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Old 09-12-2004   #1
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Sorry folks for the early rant, but either the 3-4 has to go or they have to find a defensive coordinator that will run it the right way! YES, I know we can not turn the ball over as many times as we did, but we also have to cause something on the defensive side of the ball! How many third down conversions did the Chargers have? Not the Patriots, Not the Eagles, Not the Colts, but the Chargers? Not only conversions, but for long yards! This team has to blitz the QB more and place pressure on the QB! Mark my words, the Chargers will not win more than 3 more games this season, due to the SMART D-Coordinators realizing that pressure is the key to breaking down an offense, not relying on a defense that is just getting back together after being destoryed by injury a year ago, and two rookies! Either switch to a scheme that will alow you to place more pressure on the QB, or fire the Coordinator! With a game plan like this, get ready for a long, hot, loosing season in Houston!
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Hate to say it but you have a point. Something has to be done about the lack of pressure on the opposing QB.
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Too much conservative play calling on offense and defense.
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i couldnt agree more. we dont have any pass rush, and IMO it's due to not sending enough rushers. 4 men usually arent going to get it done. it's obvious that the olb that isnt on a te is going to rush and the other will watch. the 3-4 is meant to confuse qb's with that many men in the back able to either rush or drop back. it does no good if everyone drops back. either we send 4 certified linemen as per the 4-3 or we utilize the 3-4 by mixing up our schemes. i never saw sharper or foreman blitz, did yall? wong got a couple calls but that's expected and if their left guard was 1/2 a step quicker we would've gone the entire game relying on robaire's solitary rushing ability.

blitz somebody! hit somebody! there's not an offense in football that is afraid of the texans and we're to blame for that.
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blitz somebody! hit somebody! there's not an offense in football that is afraid of the texans and we're to blame for that.
We couldn't buy a sack today. Wong got ONE.......WHOOPEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Arm tackling does not work. I have never seen so much hand slappin'. Guys like Tomlinson and Edgerrin James just skip and hop along like mutant rabbits up the field through our defense.

Eric Brown can't keep up with a guy twice his size and probably much slower.

The supposed weak offensive line of San Diego, that you message board experts told us about, looked pretty doggone good today!!!!!!!!
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LT did NOT skip through our offense today, we got beat by the passing game. i didnt see many arm tackles and i think joe texan could've been a wr threat the way penalties were called on robinson today. if that 40 yard touching call is a penalty, we are in a LOT of trouble this season.

eric brown did look bad, but he was out of place. i want babin or wong slamming him at the LOS and ending it there. gates was never touched by a lb, either at the line or in coverage.

our big problem is pass rush, and i think it's quickly becoming obvious that it's not necessarily personel, it's system. babin did his job very well today, getting close to the qb and making plays in the backfield, but didnt have time to get to the qb. we were missing payne which hurt quite a bit but isnt an excuse. we HAVE to send more rushers occasionally. we HAVE to scare the opposing qb's. manning is the only qb in the league that i've seen that's afraid of 9 men in the backfield, for everyone else we need to send atleast 7 on occassion and hurt someone in the process. hit em! this is football, i wanna see the whites of the opposing qb's eyes as he gets pummeled by a backside rush.
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The 3-4 "vanilla" defence is no good unless you are gonna USE the flexibility it gives ya to create confusion and pressure on the QB. Playing a "conservative" 3-4 is playing to lose - not to win. If the DC want's to keep his job, he is going to have to show a bit of testosterone and turn those dogs loose so they can hunt! Keep tying them to the portch and they will be guarding your retirement home.
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I say settle down. The OL is still settling into the new zone blocking. The defense is stilling gelling. Starting two rookies can have an affect. I am still optomisitc about this season. By week 6 If we can salvage 2 or 3 wins then we will be in good shape. That is my prediction.
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We didn't get pressure in the 2nd half, the first half we gave them some decent pressure and allowed 13 points. You can't help it when a rookie falls down and they get a TD, a 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, 6-1 scheme won't help you one bit if that happens. We got no safety play . Parker should have been covered by Brown and one of the LB's on Gates.
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Firstly DOm Capers has complete control over the scheme the defense runs and secondly I think you have to look at the personel we have. We have great D-lineman and pretty good LBs. I think that the secondary only has one very good player, as it did last year. Dunta is a rook and he will come along, but he played questionably today, with the trip and the penalties, I had my doubts on Marcus Coleman making the switch to FS and he really didnt show me anything today. But the person I was most worried about proved his worth today. SS Eric Brown had a horrible game in my opinion, not being able to contain a the TE and vertualy being demolished by the guy.


Oh and the pass rush is bad, but thats the only thing I place on the coordinator. Too conservative in his blitzing, not really bringing enough players on the blitz.
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Eric Brown did look pretty bad today.
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Eric Brown did look pretty bad today.
The team is already aware of that. Why do you think we drafted Earl in the 4th? Brown is good against the run but is a liability in coverage. Personally I'd like to see McCree moved to SS and see what he can do.
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Sorry folks for the early rant, but either the 3-4 has to go or they have to find a defensive coordinator that will run it the right way! YES, I know we can not turn the ball over as many times as we did, but we also have to cause something on the defensive side of the ball! How many third down conversions did the Chargers have? Not the Patriots, Not the Eagles, Not the Colts, but the Chargers? Not only conversions, but for long yards! This team has to blitz the QB more and place pressure on the QB! Mark my words, the Chargers will not win more than 3 more games this season, due to the SMART D-Coordinators realizing that pressure is the key to breaking down an offense, not relying on a defense that is just getting back together after being destoryed by injury a year ago, and two rookies! Either switch to a scheme that will alow you to place more pressure on the QB, or fire the Coordinator! With a game plan like this, get ready for a long, hot, loosing season in Houston!
Ok let me get this we have pretty much the same defense we had in 2002 back and all the players healthy now and you say 3-4 isnt working ???? We beat the steelers what 21 to 6 or something like that and you wanna talk about the 3-4 isnt working ok man,,,,almost all the starters were hurt last season give them a lil chance to get back into the speed of the game. Well i guess the pats shoulda fired all their coordinator after there opening loss to buffalo 31-0 last season huh,,,oh but didnt they do just fine the rest of the year ???? MAN IT WAS JUST ONE GAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's exactly it, it shouldn't be a big surprise. I tried to tell people that this defense is pretty young, and it showed. They were all out of synch all day. It takes time for a team gel together. I actually think this is good for our defense to get beat this first game because we can then take more time to fix the problems. We should be more prepared and playing together these next few games.
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That's exactly it, it shouldn't be a big surprise. I tried to tell people that this defense is pretty young, and it showed. They were all out of synch all day. It takes time for a team gel together. I actually think this is good for our defense to get beat this first game because we can then take more time to fix the problems. We should be more prepared and playing together these next few games.
I agree i just hate it how people wanna count out the D because of one bad game ,,,,when some of the players havent played in a whole year ! The D will be good ,,,babin looked sharp and i think Dunta did good for the most part.
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