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Old 01-20-2014   #1
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Is the extra point about to go the way of the dinosaur?

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told NFL Network's Rich Eisen on Monday that the league's Competition Committee might eventually abolish the time-tested point after touchdown in favor of a brand-new scoring system.

"The extra point is almost automatic," Goodell said. "I believe we had five missed extra points this year out of 1,200 some odd. So it's a very small fraction of the play, and you want to add excitement with every play.

"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about. It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."
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Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.
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Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.
It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.

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Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.
Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts
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Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts
I don't know about the concept of "longer is more points". I hate the concept of penalizing good defense, even though I recognize a PAT isn't a field goal. That's why I hate the three point shot in basketball. Too often I see a team play lock down defense on an opponent trying to penetrate and get in for a good shot, only to kick it out to some three-point specialist with 5 seconds on the shot clock and drain a three-pointer. The defense gives up one point more than they would have if they didn't play such good interior defense.
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I don't know about the concept of "longer is more points". I hate the concept of penalizing good defense, even though I recognize a PAT isn't a field goal. That's why I hate the three point shot in basketball. Too often I see a team play lock down defense on an opponent trying to penetrate and get in for a good shot, only to kick it out to some three-point specialist with 5 seconds on the shot clock and drain a three-pointer. The defense gives up one point more than they would have if they didn't play such good interior defense.


If your entire defense is collapsing on the paint and leaves someone open for a free look 3 you aren't playing lock down defense. You do understand it's harder to hit 3s in general right? That's why it's worth more points
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It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts
Kinda defeats the purpose of getting the extra yards in certain situations, though.

I think they should just have the automatic extra point or go for 2 choice and/or consider making the goal posts closer together. Probably both. The extra point play is bathroom break time.
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Kinda defeats the purpose of getting the extra yards in certain situations, though.

I think they should just have the automatic extra point or go for 2 choice and/or consider making the goal posts closer together. Probably both. The extra point play is bathroom break time.


How would the optional pat distances for more points defeat getting extra yardage in certain sitautions ?
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How would the optional pat distances for more points defeat getting extra yardage in certain sitautions ?
Oh, sorry. I was thinking of 3 pointers, not PAT.
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It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts
I would also add this to the field goal rule book:

Attempt a field goal and hit the 8" wide upright receive an extra 5 points. You know how hard it is to hit an 8" wide object by kicking a football at it? Much harder than kicking it through that Giant open space between them!
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Ohhhhh Roger! Why don't you worry about how to fix that mess that almost happened in the biggest game of the year last night? For a smart dude he can come off as really dumb sometimes.
Because only one problem can be addressed during the offseason?
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Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts
I like that idea! Introduces some strategic depth into the game while still maintaining ties to the old 'three downs and a cloud of dust' heritage.
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I don't even see how this will hurt kickers (last sentence in article). Taking away that kick doesn't lessen their value at all. It's the 3-pointers that they get all their value from.
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I kinda like the idea.
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Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.
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What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.
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What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.
Have you been watching our kickers? Automatic from 40??...I would suggest ours should be just a little wider...
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What they should do is narrow the uprights. Field goals have become almost automatic, even from well over 40 yards.
86% for all kicks this year, shows how bad 72 percent from Bullock is in modern standards.

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86.5: That was the average field goal success percentage, league-wide, which was actually up 2.6 points from last season. There were only six misses on 242 attempts inside 30 yards, and kickers hit 93 percent of their kicks inside 40 yards. It's not even a challenge anymore. In fact, they hit 67 percent of their field goals from beyond 50 yards. That's a mark that had never been reached on field goals of any length until the 1981 season. A record 99.6 extra points were converted this year.
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Default Re: NFL considering proposal to abolish extra points

Gimme 7 or option for 2/6 is one thing...

Moving kick back is another...

But the option to put the ball up at the 2 yard line would materially change the game. I hope that one is off the table.
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Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.
I like this idea much better. I'd like the thirty-five even better (ie 52 yard FG). Make the extra point a fifty fifty proposition.
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Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.
With teams making the 2-point conversion 50% of the time, I wonder how many would choose that a lot more.

Not a bad idea, though. I do wish they would start trying something. They could try one idea or the other for a year and asses the next offseason, as long as they go with one of the more popular ideas and not something off-the-wall--and I don't think they will anyway.

BTW, I wonder if we'll still have the same kicker next year.
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