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Old 11-22-2004   #1
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That is what he was drafted as, and that is exactly what he is. Now the front office needs to get us a workhorse back to carry the load whether it be through the draft or free agency. What are our options? Ronnie Brown is at the top of my list. Suggestions?
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I want Ronnie Brown and will make it well known until draft day!!!
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That is what he was drafted as, and that is exactly what he is. Now the front office needs to get us a workhorse back to carry the load whether it be through the draft or free agency. What are our options? Ronnie Brown is at the top of my list. Suggestions?
Ronnie Brown, behind this line.....now that is laughable.....you guys keep calling for new players...when all you have to do is look at the Line....watch the tape!!!!

There is no LINE NO LINE NO LINE NO LINE!!!! Geez...

How do you expect anyone to run, when all there are, are Yellow Jersey with big CHEESE HEADS on them waiting for you? Please answer me that....

It aint' the running back my friends, its the line,
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It is the back, and it is the line. The line will be better via playing together more but Dom will still be Dom. When he goes off and 'explodes', its for 8 yards. He just doesn't have great break-away speed and is not strong enough to run over people. If we did have a great back he would make our line look alot better than it looks to most of you. There were several plays when Dom had one guy to beat and couldn't beat him to bust off a long run. Several.
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I'm no expert on running backs or offensive line play - but I feel like 2/3rds of our running plays end up with Domanick Davis running directly into the back of one of his linemen, and I KNOW that isn't an effective way to run the ball especially when your offensive line isn't getting much (any?) push. I thought the whole point of the zone blocking scheme was that it kind of spread the line out and created all these cutting lanes. I've also sorta felt like Davis has been 'running scared' since his fumbling spree in the early games, running like he just wants to get down on the ground and not fumble.
My point is....is Davis not being patient enough for the holes to open up? or is the line not executing the blocking scheme very well and so they all end up bunched up and the lanes would never develop even if Davis waited forever? My gut is telling me Davis isn't being patient enough because I feel like he always is just running into the backs of linemen but my head is saying that the o-line's pass protection has been pretty weak all year so maybe they aren't executing.
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Dom is on NFL game film now and Teams know how to defend him. Teams scout and know he is not someone you have to commit an extra player to fortify the front-7 in order to stop. Last year he was a bit of an unknown. In order to run for more than 4.0 ypc in the NFL you have to be able to run away from people or run over them because you only have 9 blockers covering 11 players. If they all block their man you still have to beat the unblocked player. Dom can do a little of both (run over or run away from defenders), but if you are objective you can see that he can do a little of both, but its only a little of both.

Breaking down this year...

21 carries, 87 yards (4.1 YPC)
25 carries, 78 yards (3.1 YPC)
10 carries, 12 yards (1.2 YPC)
14 carries, 31 yards (2.2 YPC)
10 carries, 25 yards (2.5 YPC)
22 carries, 56 yards (2.5 YPC)
19 carries, 71 yards (3.7 YPC)
31 carries, 98 yards (3.2 YPC)
21 carries, 65 yards (3.3 YPC)

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173 carries, 523 yards (3.02 YPC) Long run 11 yards

*I heisted these figures and haven't double checked them but they look accurate. You would figure with 173 carries he would have made one linebacker miss or run over one, for one run of more than 11 yards. Just one, but he hasn't. Blocking is part of the dynamic, but it is only part of the equation.
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Certainly teams have figured out they only need 7 in the box to stop the run, but they've also figured out they only need a four man rush to get pressure on the QB as well.
Also - I don't feel a lot of the time I watch the replay of a run and say "What was he doing look at that lane he could have gone thru!" So could ANY running back consistently run behind the line in its current state? I know good running backs create some of their own opportunities, but I don't know that the line is giving Davis many opportunities these days...and as you said...he doesn't seem to be at the level to create his own.

But is the solution a new RB, better o-line players, a better blocking scheme to fit our players, or simply more time for the players to get used to the new scheme?
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Last year I had hoped Willis McGahee could fall into our hands in the 2nd round, wouldn't that have been nice. Davis is a good receiver out of the back field, but isn't a great back, he's just average. I've never been very impressed with him he gets big gains only when the line opens a gaping hole. I agree we definately need a work horse some one with speed, power or both. I wish Lindell White or Reggie Bush were coming out this year we could use either one. Davis will get us to .500, but we need a premeir back to get us to the playoffs and beyond. The line will continue to gel over the course of this year and into next year, but we could use some help on the left side of the line. Go Texans
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Speaking of McGahee...

The Bills were 0-4 before he was starting and have gone 5-2 since he has been starting. Early in the year everyone was moaning how bad the Bills line was. Since McGahee stepped up they are no longer blaming their line for all their problems. A great back can make your line's job much easier.
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Speaking of McGahee...

The Bills were 0-4 before he was starting and have gone 5-2 since he has been starting. Early in the year everyone was moaning how bad the Bills line was. Since McGahee stepped up they are no longer blaming their line for all their problems. A great back can make your line's job much easier.
McGahee is not that much better than Travis Henry, if any. Travis Henry was great the last two years, rushing for 1450 and 1350, and the O-line still sucked. Bledsoe is actually scrambling a little and avoiding sacks, rather than just curling up into a fetal position.
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Could he have made the same impact early in the season? There was the 13-10 loss to Oakland in which Henry was stopped near the goal line. Henry fell down on a critical third-down play Oct. 3 against New England with the Bills trying to tie the game. Drew Bledsoe fumbled on an attempted bootleg on the next play, and Richard Seymour ran it back for a touchdown in the Pats' 31-17 win.

So maybe.

The Bills had gone nine games without a rushing touchdown until McGahee scored his first career TD against Arizona. His seven TDs have come in his last five games. He has 726 yards rushing, putting him on pace for 1,056 yards. Factor his six starts over a 16-game season, and McGahee would be on pace for 1,594 yards rushing. The Bills have not had a 1,500-yard rusher since O.J. Simpson ran for 1,503 yards in 1976.
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Hypotheticals. Gotta love em.

Has McGahee run for those 1594 yards? Nope. Has Travis Henry run for 1350 and 1450 his last two seasons. Yep. McGahee still has a little proving to do before he is deemed great.
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1000 yards was the standard for a 12 game schedule
Even though 1000 yards meant a lot more during the years of the 12 game schedule, 1000 rushing yards remained a benchmark well into the era of the 14 game schedule from 1960-77 (when I started watching football). If you go back and look at the books you will find that there were very few 1,000 yard rushers in the AFL/NFL (not more than 2-3 in the NFL and fewer in the AFL) until 1972 when there were at least 9 guys who did it. But then in '73 and '74 there were only 5. Then things got cooking again in the late 70's with more and more 1000 yard rushers. When they went to 16 game schedule in '78 then 1000 yards became less impressive even though it remains some kind of legacy measure of goodness.
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