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Old 06-07-2014   #1
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25. Houston Texans

Excitement is in the air in Houston at the prospect of teaming Jadeveon Clowney with J.J. Watt and unleashing destruction on opposing offenses, but the problem is that the roster is riddled with issues everywhere else.

Watt was the best player in football a year ago and a virtually unstoppable force inside, generating 85 total pressures and earning them at a rate of one every 6.1 rushing attempts -- a rate better than anybody not named Robert Quinn -- and yet the Texans still stumbled to just two wins on the season. Clowney will no doubt help, but the team needs a revamp elsewhere. The offensive line, not far removed from being the best unit in football, is suddenly a questionable entity now that they are moving away from the zone-blocking scheme that they executed so well. The defensive secondary is talented but inconsistent, and the biggest problem of all is that there is still no real answer at quarterback, with Ryan Fitzpatrick being a caretaker at best.

By the numbers: The Texans span the entire color-coded spectrum, with their projected starters featuring everything from a pair of blue-chippers to a rookie and a player in Jerrell Powe whom we just have not seen enough snaps to accurately quantify. The real issue, though, is with below-average players. Eight of them (33.3 percent) currently occupy places among the starting lineups.
FYI (if you're not an insider); Colts lead the AFC South at 12, Robert Mathis is their only elite player. Titans are 21st, & Jacksonville is 32nd.

Cowboys are 18th with no elite players.

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  2. 49ers
  3. Broncos
  4. Saints
  5. Eagles
  6. Patriots
  7. Bengals
  8. Packers
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Which NFL teams have the best collections of players?FYI (if you're not an insider); Colts lead the AFC South at 12, Robert Mathis is their only elite player. Titans are 21st, & Jacksonville is 32nd.

Cowboys are 18th with no elite players.

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  4. Saints
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  9. Cardinals
  10. Native Americans wearing big feathered headdresses
Sounds like a BS favoritism list to me. I hate ignorant writers !
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And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.
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And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.
They're actually just putting together the numbers PFF puts out... PFF who we all love because their stats show Jj Watt as the best defensive player in the league two years running, they're also the first to call DBrown Elite, outside of Houston... DB had an off year & Cush (& Arian) had season ending injuries.

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And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.
Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.
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Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.
True. Seems their desire to be up to date would include shifting Reed to not enough information instead of using his rating as an OLB.
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Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.
True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players. Julio Jones is elite... Dez Bryant is elite... They're not showing it that way.

Would be nice to see the same "study" done looking through a three or four year window.
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True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players. Julio Jones is elite... Dez Bryant is elite... They're not showing it that way.

Would be nice to see the same "study" done looking through a three or four year window.
I just dont agree that we have the 25th best Roster, D Brown had an off year, Arian is back looks healthy and Cush is back. Jo Jo also had an off year, and i think KJ is better than they are giving him credit for.
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True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players.
Well, to be fair, they also aren't projecting things either. As in, how good will Cushing be after two consecutive knee surgeries? Some of the greatest players in the game have had their careers turn ordinary because of injury.

I'm a little more optimistic about the OL than they are, and I think a couple guys they listed as average or below average have some improvement in their future.
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And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.
The fact that they don't rate Tom Brady as "elite" tells me all I need to know.
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The fact that they don't rate Tom Brady as "elite" tells me all I need to know.
Since it appears they are totally focused on last season, on that season alone Brady was not elite. Unfortunately my money would be that pissed him off and he will be again this season (that and folks hounding him about getting old and quitting).
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Since it appears they are totally focused on last season, on that season alone Brady was not elite. Unfortunately my money would be that pissed him off and he will be again this season (that and folks hounding him about getting old and quitting).
My money is on Tom Brady doesn't give an eff about what anyone thinks, writes, or otherwise.
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We have the best defensive player in football, one of the best linebackers in football, one of the best left tackles in football, one of the best running backs in football, and one of the best wide receivers in football.

Those five guys alone make this roster better than 25th.

Of course, ESPN is a clown show and has been a clown show and anyone who continues to watch their programming or read their analysis is a contributor to the downfall of sports society.
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Of course, ESPN is a clown show and has been a clown show and anyone who continues to watch their programming or read their analysis is a contributor to the downfall of sports society.
Funny you should mention that, because just five weeks ago... heck, as recently as three weeks ago... as a matter of fact, you can find a thread that is active today where someone is talking about the many holes we have on our team & why this "turnaround" is going to take more two years minimum.

It's been interesting reading all these arguments against ESPN's analysis... gives me hope for the play offs in 2014.
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Funny you should mention that, because just five weeks ago... heck, as recently as three weeks ago... as a matter of fact, you can find a thread that is active today where someone is talking about the many holes we have on our team & why this "turnaround" is going to take more two years minimum.

It's been interesting reading all these arguments against ESPN's analysis... gives me hope for the play offs in 2014.
Until training camp unfolds and we know how the starting lineups are populated and how those lineups execute the new offense and new defense, we don't know where we fit.

