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Old 12-05-2004   #1
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Default Was it Carr or the receivers that played bad?

I noticed that a lot of you are punkin Carr for his play today.

Well, in the game that I watched, I couldn't tell if was Carr or the receivers that deserved more of the "blame", if that is something that you want to lay on somebody.

I agree Carr didn't have one of his better games, but before you want to throw Carr into the trash, and start searching for QBs in the draft, () go back and see how many times Carr stood in the pocket waiting for Gaffney, Armstrong, Miller, and Bradford to get open, or at least run their correct routes while AJ is being doubled up.
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The receivers were smothered by the Jets coverage. Everywhere they went, a Jet was waiting, lurking. So I'll ask yet a 3rd question; why do the opposing defenses always know what routes the Texan receivers are running?
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The receivers were smothered by the Jets coverage. Everywhere they went, a Jet was waiting, lurking. So I'll ask yet a 3rd question; why do the opposing defenses always know what routes the Texan receivers are running?
That's a fair question.

Something else needs mentioning. A common complaint by some of you is that Carr dumps it off to DD too much, and doesn't throw it enough to the receivers. Trying to force it into coverage will more than likely get you accused of "not playing well".

Just how "good" are our receivers? I wonder.
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Anyways this was not even Palmer, Carr or Caper's fault. The momentum just switched to fast for a young team to handle.
I agree with that. It's going ot be this way for the pains and struggles of a young team.
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Carr doesnt play defense.....neither does our defense LOL.The Jets havent played anyone worth a d#@%,(soft sched).they will fall in the first round....our Defense needs ALOT of work in the off-season. Hope they can fix it!!!
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Carr doesnt play defense.....neither does our defense LOL.The Jets havent played anyone worth a d#@%,(soft sched).they will fall in the first round....our Defense needs ALOT of work in the off-season. Hope they can fix it!!!

haha well ya ever consider the Defense might have been getting a LITTLE tired ??? MAYBE if the offense could get a few first downs then the D would be rested and able to make the kind of plays they did in the first half. Some of you guys crack me up
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haha well ya ever consider the Defense might have been getting a LITTLE tired ??? MAYBE if the offense could get a few first downs then the D would be rested and able to make the kind of plays they did in the first half. Some of you guys crack me up
I totally agree about the first downs,But our defense needs alot of work in the off-season...look at how many points we have given up???Thats nothing to crack up about.
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Just how "good" are our receivers? I wonder.
IMO we have a great wr core, I think our problem is at TE, Im a Billy fan, but cmon, 1 td this season?!? let Armstrong play TE or something! what has Bruener done? yes they pass off to Dom alot because Carr has no TE for a saftey net whatsoever
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i find it unseemly how carr's most strident defenders are so willing to blame DD and even AJ for carr's failures. i think DD is at least average as an NFL starting RB...
Davis is 21st in rushing yards, 31st in yards/carry among starting NFL backs. 21st & 31st are not average numbers.

Carr is 15th in passing rating, 9th in passing yards, 8th in yards/pass attempt. Those are at least average numbers.
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Davis is 21st in rushing yards, 31st in yards/carry among starting NFL backs. 21st & 31st are not average numbers.
DD is ranked 18th in rushing yards and that is with Michael Vick ranked ahead of him. 17th just counting running backs. He also ranks in the top ten in yards per reception for a RB, 2nd in receptions for a RB, 14th in total touchdowns and 6th in rushing touchdowns.
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Davis is 21st in rushing yards, ...
To be fair on this one stat, DD missed one game entirely and played only part time in three other games in a four game stretch. Not surprising that he doesn't have the total yards.

As for the ypc, that has definitely been half and half--
DD and the OL. Through the mid part of the season DD was freaked by the fumble problem and hamstringed with injuries and did not run as he normally does, plus the OL sucked. The last couple of games, DD has looked close to last year's form but the OL has still sucked.
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The receivers were smothered by the Jets coverage. Everywhere they went, a Jet was waiting, lurking. So I'll ask yet a 3rd question; why do the opposing defenses always know what routes the Texan receivers are running?
How can you tell that if you weren't there? Didn't I just watch the same game? They didn't exactly show us the secondary. Andre Ware was stating that Carr missed open WR's. Was he just joking?
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The whole offense just wasn't working. The Jets are a good team and just beat us today offensively and defensively. However, our guys didn't exactly play well today. Except for Dunta and AJ.
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Just curious. Why can't you put mods/admin on ignore?
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Just curious. Why can't you put mods/admin on ignore?
Must be a default setting. I'll hook you up later when I adjust the settings.
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How can you tell that if you weren't there? Didn't I just watch the same game? They didn't exactly show us the secondary. Andre Ware was stating that Carr missed open WR's. Was he just joking?
Did Ware say that Carr missed an open receiver on every play? How many times exactly? I don't think that Texan receivers would be running free on every play and Carr would pick out the only guy who was covered. If so, we've got a conspiracy theory here.

It's not just this game. The big passing plays in the Titan game were from Carr buying time on the rollout and the receivers breaking off their routes. Not from the original routes. The Pack were all over the routes. Ditto the Broncos. Don't know about the Colts, because it was a fire drill in the backfield. Don't you even think it's a remote possibility that the Texans are either tipping their plays or the play design against the Cover 2 isn't working?
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All I know is that guys like Billy Volek will toss 3 TD's on the Colts porus secondary but when we play them it's like Chinese arithmetic. Last year when I went to games Carr wasn't seeing open WR's and locked on to his first read way too much and I was really not impressed with his vision but I haven't been able to get to live games much this year. I just assume that it is more of the same.
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exactly. Seems that Carr locks in on a player of the game.. It runs in cycles... DD gets the bulk ..then AJ ... we just don't spread it out enough to open stuff up.
Even when we win we seem to make it easy on the defense because we cut the field in half for them (AJ's side and DD side)

Bradford/Gaffney has disappeared in this offense it seems.. I haven't looked at stats,so I might be proved wrong
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carr did not play well today but that is not usually the case. i dont think he (or any of the offense) has played well against that type of defense yet.

davis looked pretty good in the open field, would like to see that more often. i think he can still be our featured back.
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