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Old 08-18-2007   #1
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I think this season is going to be a rude awakening for the Golden Boy. Opposing Defensive Coordinators now know what to expect from him and will have better plans to expose his an his team's weaknesses.
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As much as I loved this guy at UT, I would be lying if I denied that I was rooting for him to fail. Besides playing for the team I hate the most, I am sick and tired of all the VY Titan hype here in Austin. Friends of mine who were rooting for the Texans before now hate the Texans and are now rooting for the Titans. One of them just bought NFL Sunday Ticket just to see them every week. However that may not be necessary since CBS affiliate here started showing the Titans in lieu of the Texans last season. I also noticed our local Wal Mart is carrying Titans crap and they have NEVER carried Texans merchandise. VY stinking it up would put an end to most of this.
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well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

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well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/ElwaJo00.htm
Oh, I watched some of his games and I was unimpressed.
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Oh, I watched some of his games and I was unimpressed.
yeah...but all of us know you only do biased homer takes.
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People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.
Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.
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Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.
yeah but constantly going on and on about rookie stats that were better than John Elways stats gets old to those of us who follow football closely and historically.
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Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.

But according to his coach it was the field that was wet, the weather, people in his face.

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Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.
Brady didn't look to good either. Maybe he's on the downside of his career too.
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well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

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Vinny, the difference is that Elway was an accomplished passer in college who didn't really show the stuff he already had in the NFL until later.

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well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/ElwaJo00.htm

yup. all the stat losers seem to be haters, morons, and lack any real insight into what it really takes to be an effective player.

I even read some loser say that VY shouldnt have been OROY. That is just hating, plain and simple. The guy made so many damn plays and won 8 games in a span of 9. That is unheard of for a rookie and yet still people hate on him. I don't like VY because he is a Titan but the people that say he sucks or is an ESPN creation are just ignorant to the fact that VY looks like a damn good NFL QB even after just 3/4 of a season. He isn't your traditional QB but that is what makes him special. He throws an ugly ball, lacks accuracy at times, and sometimes makes bad decisions. The thing about him is that when the money is on the line and you got a 3rd down to keep a drive alive, he is about as hard to defend as any player in the history of the NFL. He also has an innate ability to inspire his teammates and make the players around him better and just win.

VY was far and away the best Offensive Rookie last year. Most of these naysaying 'mensas' are the same guys who propped up Carr as something more than an abortion of a QB. Their opinion is completely without merit or credibility. Now they act like they knew it all along but we all know the truth. The list of Texans fans that actually knew Carr sucked is a very short list....the guys who thought he was great are the same losers who hate on VY and say he sucks too.

VY may struggle this year but it won't be because it sucks, it will be because of growing pains, gameplanning defenses, average passing accuracy, and most importantly, lack of talent around him. That Titans roster is embarassing.
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yup. all the stat losers seem to be haters, morons, and lack any real insight into what it really takes to be an effective player.

I even read some loser say that VY shouldnt have been OROY. That is just hating, plain and simple. The guy made so many damn plays and won 8 games in a span of 9. That is unheard of for a rookie and yet still people hate on him. I don't like VY because he is a Titan but the people that say he sucks or is an ESPN creation are just stupid and/or retarded.

VY was far and away the best Offensive Rookie last year. Most of these naysaying 'mensas' are the same guys who propped up Carr as something more than an abortion of a QB. Their opinion is completely without merit or credibility. Now they act like they knew it all along but we all know the truth. The list of Texans fans that actually knew Carr sucked is a very short list....the guys who thought he was great are the same losers who hate on VY and say he sucks too.

VY may struggle this year but it won't be because it sucks, it will be because of growing pains, gameplanning defenses, average passing accuracy, and most importantly, lack of talent around him. That Titans roster is embarassing.
BTW pac-man contributed heavily to those wins

wow and the lack of talent is because he will struggle...


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yup. all the stat losers seem to be haters, morons, and lack any real insight into what it really takes to be an effective player.

I even read some loser say that VY shouldnt have been OROY. That is just hating, plain and simple. The guy made so many damn plays and won 8 games in a span of 9. That is unheard of for a rookie and yet still people hate on him. I don't like VY because he is a Titan but the people that say he sucks or is an ESPN creation are just stupid and/or retarded.

VY was far and away the best Offensive Rookie last year. Most of these naysaying 'mensas' are the same guys who propped up Carr as something more than an abortion of a QB. Their opinion is completely without merit or credibility. Now they act like they knew it all along but we all know the truth. The list of Texans fans that actually knew Carr sucked is a very short list....the guys who thought he was great are the same losers who hate on VY and say he sucks too.

VY may struggle this year but it won't be because it sucks, it will be because of growing pains, gameplanning defenses, average passing accuracy, and most importantly, lack of talent around him. That Titans roster is embarassing.
I'm one of those guys who supported Carr when he was here, not because of his play on the field, but because of the uniform he wore while on the field. Based on the qb play I've seen in TC and in the two preseason games, I can admit you were correct in your criticism of Carr and call for his dismissal from the team.

On the other hand, for you to call those who doubt vy's abilites as "stupid or retarded" is not a very friendly attitude to take in this forum.

You seem like a pretty football intelligent guy, and most of your insights are good to read, but name calling is b.s.

You know...we just could be right about vince and you could be wrong. Will you man up and admit to your mistakes if so?
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The guy made so many damn plays and won 8 games in a span of 9...VY looks like a damn good NFL QB even after just 3/4 of a season. He also has an innate ability to inspire his teammates and make the players around him better and just win.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...

