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Old 01-19-2014   #1
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A lot has been happening with the hometown team since the last Doppelmock. Kubiak was fired and Philips became the Interim Head coach. Then O' Brien was hired and Phillips along with just about everyone else was fired. A new group of coaches, philosophy, and hope now permeates from Kirby.

It looks like Crennel will be the new DC and he will be bringing his version of the 3-4 which likely looks different from the Phillips 3-4. Munchak has been interviewed for the OL coach and may still take that job, though he looks to be holding out for a HC or OC spot.

With a traditional 3-4 in place, a few changes on the defensive side of the ball are inevitable:

1. Watt moves to the OLB. This may be a controversial move, but it makes the most sense. As an OLB, Watt has the opportunity to freelance as he did as a 3-4 DE in the Wade system. He can take advantage of his speed, power, and athleticism to harass the offense. Plus, think about this: with no running start Watt is hard to handle. Imagine how much tougher it will be for an OL to deal with Watt now that he has a running start!


2. Reed moves into the ILB2 spot next to Cush. This is probably a move that would have happened before, if there were better OLB options. As a ILB, Reed can better play the run, pass, and can provide some additional up the middle pressure when needed. Plus he is an easy pull to the sidelines in nickle coverage.

3. Antonio Smith is not resigned. Smith has a lot of talent and still some ability. But paying him that much to be a traditional 3-4 run plugger and occasional pass rusher is not a good use of cap space. Nor will he want that job, quite honestly.

And now, on with the mock!

1. Teddy Bridgewater, QB Louisville, 6'3, 208lbs, 4.62
A lot of people are going to like the pick, a lot of people are going to hate the pick. I think the #1 pick is likely coming down to between Bortles and Bridgewater. I do not think Manziel will be the choice. Recall what O'Brien said about Brady "“I’d be getting texts, calls from Tom on Wednesday night about the third-down package,’’ O’Brien said. “Thursday night I’d be hearing from him 9 o’clock, 10 o’clock about red-zone plays. Obviously, he’s talented, but Tom never stopped thinking about football. When you coach Tom Brady, you’re not coaching with him; you’re a partner in the offense with him. That’s the ideal for a quarterback—someone who cares about it as much as you do.” From what that tells me, he is looking for a guy who is completely devoted to football. A man who eats, drinks, and sleeps football. What was the first thing Manziel did after declaring: he hired a marketing team. Those are not the actions of a man who eats, drinks, and sleeps football. Manziel is interested in his brand and promoting it. Good for him, I wish him all the luck in the world in that regard. But, that does not seem to be the thing that O'Brien would like and does not seem to fit his ideal. Why do I choose Teddy Bridgewater over Bortles? It is partly becuase he has had 2 straight years where he was arguably the best QB in all of college football.
If he had been eligible for the draft last year, he would have been the first QB taken. Shoot, he likely would have been a top 5 if not overall top pick in the entire draft. I also partly chose Bridgewater becuase of the way he dealt with pressure and expectations. He could have folded or taken games off, but he played even better than was expected. I partly took him becuase he has a good arm, good vision, athleticism. I partly took him becuase he is a tremendously hard worker. He could have slouched off and coasted this year, but he didn't. He worked hard in the summer and he was even better this year than last. But the main reason I took him was the way he approached the game. He had the trust in his OC to call/change/completely audible plays at the LOS. This is a RARE talent in a college QB. Most college Quarterbacks today play a very simple 1 or 2 read option system. They typically don't know how to read defenses and as a result run whatever play the coach calls for them. The reason QBs like Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rogers are elite is becuase they can read and react. They read the defense and then call the play that has the best chance against the D. Having a QB who has done that for 2 years at the college level is extremely rare and would help him on the road towards very good to elite QB.

2. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame, 6'4, 304lbs, 5.40
When you make a large investment in a franchise QB prospect, you must find a way to protect him. Newton has been an unmitigated disaster at RT. He has difficulty with pass blocking and run blocking. In contrast, Martin has been a fantastic protector of his QB on the right side at Notre Dame. While he is a little on the smaller side at the moment, he has excellent technique and great strength. His frame can easily support another 10 pounds of muscle without losing athleticism. There are several good RTs that can be had here, so why do i specifically choose Martin? He has had a great season, but in a big game against Stanford he shined. He was tasked with taking on the 6'6 261lb passrushing phenom Trent Murphy. Murphy is a special talent who should go in the first round becuase of his mix of power and speed. A case can be made that Murphy was the best passrusher all year. Martin was able to handle him 1 on 1 and give his QB a chance. If Martin can stop Murphy right now, imagine how good he will be after spending some time with the OL coaches refining technique and getting into a NFL nutritional program.

