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Old 02-16-2014   #1
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Anyone besides me wanna see a good competition between Myers and Jones for the Center job this TC, last thing we need is a repeat of Myers getting manhandled by opposing defenses
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Anyone besides me wanna see a good competition between Myers and Jones for the Center job this TC, last thing we need is a repeat of Myers getting manhandled by opposing defenses
You need to check the calibration on your time machine. i think you are a few years off.
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lol maybe A few clicks too far over


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I want to see how Jones works out at OG. The fact that he can fill in for Myers if something should happen is gravy. Better this way than to have Myers trying to play guard.
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I want to see how Jones works out at OG. The fact that he can fill in for Myers if something should happen is gravy. Better this way than to have Myers trying to play guard.
I just have this feeling that OB is going to want a heavier center. Meyers not only gives up 20 pounds to Jones, but he gives up about the same to many of the D's he faces.
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I just have this feeling that OB is going to want a heavier center. Meyers not only gives up 20 pounds to Jones, but he gives up about the same to many of the D's he faces.
You don't have to be big to be an awesome center. Consider Mike Webster who used to play for Pittsburgh.
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The problem with this statement is the belief that OB doesn't use a ZBS.

He does.
But not exclusively, let us hope.
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I think Quessenberry and brooks can handle the OG spots personally


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I think Quessenberry and brooks can handle the OG spots personally

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Maybe... but can Ben Jones call the blocking assignment signals as well as Myers?
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Maybe... but can Ben Jones call the blocking assignment signals as well as Myers?

Worth a try. I fear Myers will be manhandled by not playing ZBS, I believe he was a product of that system


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Worth a try. I fear Myers will be manhandled by not playing ZBS, I believe he was a product of that system


Your man... Pots and pans
Vince Wilfork.

Kris Jenkins.


You're a fool if you don't double team those two regardless who your center is. When no named nobodies start jacking up Myers, let me know.


At the same time, we spent a third round pick on Ben Jones. Shame we can't find a place on the field for him.
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Default Re: Center Battle

It's strange that we're talking about replacing the center when that was not a failure point last season and LG was.

Also, please cite the last time Myers was manhandled. If you're talking about that Jets game five years ago, that's just silly.
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I was one of those guys that scolded Chris Meyers after the viral video of Kris Jenkins of the Jests whoopin', abusing his arse.... That said, I retracted my opinion about Meyers. He played very well.... The thing was, or the question asked should be was he good because of Kubiak's system???

Also it should be noted that Meyers is 34 years old.... Maybe it is time to move to Jones.
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Worth a try. I fear Myers will be manhandled by not playing ZBS, I believe he was a product of that system
The problem with this statement is the belief that OB doesn't use a ZBS.

He does.

I expect Myers to continue to fit right in.
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The problem with this statement is the belief that OB doesn't use a ZBS.

He does.

I expect Myers to continue to fit right in.
Why does this keep getting brought up? I thought that was settled long ago.

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Default Re: Center Battle

Silly question, surely everyone wants to see a TC battle at every position. Whether that be Chris Myers, Derek Newton, or JJ Watt.

It's one of the key things that Kubiak wasn't capable of instigating, ever.

Amobi Okoye didn't have to compete, the starting job was his no questions, same went for Kareem Jackson (first couple of years), if the resources invested made a battle embarrassing, you didn't get one.

It's something I'm hoping well see a huge change in.

Would you ever have seen Kubiak make a big QB signing in FA and then invite controversy by using a first day pick at the same position, knowing at least one would fail? Of course you wouldn't, but Seattle are World Champs.

It's also one of the reasons why we failed to develop talent on the Oline to replace the likes of Smith, Walter, brisiel etc, if you aren't de facto #1 you don't get the reps to be ready to step in under Kubiak. Caldwell may have fixed the LG spot already had that not been the case, that swing tackle we had for years (forget his name) may have fixed the RT spot 3 years ago but no. Starters were starters.

I think this explains the incredibly poor record we have in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, if your draft status didn't earn you a starting spot, you sure as hell weren't about to threaten an established vets place in the team.
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Silly question, surely everyone wants to see a TC battle at every position. Whether that be Chris Myers, Derek Newton, or JJ Watt.

It's one of the key things that Kubiak wasn't capable of instigating, ever.
There isn't a team in the league that follows that model.

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That is charitably called a stretch. 3rd round QBs no matter what day they fell on have never been considered inviting controversy and the Seahawks thought they were drafting a backup QB. Matt Flynn was brought in to compete with Tarvaris Jackson.

You need an example of someone more talented the Kubiak Texans held back to substantiate your assertion.
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For those that are not aware, Myers had offseason arthroscopic elbow surgery.
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The problem with this statement is the belief that OB doesn't use a ZBS.

He does.

I expect Myers to continue to fit right in.
All zone schemes aren't created equal.

From my understanding this will be more of a power type zone whereas kubiaks was more on the finesse side.

Kubiaks zone was more about getting the defense to move sideways whereas this zone (I think) will be more straight ahead type zone. More inside the tackles zone and less outside stretch type stuff

Not really commenting on Meyers effectiveness...just pointing out that while we are still going to use zone, it'll be different than what we've seen in the past. Less cutback stuff and more hit the hole.

And really I'd say most nfl teams run some variation of zone blocking.
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All zone schemes aren't created equal.

From my understanding this will be more of a power type zone whereas kubiaks was more on the finesse side.
I'll bow to your greater knowledge of the OL but from what I saw, Kubiak started a good deal removed from that pure finesse Gibbs zone, then moved to it when he brought Gibbs in, then when Gibbs left and Dennison came in, they moved back to more of a power oriented zone with a lot of stuff up the middle. And I think you could see that with the drafting of someone like Brooks.

I don't think there's going to be huge departure in what the OL is going to be asked to do from what it was being asked to do.

But... like I said... you know more about OL play than I do.
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