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Old 09-20-2004   #1
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I know has looked pretty bad so far this season, and there's really no excuse for any team to play the way they have at times. Let's just remember a few things though...

Payne is coming back from injury
Glenn is coming back from injury
Walker is coming back from injury
Babin is a rookie
Robinson is a rookie
Coleman is at a new position
Wong is a new position
Smith is at a new postion

That's 8 of 11 guys making some kind of transition. The defense has been ugly to this point, but I think the most important thing for them will be how we finish the season and not how we start. If we finish the season strong on D, or improve near mid-season, we'll be looking real good along with a strong, improving offense. These guys on defense just need a little time to gel together.
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I am trying to have patience, but I thought we did more with less last year. And maybe it is just my expectations were too high or that I am already getting frustrated, but you make a good point
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I know my expectations were high. I thought the defense got a pretty good lift and that we'd be an easy 10-6. I agonized over waiting for the Lions game score to show up on the screen on ESPN. It's only been two games so maybe someone'll light a fire under someone's ***.

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Payne and Walker are older and coming off injuries. We should have addressed the dl somewhere in the draft. Looks like V. Wilfork is going to be a stud for New England.

As far as Capers goes I have never liked him as a head coach. I was very disappointed when he was announced as our coach. IMHO he is a defensive cordinator that shouldn't be a head coach kind of like Buddy Ryan. I still support the Texans no matter what. It is kind of like when the Oilers had Glanville or Pardee. You still love the team.
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Lets hope things get better because having 2 of the worst teams in the league imposing their will on this defense doesn't help. I can't really say anything positive about the secondary play...so I guess there is nowhere to go but up.
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In our first year in 2002 the D was impressive and drew rave reviews from many sources while the offense was inept. But 2 years can make a really big difference (sometimes a single season can). Coleman, Payne, Walker, Glenn,
Sharper are @ or > 30 now. Look at Jason Gilden, the former LB with the Steelers - one year he's a star and the next can't make anyones team. Skill levels deteriorate very rapidly for some, others might make it into their late 30s and still perform to a high level. And players don't have the same kind of resilance coming off injuries when they are 30 or > compared to 25.
Jeff Posey was the sack leader that year and was the only effective pass rusher we have had to date - but surely his absense can't make that much difference. Wong, Babin, and and/or Peek have atleast Posey's level of skill.
This week, for the first time this season, they will face a truly formidable
offense. Gonna be real interesting to see how that plays out.
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Originally Posted by RTP2110
I know has looked pretty bad so far this season, and there's really no excuse for any team to play the way they have at times. Let's just remember a few things though...

Payne is coming back from injury
Glenn is coming back from injury
Walker is coming back from injury
Babin is a rookie
Robinson is a rookie
Coleman is at a new position
Wong is a new position
Smith is at a new postion

That's 8 of 11 guys making some kind of transition. The defense has been ugly to this point, but I think the most important thing for them will be how we finish the season and not how we start. If we finish the season strong on D, or improve near mid-season, we'll be looking real good along with a strong, improving offense. These guys on defense just need a little time to gel together.
Ok, if you are the starter you should be at least 90% healthy. Those injuries are from last year. With the exception of Wong, the guys you mention were together for spring training, 4 weeks of exhibition and now 2 weeks of regular games. I am not saying perfect but at least be in the right spot to defend a TD pass Coleman. Don't hit a guy out of bounds, Babin. Don't take a head shot at a reciever Arron Glenn. That's just the defense. Ok, I just took a sedative and reaching for a bottle of Crown, I'll be ok in a minute.

Like most of you I don't mind losing even when I was on a sports field as a kid. I just want the team to act like they at least belong on a field. Now let's go to KC & make them squeal like a little girl!!
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The Chiefs have yet to make a TD through the air.....Sunday, the Texans will give them about 3 to be proud of....
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Nothing personal to RTP, but it sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Walker and Glenn are healthy, and completely recovered from last years injuries. I haven't seen the level of agressiveness I expect out of a Dom Capers 3-4. I could specualate as to the reasons why, such as trying to cover for youth and inexperience in the secondary, but regardless, it just is not there. It's clear to me that without the all out blitzes, and other agressive manuevers, this defense will simply be terrible. If you can't stop teams on third and long, you are toast. Just as with the offense, there is plenty of blame to go around, including the coaching, scheme, game plan, and players. They have to buck it up. The schedule doesn't get any easier from here.
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Nothing personal to RTP, but it sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Walker and Glenn are healthy, and completely recovered from last years injuries. I haven't seen the level of agressiveness I expect out of a Dom Capers 3-4. I could specualate as to the reasons why, such as trying to cover for youth and inexperience in the secondary, but regardless, it just is not there. It's clear to me that without the all out blitzes, and other agressive manuevers, this defense will simply be terrible. If you can't stop teams on third and long, you are toast. Just as with the offense, there is plenty of blame to go around, including the coaching, scheme, game plan, and players. They have to buck it up. The schedule doesn't get any easier from here.
Right on Porky. The way our pass rush has looked so far, if we don't start blitzing, we will never get to the QB. That could make for a long season. If we could hold onto the ball and mix up the play calling a bit, we could win some games. I want to see more blitzing. I want to see more passing on 1st down. I want to see pass plays called on 2nd and short, 3rd and short. The main problem is the turnovers. Carr is 6th in the league in passing yards, 10th in the league in passer rating. Our offense is 10th in the league in total yards. Our defense is 11th in the league in total yards allowed. Our offense is 6th in the league in 3rd down %. But our defense 2nd to last in the league in points allowed and our offense is 19th in the league in points scored. What does all of that say? Our offense moves the ball, but doesn't score, or turns the ball over. Our defense doesn't allow that many yards, but teams are scoring on us because they don't have far to move the ball because they are getting possession off of our turnovers close to the end zone. Take away at least some of the turnovers, we are 2-0, and one of the better teams in the NFL...frustrating. Just my
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I agree with most of you. I am suprised we aren't blitzing and being agressive. We are still letting the QB get 4+ seconds to throw the ball and the secondary is getting burned. So what! we have a rookie CB on one side.I didn't see Dallas complaining that they had Newman when he was a rookie. Getting pressure on the QB will help the rookie out where he doesn't have to cover for so long and that goes for Glenn too.

Not taking anything away from Detroit.. Their OL is really good at keeping the QB on their feet (and QB good at getting rid of the ball).
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