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Old 07-26-2004   #1
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Default Did the Texans overpay to aquire Wade?

Just wanted to get your feedback on this. Its bothered me since the deal was done that so many respected publications, think the Texans overpaid. With Rickie Williams retirement this brought up the possibility that losing his primary lead blocker influenced his decision. One might suspect the closeness of at least the on field relationship, since both players are laying their bodies on the line for each other. It would seem to me the Texans reaped a significant value in Todd Wade as Domianck Davis lead blocker for years to come, ensuring Davis will resign with the Texans. Then how can all these so called experts say the Texans overpaid Wade?
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I dont think they did. This is just speculation, because I dont know the details of the contract, but it seems to me that the Texas front office gives out big signing bonuses and smaller base salaries. So by giving a big signing bonus, it makes the Texans look like they overpaid. They did the same with D-Rob's and Babin's contracts this year.
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i don't think that the team overpaid at all, because he is a young RT and has not reached the apex of his ability.Not to mention that he was on his rookie contract so based on his preformance the money he got was was due for helping Ricky Williams rush for like 3200 yards in the pass to years.
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The Eagles paid Jon Runyan about the same amount about 4 years ago. It started a trend for some teams to pay quality RT's bigger salaries. Runyan has been a key compenent to the Eagles team that has been to 3 consecutive NFC Championship Games.

The Texans think they have acquired another Jon Runyan in Todd Wade. He may not have the same impact, but that is their belief.

I personally think that Wade is a superior pass and run blocker compared to Greg Randall. DD and Hollings should be able to run comfortable to the right with Wiegert, Wade, and either Joppru or Bruener blocking. It would be a bonus if Wand and Pitts developed cohesiveness on the left side too.

With the exception of Wand, the starting linemen seem more suited to run blocking than pass blocking. That shows you that the team has build this line to match their vision of run first, pass second.
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They paid just a little above market value for Wade. It was a need that they had to fill. How much did they pay for Boscelli? Considering the risk - was that preceived as a bad move? Not at all. Especially since it allowed us to acquire Walker and Payne. So the Texans are not affraid to pay the right people for their abilities. And they wont be in the future either. If it was a little high...eh, big deal. They have plenty of cap room and are far from being in a financial pinch. We got the guy that we needed - can you really place a dollar value on that?

They are ultimately looking at what they are paying for their starting tackles. Wand is a 3rd rounder in his second year probably counting less than 500k for the year. Wade is 2.2 mil against the cap this year and only 3.1 million next year. That comes to 2.7 million for your starting tackles in 04 and 3.7 million next year in 05. What are the Raiders paying again? or the Broncos, Jacksonville, Bucs, Chargers or anyone really. We are on the cheap for that position and the leadership knows that. Good stuff.

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The same people who say the Texans over paid are the ones who critized Casserly for drafting Hendon and for making DD the # 4 pick. They said the Texans needed O-line help and that O-lineman in both those positions were the correct move. They were wrong about Henson, DD, and Wade. Casserly is one of if not the best GM in the league.
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Whoa now, let's hold back a bit in naming him the best GM in the league. He's had his share of foul ups and missed players in the draft. We didn't get as much for Henson as was initially thought and Wade hasn't played for us yet. He's had a couple of successes but then you have Boselli. It still remains to be seen if a few of the draft picks from the last 2 years are panning out (Weary, Hill (gone), Wells, Ragone, Gaffney, Joppru, Peek Wand, etc.) Give a little more time to grade him. I think after this year we can really see where the successes and failures were.
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We have only played two years....so the jury is out.

No Boselli means no Payne and Walker so you cannot always point to that as a failure.
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No doubt about it, the concensus is that we paid a humoungous premieum for
Wade. Had he been a front line LT, maybe not, but a 10 mill signing bonus for
a RT - RTs are basically glorified guards. But the way I see it, it balances out if
Wand is good enough to be our long-term LT, 'cause getting that with a 3rd pick is filling one of the most important positions on your team at a real discount.
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...RTs are basically glorified guards.
These are some of the guys that NFL RT's are responsible for in pass blocking:

Michael Strahan
Ogunleye Adewale
Leonard Little
Trevor Pryce
Shaun Ellis
Terrell Suggs
Kevin Carter
Julius Peppers
Charles Grant
Kevin Williams

Pass rushers don’t just lineup over the LT any longer.
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You're right Lucky, RTs go up against some talented people to, but unlike the
LTs they've usually have a TE on their outside to help them out.
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You're right Lucky, RTs go up against some talented people to, but unlike the
LTs they've usually have a TE on their outside to help them out.
That's correct, TE's do lineup on the right side for many teams. But as V alluded to earlier in the thread, Wade’s acquisition should allow the Texans to move the TE to the left side to provide help to the young LT on the edge. Training camp's coming, we'll see if that holds true.
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i think you guys are looking at this in hindsight. when the decission was made it was not a foretold conclusion that boselli would never play again.

when the texans made their decission they potentialy were in a position to gain:

walker------probowler
payne------solid nt to go with the system capers wanted and the talent to be much better then solid...
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boselli------one of the best lts of this era. injured? yes. but worth the gamble? i think so.

if the boselli situation works out this is perhaps one of the best coups a gm could pull off considering the circumstances.

it didnt workout. but no one knew 100% that was going to be the case when the under the table deal was made.

when you consider how we did profit vs what we could of got...i think its a pretty easy decision.

as for wade? pricey contract? yes. but #1 he adds stability to the line. and #2 he adds the beef on the right side to prompt an unstoppable running attack in short yardage situations.

weigart,wade,breuner.
3rd and short?
bank.

wades contract will be far more bearable when we see what a diffrence he makes in the running attack. that is the signature of a capers offense. the texans got what they wanted even if they didnt get what you and i might of wanted. 2 years from now no one will think twice about his contract.
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8 LT's that are listed as starters going into this season who were drafted in 2002 & 2003.
That is a pretty good list if you ask me, but you need to add a couple more.

2002
Langston Walker - Raiders Played LT in college and with the Raiders. Moved to RT with the addition of Gallery. i remember him being high on several draft boards.

2003
George Foster - Denver - Although starting at RT now, can play LT.

No reason we couldn't have swung a deal for any of those guys you've listed in the previous draft, considering all we gave up for Babin. Heck, if we did that then maybe we wouldn't have seen the likes of Wells, Weary, or Hill. But there are way too many cominations or scenarios to go into being that I have the benefit of hindsight. It was far from a single path that we could have taken, especially with all the draft picks we had, money available, and free agency.


You say that we would have never had Carr and/or Johnson if we had gone another route. Ok, sure. But then you are saying that guys like Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Losman, Ben Roethlisberger, Joey Harrington, Ramsey, McCown, Donte Stallworth, Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, Anquan Boldin, Tyron Calico, Clayton, Michael, Jenkins, Michael, Woods, Rashaun or any of the other guys not selected by the Texans would not have contributed to the success of our team in the future. I like Carr and Johnson, but to say that they are a class above the rest has a bit of 'homerism' in it. If we had Carr/Boldin, that would be great. If we had Leftwich/Ramsey/Boller/Johnson, I've be fine with that. We could have traded up many times in previous drafts just like we did this year. And don't get me started on the infinite number of trade/Free Agent possibilities.
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Langston Walker was the 53rd pick in the 2002 draft. We took Pitts over him at 50. We could have had him if he wanted him. George Foster was inactive in every game last year except for one or two if I remember correctly. Wand saw the field more than he did.
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WE could have had almost anybody with the #1's and the #3 picks and a slew of draft choices throught our existance.
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