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Old 04-07-2014   #1
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I'm no McClain fan but he had an interesting story to tell this morning. According to him a pro scout that has been around a long time swears he knows which QB the texans will draft. In fact he was so sure of it he wanted to bet McClain a steak dinner anywhere he wanted. McClain pushed him on it and the scout refused to say who the QB was. He did however say it wouldn't be a first overall pick QB. In fact it was a second round/tier QB.

The fact that he is refusing to name names kinda makes it more credible IMO. McClain pointed out to him that they still have private workouts scheduled and could change their minds. He didn't disagree but was adamant that they are set I a particular QB in the second round. If true my money is on Garoppolo (sp) or AJ McCarren.
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I heard McClain's story, and I'm with him. I don't buy it.
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His can you be set on one specific 2nd rounder when you have no idea if that guy will get picked before your turn??
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Not that I think for a minute that McClain has a clue about the intentions of the Texans in this Draft, but I do hope this "rumor" might somehow turn out to be true because I think we can do better for ourselves using the 1.1 on a non-QB and getting our QB later either in this Draft or thru trading a draft pick for a
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McClain not believing it means it will happen.
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A steak dinner isn't exactly betting the farm. Plus the scout always has an out in case the QB gets picked ahead of the Texans so he can always say they would have drafted him.
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Mettenberger or Garrapalo would be my guess IF (huge if) the scout is onto something. I like Jimmy but his hands are small. And Mettenberger is coming off an ACL. All QB's in this draft have one or more question marks.

I am not a huge fan of AJ. I wouldn't bite on him in the 2nd. Maybe in the 3rd or 4th. I think his future is shaky. Good backup/borderline starter type to me.

I still think they are taking Bortles at 1.1.
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His can you be set on one specific 2nd rounder when you have no idea if that guy will get picked before your turn??
If you are targeting a guy expected to go significantly lower and interested only in that particular player rather than the position. It's not a guarantee if that is what you are asking.
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If you are targeting a guy expected to go significantly lower and interested only in that particular player rather than the position. It's not a guarantee if that is what you are asking.
I think generally it is called a "reach."
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I think generally it is called a "reach."
Agreed. But for some reason it is acceptable to many who find reaching in the 1st unacceptable.
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I think generally it is called a "reach."
I hate that term.

A "reach" is defined by drafting a guy way earlier than you need to.

Who determines whether someone is a reach? The media who's been creating mocks based on where they think guys should go and who should draft them.

The problem with this is that the Media doesn't know how each team's got their board constructed and where players are on those boards. To be able to call someone a reach, you have to know that they're not going to be drafted until 1+ rounds later. And there's no way to know that.

Just look at the CBS draft board vs. Walter Football's board. Walter Football has some guys ranked in the 3rd round that CBS Draft Board has in the 7th round or an UDFA.

All it takes if for a team to like a guy and decide they can't wait any more to take him. At that point, he's not a reach.
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His can you be set on one specific 2nd rounder when you have no idea if that guy will get picked before your turn??
Everyone has pretty firm expectations about where certain guys are going to be drafted based on the needs of the teams drafting and the players available. All of these smokescreens and mirrors during the lead-up to the draft is teams' way of trying to throw the other teams off so they can get the guys they want when they want them.

So, heading into the draft, the Texans are going in with the guy they want at #1, then the list of guys they want at #2, then the list of guys they want at #3, etc. If they get the impression that the guy they want at a particular point isn't going to be there, then they'll trade up to make sure they get him.

So you target the guys you want in each round.

If you want a Garoppolo, you can be pretty sure he's going to be available in the 2nd round. There aren't that many teams drafting QBs and the ones that are are probably not going after Garoppolo in the first.

OTOH, we shouldn't be so sure this is Garoppolo. It could be Savage or Murray or McCarron (TK will be impossible to be around if that's the case) or Mettenberger or Boyd or... lots of different guys. And you can get those guys in the 3rd or 4th rounds if not later.
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I'd take Clowney and Murray or McCarron. Just mho, though. I think both will be very good NFL QB's and don't get enough credit.
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If true my money is on Garoppolo (sp) or AJ McCarren.
Don't bet on McCarron. I am the anti-fan, whatever I want, they do the exact opposite. It took me four years to fake that I loved Kubiak & when I finally got it..... BAM.

I'm working on my man-love for Rick Smith next.

Also if something unexpected happens, like Bridgewater dropping to the 2-1, I'd bet they go with him.
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To be honest, everything BoB has said publicly about the qb's in this draft & our qb situation points to this. Every time someone asks him about 1 of the top 3, he always goes out of his way to mention a few of the other 2nd tier guys.

I honestly think he's looking past the 1st 3 guys unless 1 of them drops to around 25 or so.

I don't think Grapalo will be there. Someone's gonna reach & get him late in the 1st. My bet on the 2nd tier qb he's targeting is either Mettenberger or Savage. Mettenberger b/c there won't be any pressure there to put him in right away b/c of his late injury, but the potential is definitely there.

& prior to BoB mentioning him, I hadn't heard anything about a Tom Savage.....from anyone. Which tells me he's firmly entrenched as a 2nd round & below prospect that most likely will be there 2:1 when the texans come up.
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To be honest, everything BoB has said publicly about the qb's in this draft & our qb situation points to this. Every time someone asks him about 1 of the top 3, he always goes out of his way to mention a few of the other 2nd tier guys.
I still doubt they have a solid idea about how the draft will unfold. Whatever they think now, will probably change after this week, when they get a better look at the players we have.

I guarantee you Rick has been selling his team to OB from day one. "Wait 'till you see this guy, do this, or that." or "You're going to be really impressed with, blah, blah, blah..."

As far as the QB thing goes, if I'm OB, I'm asking myself two questions.
  1. Can I win with this guy?
    This goes back to the list of things OB said he is looking for in a QB. I think all but maybe four guys would fit.
  2. Can I win this year with this guy?
    I think five guys in this years draft answers yes here.

From what I've heard about the draft I feel pretty good that at least two of the guys that answer yes to both questions will be there at the top of the second (which is basically a first round pick)...... it would be hard for me to draft a QB at the top of the draft just because "everybody" is talking about three of them.
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I still doubt they have a solid idea about how the draft will unfold. Whatever they think now, will probably change after this week, when they get a better look at the players we have.

I guarantee you Rick has been selling his team to OB from day one. "Wait 'till you see this guy, do this, or that." or "You're going to be really impressed with, blah, blah, blah..."

As far as the QB thing goes, if I'm OB, I'm asking myself two questions.
  1. Can I win with this guy?
    This goes back to the list of things OB said he is looking for in a QB. I think all but maybe four guys would fit.
  2. Can I win this year with this guy?
    I think five guys in this years draft answers yes here.

From what I've heard about the draft I feel pretty good that at least two of the guys that answer yes to both questions will be there at the top of the second (which is basically a first round pick)...... it would be hard for me to draft a QB at the top of the draft just because "everybody" is talking about three of them.
I don't agree, I think they finished their in-house evaluation of current players a month or more ago. Normally, the draft would be just around the corner, so I think the Texans are probably done with most if not all their evaluation. They are probably putting together some situational strategies in case specific things happen at this point.
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