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Old 08-14-2004   #1
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hollings looked pretty good except for his fumblitis. i only saw two fumbles but i heard he ended up with 4! kinda scary to think he could see sig pt if dd goes down.
on the plus, j wells looks like hes faster than year 1. he looked like a different player.
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I saw 2, and the official stats have him with 2.
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Default Re: t hollings

I think they counted the one after Banks handed off to him as a fumble by Banks. I was very impressed by Robinson.
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He better get all those turnovers out of his system during the pre-season, because he will be riding the pine if he does it in the regular season.
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As much as I agree about Hollings needing to control the fumbles (showed issues last year as well), I still say that first one was nothing but a solid helmut to the ball. That would've been difficult for anyone to hold on to.

A couple of the other ones though were not excuse.
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That was my only real question about the game, why couldnt Hollings hold on to the ball? That first one was a good helmet to ball and I understood that, but on the next one he dropped a good hand off and in the second half he gave away the Texans only turnover under the pile.

Hopefully DC gives him some laps or push ups or whatever punishment the pros get so he can stop all that fumbling and learn to keep 2 hands on the ball.
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I'm willing to eat crow and say Hollings may turn out to be alright after all. Remember he does not have alot of experience at the RB position, there are fundementals that still need to be ingrained and he needs to develop better upper body strength. However having said that, he impressed me with his acceleration and explosivness, something that last year I was unconvinced he would be able to regain. Mad props to the medical team & trainers. Let's be patient with Tony and give him time to develop, today was just the beginning.
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Default The next Tiki Barber?

I have been waiting to see Hollings good some extended action and he is a hard runner, excellent burst and able receiver. What he is not is a sure handed "trust with the rock in critical situations" guy yet...After the 3rd ball hitting the turf he was involved in I immediately started refering to him as Tiki2. This was the knock on him last year was slippery hands as well. Hope that this gets rectified!
On another note I noticed Wells got nicked up...but he looks incredibly improved over the last couple seasons.
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....but on the next one he dropped a good hand off and in the second half he gave away the Texans only turnover under the pile.
The one he lost was because he was out of the game for 2 quarters and had to come in for Anderson when he got hurt, he was cold and his mind wasnt in the game anymore, he didnt think he was going to play again...

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I'm willing to eat crow and say Hollings may turn out to be alright after all
:hehe: Remember who stuck up for Hollings when you doubters said that Hollings couldnt regain his speed or quickness and that he would not be able to break tackles??? That was me.

But remember, we did not talk about fumbles....
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The one he lost was because he was out of the game for 2 quarters and had to come in for Anderson when he got hurt, he was cold and his mind wasnt in the game anymore, he didnt think he was going to play again...
I too was impressed with Hollings last night, but to say thats the reason why he fumbled the ball is ridiculous. NFL players have to be ready to go anytime their coach calls their name and they better have their head in the game or they're gonna get hurt. If he messes up just say he messed up, we dont have to make excuses for him.(Thats what cowgirl fans do :hehe: )

One thing I would like to see from Hollings though is stronger runs up the middle. The guy runs on the outside like a madman and I was very impressed with his speed. DD is a better inside runner though. Having to good backs is a problem I dont mind having. Hollings and DD compliment each other great. One guy cand get you the tough yards up the middle and the other hits homeruns on the outside. Our offense is about to explode and I think it is going to happen this season. David Carr played Flawless last night, thats what made me the happiest.
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Other than the fumbles,one was caused by a good hit, he looked good.
This won't be a joking matter to any of us if he continues to cough up the football. It doesn't matter how good he runs out there, or how much yardage he gets. If he makes this a habit, Capers won't let him play.

I'm worried about it, because historically, players that have the propensity to fumble, will always have the propensity to fumble. If Hollings develops a rep, the opposing teams will concentrate that much harder to force him to fumble, sometimes at the expense of wrapping him up. Risky, but worth it in red-zone situations.

Against Pittsburgh, I'll be watching Hollings, not to see how much he runs, but if he can hold on to the egg. If he can't, he'll put Capers on the spot.
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This won't be a joking matter to any of us if he continues to cough up the football. It doesn't matter how good he runs out there, or how much yardage he gets. If he makes this a habit, Capers won't let him play.

I'm worried about it, because historically, players that have the propensity to fumble, will always have the propensity to fumble. If Hollings develops a rep, the opposing teams will concentrate that much harder to force him to fumble, sometimes at the expense of wrapping him up. Risky, but worth it in red-zone situations.

Against Pittsburgh, I'll be watching Hollings, not to see how much he runs, but if he can hold on to the egg. If he can't, he'll put Capers on the spot.
Tiki Barber, Ahman Green, and Travis Henry all have fumbling problems, although Henry cleaned his up last year. The first fumble was helmet to ball, what was he suppose to do??? The second one was with Banks at QB, so Hollings had to adjust to a different QB handing him the ball. And the one he lost in the redzone, he had just sat on the bench for 2 full quarters and his mind wasnt in the game.
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Default Hollings Speed

Someone posted in another thread that Tony didn't seem very fast. I think they said he didn't seem Portis fast.

IMHO- These guys have two very different running styles. Portis is a guy that is fast regardless of the direction he is moving and once he gets going up field, he is quick to his top speed.

I watched all four of Tony's college games and he reminds me of Robert Smith of the Vikings. More of a hundred meter guy that isn't going to get through the traffic as fast as Portis but if he makes the corner, he just kind of sits back and eats up the yards with long smooth strides.

I predict that if Davis has another good year and Tony is only getting 10-15 plays a game, the Texans may try to incorporate him in the passing game more to take advantage of his speed in the open field.
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Hollings has a very fluid running style and has a bit of an effortless gliding style that doesn't seem fast, but if you look at the guys chasing him they aren't catching him. He eats up space very quickly and sure looked explosive to me Saturday.
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me too. Folks are making a big deal about his fumbles. I think he played well and looked sharpe.
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The way I saw it, he had a few nice runs and three fumbles.
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what did u really expect? the guy played how many games as a rb in college?
1 fumble was a perfect hit.
1 fumble was an exchange between banks and hollings.
at least 1 was legit.

he was drafted because he has great potential---and he showed that.

hes not a polished rb...and wont be for sometime. give the guy a break on the fumbles (for now). ya should of known he was raw with his experience. i saw a player with a really really high ceilling. and i also saw a rb who had solid recieving skills. thats bonus considering he was converted from a db. i feel fine with our rb situation going into the season.

if its a continued problem (the fumbles) in the next couple of games, then maybe its time to cry wolf...until then im happy with his performance. RELAX.
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me too. Folks are making a big deal about his fumbles. I think he played well and looked sharpe.
The fumbles are a big deal. Luckily, he has the rest of the month to get that taken care of.
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