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Old 10-12-2004   #1
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I certainly understand talking about the team's weaknesses and even venting frustrations with things go awry. However, remember, that the team is on a 4 year plan and it is next year that this team is being built to compete for a championship. The team is vastly improved. However, we have a lot of new and inexperienced parts still learning the game, the system, and each other:

on offense: Wade, Wand, Pitts at guard, Bruener
on defense: Babin, Robinson, Smith, Coleman at FS...

barring injury, this team will continue to improve this year. At the least, there are a lot of things to get excited about and it's been 3 hours + of good entertainment every week (except maybe the first half of Detroit)

things to be encouraged by: David Carr, Andre Johnson, Gaffney, DArmstrong, Seth Wand, OL has shown glimpses (Oakland), Babin, Robinson, AGlenn, Faggins, Glenn Earl, potential of the DL.

Most people were anticipating 7 or 8 wins this season. It looks to me like this team is going to get there, at least.
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I, for one, am glad we have so many experts. Obviously, with their knowledge the must be highly paid football consultants.

I am surprised, however, that they all hang out here. Surely with the vast number of them they can't all work for the Texans.

Maybe they are with local high schools and colleges, though my bet is they just work with their kid's pee wee team.
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I, for one, am glad we have so many experts. Obviously, with their knowledge the must be highly paid football consultants.

I am surprised, however, that they all hang out here. Surely with the vast number of them they can't all work for the Texans.

Maybe they are with local high schools and colleges, though my bet is they just work with their kid's pee wee team.
I wont let my kid play for them
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I've been "talking football" with my friends since I was in grade school. That's living and dying with my favorite team, talking about their strengths and picking apart their weakness in parts of 4 decades. A little venting or some exchanges on the worth of a player, the gameplan or a system/scheme is all a part of being a fan. This is what this board is for and I hope that people will continue to come here and discuss their thoughts on the team. Good or bad, positive or negative....just back up your take with some facts and stand behind your views.

A billion "yay team" posts makes a miserable football forum.
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I really don't know why you would come here if you didn't want to talk both positively and negatively about the Texans, unless you are a fan of another team. This is a place to get excited, vent, and state your opinions. In doing so you also open yourself to counterpoints/criticism. That is the nature of most messageboards I have visited. This isn't one big pep rally board.
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I agree...it is a fine line between constructive criticism and outright team bashing.

Personally, I do believe this season will be a "success" if we win more than we did last year (yep, 6-10 would still be an improvement).

There are some things to work on, for sure, but we can't let ourselves fall into that negative void of always griping when things don't go our way. We must remain optimistic about our team's future - hope for the best and prepare for the worst!
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I've been "talking football" with my friends since I was in grade school. That's living and dying with my favorite team, talking about their strengths and picking apart their weakness in parts of 4 decades. A little venting or some exchanges on the worth of a player, the gameplan or a system/scheme is all a part of being a fan. This is what this board is for and I hope that people will continue to come here and discuss their thoughts on the team. Good or bad, positive or negative....just back up your take with some facts and stand behind your views.

A billion "yay team" posts makes a miserable football forum.
We have to have some expectations out of the players and coaches, as Vinny said this what this board is for. This team didn't perform up to the talents they have...yes we have people here that flip flop more than fish out of the water or Bill Clinton on draft and sex issues. When we win they say we are the best team in the league and when we lose then the fire coaches posts starts to pop up. This team could have easily been 5-0 or 0-5. I think the players are confused by the play calling as much as we have been from day one. I really don't like the way the coaches when they play not to lose instead of lets blow this team out of this world kinda of mentality. It's like playing prevent defense.
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If you think people are negative here, go visit the tacks MB sometime. That MB has been total chaos the last few weeks. A lot of the fans jumped off the wagon, but after last night a few jumped back on, but it is still quieter than I have ever seen it over there.
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People get negative at times. I know I do sometimes. My biggest complaints of the year so far were in the first two weeks (predictably enough) and they centered around the mistakes being made. Over the past two years I'd become used to seeing the team start the season "ready to play". They might not have been as good as the teams they faced but they were usually more focused and better prepared I thought. This year they didn't start out like that at all and it got me down to see them coughing up the fumbles and collecting flags left and right. There were higher expectations going into this season and the Texans came out flatter than they had ever started.

Thankfully that seems to have gotten back on track a little bit. The Texans loss to the Vikings isn't a disaster or anything. A win might have provided some serious momentum going into Tennessee but the way they came back from their bad first half wasn't bad at all. They're growing up this year and the 2002/2003 teams wouldn't have been able to push that game into overtime. They weren't good enough to overcome their own mistakes. This team is a lot closer to being good enough than that. Remember last year how the Patriots made tons of mistakes playing the Texans and yet still were good enough to pull it out in the end? Well that's where we're headed.

They'll get their .500 or so record this year. I still stand by my prediction that they'll win the majority of those games in the second half of the season. The first half of the year they'll be lucky to finish with one more win but over the second half they'll make a little run at a wild card. There are too many good teams though for them to get it this season but we're going to be at least mathematically in it until somewhere around the 11th to 13th week and that's pretty good.
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I certainly understand talking about the team's weaknesses and even venting frustrations with things go awry.
Sure the players will improve, no doubt.

We will draft new players to contribute, no doubt.

We hae some very promising future probowlers, no doubt.

But can coaches learn to coach in 1 year? I dont think so atleast our staff cant

Some coaches have changed to fit there team and there talent but we have not we try to mold our talent to the coaches and it dont work like that.

Look at Baltimore thats not a defensive head coach but he became one because that was the talent he had. Capers should become a offensive deep ball passing head coach because thats the talent we have, but he wont and thats why we need a new head coach.
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Sure the players will improve, no doubt.

We will draft new players to contribute, no doubt.

We hae some very promising future probowlers, no doubt.

But can coaches learn to coach in 1 year? I dont think so atleast our staff cant

Some coaches have changed to fit there team and there talent but we have not we try to mold our talent to the coaches and it dont work like that.

Look at Baltimore thats not a defensive head coach but he became one because that was the talent he had. Capers should become a offensive deep ball passing head coach because thats the talent we have, but he wont and thats why we need a new head coach.
New coach!... come on! Ever heard of Bum Phillips. It's the same kind of knee-jerk reaction and impatience that got Bum fired and sent the Oilers spiraling down for 10 years.
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