3. DaQuan Jones, DE, Penn State, 6'3, 315lbs, 5.25
One of the big differences between the Wade 3-4 and a more traditional 3-4 is the role of the DE. In a traditional 3-4. the DEs are cloggers and run stoppers who occupy. Seeing that he may not have any players like this on his team, O'Brien goes and gets a guy he knows who he can trust: his own star DT DaQuan Jones. As a DE, Jones will be big and strong enough to deal with the OL in running and passing situations. In addition, he also provides pass rushing skills. Has the versatility to kick inside to DT in a 4-3 if a flexible front defense is desired,.

4. Henry Anderson, DE Stanford, 6'6, 282lbs, 4.90
I know that I just took a DE, but Henry Anderson is just too good to pass up here. He is a strong run defender with long arms and good size. He is a mauler and gets rough and physical (but not dirty) and would help to reduce the image that the Texans are a soft team. Prior to his torn pectoral this year, he had 19 tackles, 7.5 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks and 1 forced fumble. In 2012 he had 49 tackles, 14.5 tackles for a loss, 7.5 sacks, 5 passes batted and a 1 forced fumble. He has the size, speed, and meanness to play as a 3-4 DE and would be an amazing bookend to Jones.

5. Ben Gardner, OLB, Stanford, 6'4, 275lbs, 4.87
I really like Ben Gardner. Yes, he suffered a torn PCL, but that is why he lasts. He will probably not be able to workout at the combine or his proday, but should be more than ready for the start of OTAs. While a lot of people focused on super disruptive teammate Trent Murphy, Gardner was quietly having a very good season. He had 9 tackles, 7.5 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks and 1 forced fumble prior to injury this year. In 2012, he had 49 tackles, 14.5 tackles for a loss, 7.5 sacks, 5 passes batted and a forced fumble. In 2011 he had 35 tackles, 10 tackles for a loss and 4.5 sacks. Based on these numbers and extrapolation, he likely would have had double digit sacks, double digit tackles for loss, and 3-4 batted passes. In the 3-4 system, he would play as an OLB opposite Watt. The nice thing about having Gardner, Watt, Cush, Reed, Jones, and Anderson on the field all at once is that these are now 6 guys who can provide pressure and may be going after the QB. It allows Romeo to scheme and develop confusing schemes for opposing defenses. He could shift into a DE slot in a 4-3 allowing him to also be scheme flexible.

Based on FA losses, I am projecting a 5th round Compensatory pick for the Texans.
5. Beau Allen, NT, Wisconsin, 6'3 325lbs, 5.39
One thing a lot of us have constantly complained about is the last of a true NT for the 3-4. A traditional 3-4 has GOT to have a big boy NT/NG who can occupy OL and gobble up the run. I would choose Allen to occupy that role. At Wisconsin his specialty was run defense.He in essence played the run and helped anchor a stout DL. As a NT he would take on 2 blockers and help keep the LBs clean. He does not offer much of a pass rush, but would be perfect in the role of run stuffing NG. Like others selected, Allen also is a scheme versatile player who could play in multiple fronts. In a 4-3, he would play as a DT next to Watt.

6. Raijun Neal, RB, Tennessee, 5'11, 212lbs, 4.60
Foster will be coming off back surgery, Tate is likely gone, and Johnson is now on IR. Yikes. Neal has been a good back at Tennessee and would be a great back for the new Texans offense. He is a big power back with some quickness. He had 5.2 yards per carry for 1,124 yards and 12 touchdows. He had 27 receptions for 108 yards. H ran for 741 yards last year with a 4.5 yards per carry total along with with 5 touchdowns. He also caught 19 passes for 149 yards and 4 touchdowns last year. He immediately fights with Dennis Johnson over the backup RB spot to Foster. Can also help on ST.

7. Jaxon Shipley, WR, Texas 6'1, 192lbs , 4.51.
There is something special with his guy. He has a little bit of a Wes Welker to him...and not just because he is white. Just like Welker, he is a guy whose QB has looked for when needing those tough catches over the middle to extend the chains. What really sold me on Shipley though is his innate ability to know where the yardage markers were. Whereas so many Texans wrs run 5 yards on a 3rd and 7 play, Shipley runs 8.5-9 yards. Clearly Shipley wouldn't be the first or second option, but I think he could become a very good slot receiver. Martin has been very average at best and has dropped some very catchable balls. Shipley could also contribute as a special teamer as a returner or stopper.