VY didn't win those 8 games, the Titans did. I'll give him the Texans game (here) as HIS. If you're trying to sell people on games he looked REALLY bad in as HIS victories, you better go watch the tape of those games again.

He didn't look like a "Damn Good" anything last year, except a good $$$-maker. 10 highlight-reeel plays vs. many more SORRY ones doesn't make for a great QB, especially when his best plays were usually with his feet.

He's a fantastic athlete & will sell lots of jerseys, but unless he lears how to be an effective pocket-passer, his career (as a starter) is gonna be awfully short.

I didn't think he deserved the OROY then & I still don't think he deserved it NOW.
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well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

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yup. all the stat losers seem to be haters, morons, and lack any real insight into what it really takes to be an effective player.
I'm confused, are you calling Vinny a loser for using stats?

Oh and F.Y.I. Carr had better rookie stats than both VY and John Elway.

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I even read some loser say that VY shouldnt have been OROY. That is just hating, plain and simple. The guy made so many damn plays and won 8 games in a span of 9. That is unheard of for a rookie and yet still people hate on him.
There you go, calling people names again. Guess since I am a loser that doesn't matter to you. Unfortunately all you are seeing is eight out of nine but he started fourteen games and Travis Henry shredding opposing teams defenses had nothing to do with it. Or Pac-Man Jones clutch kick returns, or the defense stepping up (inspired by Pac-Man) and dominating a few of those eight games.

Nothing to do with it, nothing at all.

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I don't like VY because he is a Titan but the people that say he sucks or is an ESPN creation are just ignorant to the fact that VY looks like a damn good NFL QB even after just 3/4 of a season.
Maybe b/c he is? For the same reason that ESPN promotes Bush as a running back when he is a punt returner and a slot receiver and does not even start for his own team?

I guess cus all those losers are right?
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He isn't your traditional QB but that is what makes him special. He throws an ugly ball, lacks accuracy at times, and sometimes makes bad decisions.
Why would the Texans have drafted him then? We already had a QB with all those same qualities?

He sounds awesome, lets make him rookie of the year. Oh, never mind.

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The thing about him is that when the money is on the line and you got a 3rd down to keep a drive alive, he is about as hard to defend as any player in the history of the NFL. He also has an innate ability to inspire his teammates and make the players around him better and just win.
He inspires his team mates to sleep in there own bed.

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VY was far and away the best Offensive Rookie last year. Most of these naysaying 'mensas' are the same guys who propped up Carr as something more than an abortion of a QB. Their opinion is completely without merit or credibility. Now they act like they knew it all along but we all know the truth. The list of Texans fans that actually knew Carr sucked is a very short list....the guys who thought he was great are the same losers who hate on VY and say he sucks too.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

Marques Colston was the best Offensive rookie last year and Matt Leinart was the best rookie QB last year.

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Wow you sound like a Carr homer. Its not Carr's fault, its the lack of talent around him.

So how does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?
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I'm confused, are you calling Vinny a loser for using stats?

Oh and F.Y.I. Carr had better rookie stats than both VY and John Elway.


There you go, calling people names again. Guess since I am a loser that doesn't matter to you. Unfortunately all you are seeing is eight out of nine but he started fourteen games and Travis Henry shredding opposing teams defenses had nothing to do with it. Or Pac-Man Jones clutch kick returns, or the defense stepping up (inspired by Pac-Man) and dominating a few of those eight games.

Nothing to do with it, nothing at all.


Maybe b/c he is? For the same reason that ESPN promotes Bush as a running back when he is a punt returner and a slot receiver and does not even start for his own team?

I guess cus all those losers are right?

Why would the Texans have drafted him then? We already had a QB with all those same qualities?

He sounds awesome, lets make him rookie of the year. Oh, never mind.


He inspires his team mates to sleep in there own bed.


WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

Marques Colston was the best Offensive rookie last year and Matt Leinart was the best rookie QB last year.



Wow you sound like a Carr homer. Its not Carr's fault, its the lack of talent around him.

So how does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?
yawn....another VY hater spreads his wings. you may want to check your facts though.

We all saw what stats mean to a QB. To the casual fan, Carr seemed to be doing just fine by reading a stat line but anyone unfortunate enough to actually watch a game....well lets just say stats can be quite misleading.

Colston > Young?!?!?! are you freaking kidding me? Please renew your VY Hatership card, k? Leinart better than Young last year? Cmon now. Maybe for a fantasy geek. While you are at it please renew your Bush Hatership card as well. Bush wasn't Pro Bowl last year, much less HOF like ESPN totes him as, but he had a damn good year helping the Saints go from 2-14 to the NFC Championship Game.

'he inspires everyone to sleep in their own bed'. When you repeated that back to yourself in your mind, did you actually think that was funny or witty? Young hasn't had the greatest offseason (nor have the Titans) but to slam someone for sleeping is just laughable. He was disciplined but VY Hater must bring that up like its some sort of VY Kryptonite.

Carr lack of talent around him? What lack of talent? Same OL and I wonder why the OL looks 100% better. Maybe its because Carr was a big poosy and no one wanted to go to war with him and Carr had horrible pocket presence. The lack of talent argument doesnt hold water over a 5 year period....well at least it doesnt hold water for anyone with a brain and the ability to be objective and formulate an honest opinion not poisoned with college allegiances or plain old jealousy.

In summation, VY may have a tough year due to his own problems and some of the problems with his team. But to argue that VY didn't have a good year last year and didn't deserve OROY is just insane and outs you as a hater, Aggie and/or Horn hater.
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