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Old 09-28-2004   #1
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Hey all, my question to yall is it just me or does it seem like Smith, Payne/Deloach and Walker are getting handled by our opponents o-line? I realize that 3-4 linemen arent quick, agile guys, nor are they supposed to be. To me it just seems like they are the ones getting moved around and manhandled instead of the other way around. After all, all of these guys are 300+ and hugely strong. Anyone else agree/disagree?
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i think the majority of the time (maybe 65/35) the d-line stands up/gets stood up by the opposing line. with the talent in smith, payne and walker this is kinda hard to imagine, but what i've noticed is in the begining of the game the d-line looks good. they use their hands, make moves, and push o-linemen. but as soon as halftime comes within reach, our front three seem to tire immensly, and never recover the rest of the game. i think seth might be the most noticable, the middle of the LOS has seemed stagnent for the majority of our first three games. my thoughts on this are payne's recovery from injury is complete but it took away from him getting into full season football shape by the season's start (hence the standing up by the 3rd quarter). gary and robaire don't seem to be collapsing the pocket as well as they should, but i've at least seen them show some spark. i see this being remedied at latest by mid season, and if it's any credit the d-line already i've seen foreman and espicially wong look noticably better than last season. which means that even in their less than stellar performance's, they're keeping the double teams from the second level. and i love how i keep seeing robaire's hands go up to bat down balls, i think he's even got one or two already. bottom line: d-line isn't living up to their assumed potenial and we need push from all three all game long! we look good when the o-line is fresh, but due to (what appears to be conditioning) have lost the war of attrition in all three of our games. i still have love for g-funk, payne and smith though and really believe our d will be vastly improved by season's end
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if we don't rush as often like what the 3-4 suppose to do as we did in the second half against KC, the front three are going to get killed against the Raiders. They have a massive OL and they are very quick. Maybe we got lucky that Ganon is hurt and is not going to play. I don't know if the back up is any good. But if you give any QB enough time they will kill us.
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if we don't rush as often like what the 3-4 suppose to do as we did in the second half against KC, the front three are going to get killed against the Raiders. They have a massive OL and they are very quick. Maybe we got lucky that Ganon is hurt and is not going to play. I don't know if the back up is any good. But if you give any QB enough time they will kill us.
Actually their backup Kerry Collins who led the Giants to the superbowl and is arguably better than Gannon and is a bigger threat to throw deep. So we didn't get luckier our luck got worse.
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Yeah, but Kerry Collins is a QB who the Texans have beat in the past.
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I've been wondering for some time if Gary Walker is worth the money we are paying him. After these first 3 games, I still wonder about that.
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Yeah, but Kerry Collins is a QB who the Texans have beat in the past.
Don't forget that Kerry will be behind a much better OLine with the Raiders. He'll have younger recievers, but Jerry Porter is a huge threat. They aslo have a good TE in Doug Jolley. I feel we should be able to effectively shut down their running game, but Norv Turner is known for what he's able to do for the running game.
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Actually their backup Kerry Collins who led the Giants to the superbowl and is arguably better than Gannon and is a bigger threat to throw deep. So we didn't get luckier our luck got worse.
Exactly, Gannon is more mobile but Collins has a much stronger arm and if you
saw Sunday nights game they played against TB he got time to pass and was very effective vs. a D that is certainly stronger than ours. The Texans are gonna really have to come with some pressure this weekend, or Collins could
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