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I don't want to rip you too hard because you obviously put a lot of work into this. I like the players that you chose, but your premise for choosing them seems terrible. Moving Watt to OLB is a horrible idea, IMO. He's our best run defender and now we're taking him off the line of scrimmage. He's a great athlete and I understand why you want him to move to a spot where he is more of a pass rusher but I think it is a very bad idea.

I love the first two picks. I think we have to go QB at #1 if we find a guy we like. Bridgewater is my favorite. I think Martin is an OG at the next level but he's still likely the best player on the board at this point.

I'm not big on Jones or Allen. I don't think either is special at all. I like the two Stanford guys but the way you have things set up has us starting three rookies on our d line in a 34 defense. That would be an unmitigated disaster.

I like Neal in the 6th. Shipley is a junior and did not enter the draft.
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I don't want to rip you too hard because you obviously put a lot of work into this. I like the players that you chose, but your premise for choosing them seems terrible. Moving Watt to OLB is a horrible idea, IMO. He's our best run defender and now we're taking him off the line of scrimmage. He's a great athlete and I understand why you want him to move to a spot where he is more of a pass rusher but I think it is a very bad idea.

I love the first two picks. I think we have to go QB at #1 if we find a guy we like. Bridgewater is my favorite. I think Martin is an OG at the next level but he's still likely the best player on the board at this point.

I'm not big on Jones or Allen. I don't think either is special at all. I like the two Stanford guys but the way you have things set up has us starting three rookies on our d line in a 34 defense. That would be an unmitigated disaster.

I like Neal in the 6th. Shipley is a junior and did not enter the draft.
I figured I would take heat for moving Watt, but his talent would be massively wasted in a traditional 3-4 DE role. Do we really want to ask someone as immensely talent end as Watt to tie up 2 OL, occasionally apply some QB pressure, and focus on ru stopping? Watt is like a Ferrari...you don't drive him to the library and church on Sunday, you get him out on the freeway and put him through his paces.

Allen is a run stopping NT and Jones has the capacity to play as a 3-4 DE. I imagine Crick and possibly Mitchell will get a shots at DE, but the Texans will likely dip into FA as well. Could all three rooks play immediately: I don't know. Again, all they are being asked to do would be occupy and slow down, so it's possible.

Thanks for my mistake on Shipley. I used an outdated source,
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Main issue with moving Watt is that it may be better for him individually, but it wouldn't be best for the team.
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Main issue with moving Watt is that it may be better for him individually, but it wouldn't be best for the team.
Also from a financial pov. He does t make sense to make a guy the highest paid defensive player in the league and ask him to be a Traditional 3-4 DE.

I think watt would be a hybrid OLB/DE who freelances near the line based on what he sees.
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Main issue with moving Watt is that it may be better for him individually, but it wouldn't be best for the team.
Please explains this.
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It would put him in a better position to rush the passer and inflate his stats. But it would also take him out of the interior, where he is a dominant force against the run, and put him on the edge where he has less opportunity to make an impact on those plays. Plus, if you move him to OLB you have to replace him at DE. In this mock, our starting DL would be three rookies.

I think that Watt is perfectly capable of playing OLB. But he is more valuable as a DE. The difference between him and a replacement at DE would be far bigger than the difference at OLB.

I'm not saying you can't move him around now and then. But he is an excellent interior player and his value there outweighs the potential of getting a few more sacks each year from the edge.
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I figured I would take heat for moving Watt, but his talent would be massively wasted in a traditional 3-4 DE role. Do we really want to ask someone as immensely talent end as Watt to tie up 2 OL, occasionally apply some QB pressure, and focus on ru stopping? Watt is like a Ferrari...you don't drive him to the library and church on Sunday, you get him out on the freeway and put him through his paces.

Allen is a run stopping NT and Jones has the capacity to play as a 3-4 DE. I imagine Crick and possibly Mitchell will get a shots at DE, but the Texans will likely dip into FA as well. Could all three rooks play immediately: I don't know. Again, all they are being asked to do would be occupy and slow down, so it's possible.

Thanks for my mistake on Shipley. I used an outdated source,
Don't you think that perhaps Crennel (if he truly is going to be our DC) with O'Briens influence and the fact that he is so dominant, could come up with a hybrid defense to allow JJ to be JJ? We know what he's run in the past, but he's never had a JJ. Design your defense around JJ and let him and Cushing play ball

Maybe he runs a 4-3. How does what fit in there? Or maybe a 5-2 ?

