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Old 03-16-2014   #1
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HOUSTON (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans and Oakland Raiders have been in serious talks about a trade involving Matt Schaub heading to Oakland, a source has told SportsRadio 610.

SportsRadio 610 learned that the Texans are trying to make the deal and eventually want a quarterback that can step in an play right away in 2014, whether that is in the draft or in a trade.

The Texans are looking to ship out Matt Schaub and his $10.5 million in salary cap cost to the Raiders, who have $59.9 million in cap space, and free up more cap room for their own ability to grab someone else in free agency or via trade.
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I guess it's still where QB's careers go to die.

In all seriousness if this happens I wish him the best. I'd be interested to see what the Raiders will give in return.
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We'll probably get a 2024 conditional 8th round pick for Schaub.
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Default Re: Report: Texans and Raiders in Serious Trade Talk for Matt Schaub

I'd settle for a straight-up swap of matt schaub for mark davis's hair stylist.
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I'd be interested to see what the Raiders will give in return.
would the raiders taking schaub mean that the guaranteed money will be put on theirs cap? freeing us from taking a 10M dead money hit?

If that was the case I would even consider giving him to them for free.

but I don't understand the whole guaranteed money/cap thing very well

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I was under the assumption that trading him would be exactly like cutting him as it pertains to our cap. So instead of his approx 14m cap number we would have approx 10m dead money toward him with a net savings of around 4m.
read this just now, so I guess it was the article in the OP to mislead me...

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Our 1.1 for Oaklands 1.5 & 2.5 ? I would love that deal !
But if a deal included trading Schaub, I'm still unsure about the non-guaranteed portion of Schaub's contract ? So let's say Oakland or whoever our trading partner might be assumes the balance of Schaub's contract, does that mean we would have no obligation for his remaining compensation on the contract beyond what portion of it is the unamortized guaranteed balance which of course does go agasnt our cap ?
Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.
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Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.
As long as he's not on the active roster when the season starts, I don't give a **** what we do with him. They can throw him and his uniforms and crap in a dumpster as far as I'm concerned.
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Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.
But isn't the problem with expecting a restructure/extension is it would mean an agreement to the new terms by BOTH Oakland and Schaub ?
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Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.
No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.
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No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.
I thought someone mentioned if he's traded to Oakland, they wouldn't necessarily want him to restructure. They said Oakland needs to add to their cap hit, to meet the minimum (though I thought it was a 3 year avg & not anything to worry about this year).

If so, it would make sense.

There are also those here that advocate for the pay as you go contracts. This would be just that. They aren't bound to Matt Schaub in any way. If they bring him in & he gets beat out by Matt McGloin, they can cut him before the season starts & not owe him anything, not have to show it on their cap... he'd never get a silver & black paycheck.
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But isn't the problem with expecting a restructure/extension is it would mean an agreement to the new terms by BOTH Oakland and Schaub ?
Sure but it's really easy honestly. Remember that they are looking to do the opposite if what most teams - they need to spend more not less. Since they have to eat up cap space, they could front load the contract and give Schaub a bonus too. Even if Schaub doesn't wasn't to do anything, he's under contract for a lot if money. He'd be dumb to not take what he's owed on it.
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No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.
If he gets traded, he won't be getting released. He can't negotiate except with the team he's traded too.
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If he gets traded, he won't be getting released. He can't negotiate except with the team he's traded too.
Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.
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Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.
First, as explained, Oakland wouldn't have to renegotiate. But more importantly, as explained by the Oakland beat writer in his tweets, they could sweeten the deal to entice him to renegotiate, by including a signing bonus.
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First, as explained, Oakland wouldn't have to renegotiate. But more importantly, as explained by the Oakland beat writer in his tweets, they could sweeten the deal to entice him to renegotiate, by including a signing bonus.
Every now & then, it's ok to say, "I don't know."
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Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.
To make more maybe? Oakland needs to spend - not save. Give Schaub a 10 - 12 million bonus and lots of incentives in the new contract. Why wouldn't he do it?
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To make more maybe? Oakland needs to spend - not save. Give Schaub a 10 - 12 million bonus and lots of incentives in the new contract. Why wouldn't he do it?
Yes, I agree. Schaub would agree to a renegotiated contract that would pay him more $$$. A new contract that would pay him less is what I would question.
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With all the previous comments and discussion, it never even entered my mind that "renegotiation" could be interpreted as meaning "renegotiate for less money".
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