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Old 08-28-2004   #1
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I have came to the conclusion that if we have to play Ragone at all this season, we are screwed.
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That's strange, I came to that same conclusion after the first pre-season game. I want Mike Quinn back.
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hehe, I have to say the 3-misnaps drive was perhaps one of the most pathetic ever--preseason or not. To be honest I was cracking up laughing after missnap #2, while saying a quick prayer to Carr's health this year.
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Symons needs to be ready.
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Let Ragone spend some time with the 1st team, or at least 2nd team, before passing judgement on him. No QB could have fared well behind the Texans 3rd string O-line.
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Let Ragone spend some time with the 1st team, or at least 2nd team, before passing judgement on him. No QB could have fared well behind the Texans 3rd string O-line.

But he had some pretty decent targets last year when he took the field against Jacksonville and Tamp Bay.
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Banks was equally pathetic last night imo. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He looked totally out of it.

At the last public practice I watched from about 30 feet away as Chris Palmer "coached" Dave Ragone on a 5 step drop and various timing routes. Either Ragone wasn't having a good day or he's still sorely lacking in fundamentals. Palmer was having to count out loud 1-2-3-4-5! as Ragone dropped back because he eiher was cutting it short or he was "hopping" on the 5th step, making his throws sail wildly. This was with no pass rush - just a center, Ragone, and a WR. Palmer was hot, literally and figuratively and the only thing that saved Ragone that day was the air horn that ended that set of drills.
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So to summarize...Ragone was basically a wasted pick. I know you beloved Texans think David Carr hung the moon--but, you shouldn't be so quick to judge a sophomore QB. He has not had adequate playing time to prove what he can do. You stick him in a game where you're already getting beat. He plays 4-1/2 minutes with a backup O-line. What do you people want? Miracles?
I mean, David Carr was so glorious his first year there right? He was ranked the 2nd worst QB in NFL in 2002. You say that's not a fair judgement, right? And why is that? Because he played behind a young, insufficient O line? My point precisely.
And yes, biased I am. I am from Louisville, I watched Ragone mature into an excellent QB at the college level. With the right team, he will be an excellent QB at the NFL level. I just hope it is with someone who gives him the time to prove what he is actually capable of doing with a football. Clearly, you can not.
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Ragone has not made as much progress as I hoped to this point, but to say he is, and will always be a bust is way premature imo. Let's not forget that Trent Dilfer was a dog, Brett Favre was a drunk who wouldn't amount to a hill of beans, Rich Gannon was a wasted pick, and Kerry Collins' boosters in North Carolina could have all fit in a mini-van. I'll give you a hint as to what all of them accomplished later in their careers, but I will say it has something to do with a bowl or some kind.

They have changed Ragone's mechanics this offseason, and he is a work in progress. Sure, we are in trouble if Ragone has to become the starter this year. Can any of you brainics identify a team in the league that wouldn't be if they had to rely on their 3rd QB for an extended period?
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Ragone has not had a fair chance to develop here in Houston. David Carr is another young QB who is the cornerstone of the team, so he is naturally going to get as many reps as possible to speed his development...especially with the first team. Tony Banks is the second priority because he is the backup and needs to stay sharp in case Carr goes down with an injury. Ragone gets reps during the preseason because of the high number of players in camp, but I doubt he gets very many reps with the first team.

During the regular season practices are shorter and there are a lot fewer reps available with the first team. Carr probably gets about 80-90% of the snaps with the first team during a typical game week and Banks probably gets the rest to stay sharp and a little familiar with the starters. Ragone is limited to scout team work. If Carr were to get injured, Banks might end up getting all the snaps with the first team that week to prepare to play.

I think some of the criticism of Ragone has been because fans were expecting him to progress along the same growth rate as David Carr. However, look at how much time Carr had with the first team as a rookie compared to Ragone. From the first day of camp, Carr was the starter and getting the starter's share of snaps with the first team. On Ragone's first day of camp he was battling for the #3 spot and getting a lot fewer reps. Once the regular season began Ragone was probably not getting much work, especially not with the first unit. He certainly never had the majority of snaps with the first team until the two weeks he was the starting quarterback. And then he was thrown to the wolves:
1)against two good defenses (Jacksonville and Tampa Bay)
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3)without his starting RB (the first game against Jacksonville)

Ragone has the tools to be a pretty good NFL quarterback, but he needs reps and then playing time to develop. As a Longhorn fan, I am glad Chris Simms is in Tampa Bay and not in Ragone's position. I think Texans fans are going to start complaining about the Texans drafting Ragone instead of Simms, but it has been a difficult situation for Ragone and would have been an impossible one for Simms because he would have had the added pressure of playing in the state of Texas. In Tampa Bay, Simms has had the chance to be groomed as the QB of the future.
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One quick note on this...I will 1st mention that I am not a T-Banks fan either. I was listening to Clayton and Salisbury on ESPN last night and "The Steak" mentioned that Jeff George would be a great #2 QB that would like a veteran back-up. I discounted this at 1st but he made a great case for him...maybe we take a look at him, or heck anyone else but Banks or Ragone. I have chills when I think of either one of those guys coming in and the game on the line.
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Chris Simms looks much better than Ragone and Simms has less real game experience.

I think the difference between the two QB's that were drafted in the 3rd round is glaring. But then again as my username indicates, I am biased. We will be able to compare on Thursday.
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what is funny is that with college stats. Ragone was fairly close to some highly thought of Qb out of Michigan that we drafted and traded to the cowboys .. dare I mention that name
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I liked Ragone when he was in college, and I still think he has the potential to be a good pro QB. He still has another whole season to improve, but starting next year, his window will narrow dramatically. If he doesn't improve enough, I believe the Texans will go in another direction, and Rags will have to either find another team to play for or go and get a real job. Even though I hope he can live up to his potential, I think he will ultimately be passed up by B. J. Symons. But that's just my opinion.
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Denver is really big on Quinn. They are wanting to make him the #2 right away. The Texans have one of the best #2's in the league when he is on. Banks won't continue to play as he did against Denver. He had a bad day and was working with 2nd and 3rd string receivers. If he were thrown in as a starter due to injury in the regular season things will be much diffrent. I just hope it never comes to that. Problem is Banks is sure to leave after this season and one of our remaining 2 will have to fill in..who? its wide open
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Denver cut Mike Quinn today.

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Left handed QB who in 2nd year is being forced to change his delivery. I think he was drafted to use as trade bait in another year or two anyway. Banks has proven to be a solid QB his career. I want to see how BJ Symmons grades out. As no one was interested in signing Banks after 03 season for a large increase, I think he may sign another 1 year deal for 05 and by then I hope Symmons may be #2.
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I have came to the conclusion that if we have to play Ragone at all this season, we are screwed.
I feel you man, I came to that conclusion when I went to some of those free practices. Can you believe that this fan actually had the nerve to say to me that Ragone was better than Banks. (At the cowboy game) I just said,"Nothing". What do you say to an *****.
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