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Old 10-08-2004   #1
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Not much ever transpires before the NFL trading deadline, but I thought at least we could discuss the matter. The Texans have trade value expendable players, cap room & moxie to make a move to bolster any percieved weakness. Strong Safety comes to mind (Jacksonville has one they won't be able to keep next year). I've seen alot of poster complaints about the center position, pass rush & tight-end production although Bruenner is providing excellent pass protection & run support.

The other option is a trade for a future high draft pick-

Green Bay needs a back-up QB & they already traded Mckenzie to NO for a 2nd rd pick next year, would they be interested in Ragone for that pick? Farve is one big hit away from time off and the back-up is already broken up probably headed for IR.
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you'd be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Ragone
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Ragone is probably our #2 QB going into next season. We won't get anything in trade for him. Why would you get rid of him at this point?
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I don't think anyone we are willing to part with, will get much useable value in return. And I would hang on to all of are picks, so if there is someone we really like, we can package some of our picks and try to move up.
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you'd be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Ragone
Ragone was the 88th overall selection in 2003, he has NFL experience so he is not a project anymore he is ready (in my opinion) to contribute as a starter. David Ragone is at least as good if not better than AJ Feeley (traded for a high second round pick).


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Ragone is probably our #2 QB going into next season. We won't get anything in trade for him. Why would you get rid of him at this point?
Same reason we drafted then traded Henson, although I'll grant you with expectations of being Carr's back-up. Don't think they realized how different their ball rotation would be (righty vs. lefty) the only reason really I don't think he fits the back-up role with the Texans because otherwise he has good skills, big, mobile & strong arm.


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I don't think anyone we are willing to part with, will get much useable value in return. And I would hang on to all of are picks, so if there is someone we really like, we can package some of our picks and try to move up.

Agreed thats why I stated from the beginning nothing ever usually happens before the trade deadline in the NFL, much different than the NBA or MLB. Could it be that football is the far more difficult team sport? Anyway I would be happy if the Texans once again were able to package picks and try to move up in the draft. However why sit on your laurels if you have cap room and not try to bring in another quality starter to the Texans? I believe there is untapped value already in the NFL just waiting to be plugged into a system like the Texans run that for one reason or another isn't working where there at. This would fall under cap management, the Texans should explore all avenues to improve the team not just the draft alone.

There are only 4 elite teams in the NFL right now the Patriots, Colts, Eagles & Seahawks, look at what they have done to attain their level of excellence they have traded with other teams, Philly for instance is a different team with TO.
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GREEN BAY, Wis. (Oct. 6, 2004) -- Brett Favre skipped practice, still feeling the effects of a concussion to go along with a softball-sized bruise on his left leg and a loose left shoulder.

And he's the healthy one.

Backup quarterback Doug Pederson has a cracked bone in his back, a broken rib and a torn muscle in his side, all the result of Keith Washington's wicked sideline hit Oct. 3 in Green Bay's loss to the Giants.

"We're getting old," said Pederson, a year older than Favre, who will turn 35 next week. "We are getting old and we're fragile and that's the thing that even Brett realizes. I mean, he's no spring chicken, either."

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AJ Feeley is not a good comparison to Ragone because Feely had productive NFL starts. This is something that Ragone has not had yet. That said, Ragone isn't going anywhere and we will not be trading picks or players. This is still a developmental year and we are still 'developing' many players as this year wears on.
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AJ Feeley is not a good comparison to Ragone because Feely had productive NFL starts. This is something that Ragone has not had yet. That said, Ragone isn't going anywhere and we will not be trading picks or players. This is still a developmental year and we are still 'developing' many players as this year wears on.
AJ Feeley was a back-up QB behind Harrington @ Oregon, was 3rd back-up at Philly when he had his chance to start due to injurys & once again is the back-up @ Miami. He has always been a back-up his history shows he will always will be a back-up. Drafted in the 5th round 155th pick overall in 2001, traded to Miami for a 2nd round pick.

Ragone was a starter from Louisville now he is ready & with more playing time the NFL complete package. Drafted in the 3rd round (88th) in my opinion will also perform better than Drew Henson that we traded for a 3rd rd pick. GB (just one example) has a good track record for trading to aquire excellent QB's & Dave Ragone is big and incredibly strong one like a Farve

That being said, its just one example that has less than a 1 % chance of coming true. The Texans know what they're doing I'm not sure if other teams even have the confidence to trade with us

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I know Feely's history. Thanks for the refresher. That doesn't change the fact that when the Dolphins traded for Feely it was based on his NFL production, not his draft status. Ragone doesn't have near the value that Feely had when the trade went down although Miami over paid for him. Right now Ragone is not worth a first day pick, so he is much more vaulable as our number 3.
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AJ Feeley is not a good comparison to Ragone because Feely had productive NFL starts ...
I completely agree and therefore I don't believe that Ragone has the current trade value. However, Feeley's production came with the Philadelphia Eagles. Ragone's only opportunity came with the Texans, minus Domanick Davis (1 game) and most of the offensive and defensive lines playing different positions, or out. We will never know how well Ragone would have done with the Eagles. In the future, Ragone may prove to be a productive NFL QB.

It is like comparing Carr's first year playing to Carson Palmer's. Carr had to play every game, on an expansion team ... no line, no running, etc. Palmer got to sit for a year and then inherited a team that was 8-8 the previous year. Different situations.
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