I'm hoping for unpredictable on both sides of the ball
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After seeing both Kaepernick and Wilson today, I hope we do take Bridgewater. Hopefully he comes as advertised and is able to pick apart defenses with his arm.

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Good thoughts on the draft. I, like many others don't think moving watt makes sense. I'm on board with moving Reed inside though. Few questions after the bridgewater pick, is that ND tackle gonna be rated higher than say kyle fuller,michael sam,or Tiny Richardson? This just me,but I think fuller,sam,richardson are gonna be rated higher.
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Don't you think that perhaps Crennel (if he truly is going to be our DC) with O'Briens influence and the fact that he is so dominant, could come up with a hybrid defense to allow JJ to be JJ? We know what he's run in the past, but he's never had a JJ. Design your defense around JJ and let him and Cushing play ball

Maybe he runs a 4-3. How does what fit in there? Or maybe a 5-2 ?

I'm hoping for unpredictable on both sides of the ball
Maybe he runs all of them like offenses have different sets. Use the one which attacks the weakness of the opponent most frequently. Find the player or players who do not adapt well to changes and exploit them.
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Don't you think that perhaps Crennel (if he truly is going to be our DC) with O'Briens influence and the fact that he is so dominant, could come up with a hybrid defense to allow JJ to be JJ? We know what he's run in the past, but he's never had a JJ. Design your defense around JJ and let him and Cushing play ball

Maybe he runs a 4-3. How does what fit in there? Or maybe a 5-2 ?

I'm hoping for unpredictable on both sides of the ball
According to Seth Payne (Seth Payne ‏@PayneNFL)
"Since '93 Romeo Crennel has been HC, DC, or DL coach for 19 squads. Not a single DE has had double digit sacks."

Thus it makes sense to move Watt to a hybrid OLB/DE role where he can read and react to the play.
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You know I'm a big proponent of the Doppelmock's

like your thinking outside the box.

I would renegotiate a more cap friendly deal with Antonio Smith, he is the most experienced DL Texans have & most durable, we need him.

Also if you move Watt around then you need another rock DE to mold, quickly. Instead of Zach (Fine player, most likely LG) just like nailing QB position (like you did) I want Timmy Jernigan, Florida State. If one of the big inside guys drops you could also take one of them Nix/Hageman. Some options there to address DL w/2nd. Keeping Watt mobile automatically improves Texan pass rush & Watt will be encouraged to resign with Houston.

I know that I just messed up your whole mock, kinda, but now you could select more of a RT candidate to upgrade over Newton (any word on Williams rehab?). Would suggest Morgan Moses but looks like he is moving up draft boards (maybe 2nd rd. pick if you didn't want the change anything else?) But I think Ja'Wuan James would upgrade position & give you what Texans need.

I really like both 4th/5th(s) rd selections. Totally rebuilt defensive front with Watt & Smith as your veteran leaders. Think defensively, other than secondary you killed it.

Totally down with drafting a RB this time, 5th rd. on. I don't know a whole bunch about Raijun Neal. I would like to see more production, better receiving numbers & know he could pass protect. If he was just underutilized & has better than average hands then yeah!

This is a great WR class, maybe someone earlier too good to pass on? Really like TE here just like last year when Texans hit on Griffin. TIJ has a good selection
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7. Jordan Najvar TE Baylor 6'6" 262
East/West Game gives our coaching staff a close view of this sleeper. Originally a Stanford TE recruit, his time at Baylor didn't quite show off his potential, thus we get him as a bargain at the end of the draft.
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All mock draft experts on TT, this guy is my banker's son, so I started following him last year. Baylor throws to WR a lot so Najvar does not have big reception numbers. He can catch when he's utilized though. He's an unbelievable blocker with great TE size 6'6" 265 lbs, think he ran 4.78 40 at some point. With his blocking skills, and the training he will undergo pre-combine, if he runs great routes and his measurables are great, do you see him being drafted?
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According to Seth Payne (Seth Payne ‏@PayneNFL)
"Since '93 Romeo Crennel has been HC, DC, or DL coach for 19 squads. Not a single DE has had double digit sacks."

Thus it makes sense to move Watt to a hybrid OLB/DE role where he can read and react to the play.
I'm with you on moving JJ. I've been thinking about this all week. He has every attribute necessary to be successful as an outside linebacker in a 34. Don't see how people thought Mario Williams could do it. But don't think JJ Watt could.

I would try and resign Smith to a reasonable contract. Draft at least two more DL.
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