Too many open questions still remain....

will we fix the right side of the O-line?
who will step up and play LG?
can Foster flourish in this new offense the way he did under the stretch offense?
Can the guys we think that will start at OLB (or ILB for that matter) be effective in pass coverage?
If A.J. comes back how long will it take for whoever starts at QB to click?
WILL A.J. come back?
Is Graham our #1 TE? If so, will he step his game up this year?
Are we really gonna start Fitzpatrick??

With all those questions - and more - 25th sounds kinda high.
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Until training camp unfolds and we know how the starting lineups are populated and how those lineups execute the new offense and new defense, we don't know where we fit.

Too many open questions still remain....

will we fix the right side of the O-line?
who will step up and play LG?
can Foster flourish in this new offense the way he did under the stretch offense?
Can the guys we think that will start at OLB (or ILB for that matter) be effective in pass coverage?
If A.J. comes back how long will it take for whoever starts at QB to click?
WILL A.J. come back?
Is Graham our #1 TE? If so, will he step his game up this year?
Are we really gonna start Fitzpatrick??

With all those questions - and more - 25th sounds kinda high.
There are just an absolute ton of questions surrounding this team. I think it's why most of us predicted between 7-9 wins this season. It going to take several folks we aren't counting on to step up and become special this year if we are to be more than just mediocre.
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Until training camp unfolds and we know how the starting lineups are populated and how those lineups execute the new offense and new defense, we don't know where we fit.

Too many open questions still remain....

will we fix the right side of the O-line?
who will step up and play LG?
can Foster flourish in this new offense the way he did under the stretch offense?
Can the guys we think that will start at OLB (or ILB for that matter) be effective in pass coverage?
If A.J. comes back how long will it take for whoever starts at QB to click?
WILL A.J. come back?
Is Graham our #1 TE? If so, will he step his game up this year?
Are we really gonna start Fitzpatrick??

With all those questions - and more - 25th sounds kinda high.
Seems that everyone is trying to come up with their own metrics so they can have a unique take. Using a single year performance to determine if a player is elite or not seems short-sighted. Too high of a reward/punishment scale to have a lot of credibility. Make this same assessment for 2012 and the Texans probably score Top 5 instead of close to Bottom 5. Neither would be completely accurate.

That being said, the Texans have areas they need to address. We as fans see those areas in granular detail because this is our team. Outside of not having a known #1 QB on this team, I don't see the areas of concern being that unique from any other NFL team.

O-line and LB's especially. Seems that these are two default areas that most teams' fans discuss to death in the off season.
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...With all those questions - and more - 25th sounds kinda high.
Well, at least we'll be playing in what looks to be historically one of the worst divisions in the last 10 years, or so.


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Which NFL teams have the best collections of players?FYI (if you're not an insider); Colts lead the AFC South at 12, Robert Mathis is their only elite player. Titans are 21st, & Jacksonville is 32nd.

Cowboys are 18th with no elite players.

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Here's the way I see it, based off of last yr (Injuries included.)

Brown - is a green with a chance to be a blue. Due to injury and playing next to an injured W.Smith.

Foster- Should be a light green because he's coming off back surgery and you don't know how long it will be before his back goes out again.

Cushing- Who knows what his level of play will be or if he will get injured again. Light green seems fair.

Watt/AJ- Definitely Blue.
Fitzpatrick= Orange, I agree.
Griffin= Agreed/ Graham will be replaced by Fiedo so this grade should be a purple.

Hopkins- Yellow = Agreed with a chance for great improvement in yr 2.
Martin- Agreed. Luckily he will only be the KR/PR if he even makes the team. I look for Posey/Labhart/Bonner to take Martin's spot on the roster. So this position will be upgraded.

Jones- Orange= Agreed, but Su'a-Filo was drafted to be a major upgrade so I don't think this grade is fair.

Myers/Brooks- Light Green= Agreed, But I look for a big improvement from Brooks as a 2nd yr starter.

Newton-Red= Agreed, But he will get better or be replaced by Ques/Williams/Witzmann. I look for this position to be a lot better than most people think this yr.

Powe- Gray = Agreed, But I feel Nix, if healthy will become the best NT since the Texans inception. Massive upgrade.

Crick- Orange = Agreed, Crick has potential to be a light green, since this is his 1st real chance to get PT.

Reed- Red= Disagree. Reed should have been playing ILB all along. He will be a major upgrade. Great against the run and can cover the deep middle against TE's.

Mercilus- Orange= Agreed, Situational Pass rusher at best. I hope that Tarpinian (SP?) or Williams can beat Mercilus out. This position needs upgrading.

Joseph- Light green= Disagree, Joseph's play has really suffered due to injury the last couple of yrs. He has been playing at an orange level. But if healthy he could become a blue/green level player.

Jackson- Yellow = Agreed.
Harris- Orange= Agreed, he needs to improve majorly or be replaced.
Swearinger- Orange= Agreed, But if he can keep his head on his shoulders I look for Swearinger to be one of the most improved players on the roster.

Clemons- Agreed

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Default Re: espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
...Thoughts?
Your assessment of Mercilus may be a bit premature. This will be Mercilus' second year of starting, assuming he wins the opportunity, and traditionally OLB's make significant improvement in production this second year. He needs to develop a second move for his pass rush but if he can accomplish this he should surprise.
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