to extreme. you have to have that confidence that the other team can't even look to your side, that is what a true shut down corner does. i do have a problem with what carr said, hopefully the guys that said that were the offensive linemen so we can have a reason to get rid of them.

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He may be the only CB in the league that has the potential to get in your head like an SS or FS would.
that might be a bit premature, he has the ability to get to that level, but i wouldn't put him their yet.
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I agree he isnt there yet. Maybe I should have been more precise but thats what I meant by the Potential to do that. His motor and tackling ability makes him more threatening than your average CB. Once he gets more comfortable out there, if he can start laying down some big hits.... well.. that would just be sweet hehe.
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Yeah, I'm not a big dunta fan, but this kid is looking very, very good.

did you hear tom jackson give him some props on nfl primetime? he said "theres got to be some pro bowl consideration here"

he plays with a lot of heart, and is a big hitter. You gotta watch out tho, Jason David (referred to by colts fans as "scrappy") is coming for that rookie INT crown
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AFC pro-bowl roster Maybe he will get picked as an alternate.

Tory Jmaes has One more int, but Drob has 53 solo tackles to James' 39 and Drob has 3 sacks where James has 0. I have not watched Tory James this year, but I have a hard time thinking he did better than Drob this year.
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James is a nine year vet with a good rep. Dunta is a rookie. Right or wrong, that makes a difference. Give Aaron Glenn Dunta's numbers and he probably goes. Jeremiah Trotter is another guy whose performance in prior years influenced his selection this year IMO. I don't think Dunta got robbed necessarily but he'll be there next year if he keeps it up. The good thing is that this will (should) give him the incentive to keep working hard.
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I just sent my second email to Mike & Mike in the morning. They are talking about the pro bowl and who got snubbed, and said to email them with who you think got snubbed and who he should replace on the team.

Dunta is getting ignored and that aint right.. the kid can flat out play and has been one of, if not THE best CB in the AFC.
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